Seriously, folks

Trading barbs through media won't solve fiscal cliff crisis

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Seems strange for a newspaper to suggest, but we wish our leaders in Washington would stop negotiating the “fiscal cliff” solution through the media.

Since the election, President Obama or his surrogates have thrown out wholly untenable proposals – including an unconstitutional handing over of budgeting from the Congress to the executive branch. The Supreme Court has said that can’t even be done with a line-item veto – yet the White House has suggested giving the executive branch the power to unilaterally raise the nation’s debt ceiling.

Nor did the president propose real spending cuts – after repeatedly touting a “balanced” approach to deficit reduction during the campaign.

Then, instead of working over the numbers with Republicans, the president went on a campaign-style swing to blast the Republicans and rally supporters.

That’s not how serious negotiations are done.

Sadly, even liberal-leaning CNN commentator David Gergen is confounded by the combative negotiating tactics Democrats have employed in recent weeks.

“I have to tell you,” he told CNN’s John King recently, “over the last two years I think it was the Republicans who showed an arrogance, a resistance to ... a reasonable compromise. But since this election, I think the Democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate the Republicans.

“And that’s not going to get to a bargain. It has to be a win-win.

“There are creative solutions to this, but it does take both parties.

“You hear among some Democrats right now, and it’s disturbing, that, ‘Maybe we just ought to take (the country) over the cliff. We’ll score political points against the Republicans and we’ll force their hands in the new year ...”

Indeed, the Associated Press wrote this week that “Administration officials also hardened their insistence that Obama is willing to take the nation over the cliff ...”

The “fiscal cliff” refers to an end-of-the-year series of tax increases on all earners as well as hundreds of billions in blunt and thoughtless cuts to defense and domestic spending.

Democrats appear tempted to try to use the fiscal cliff for political advantage. And they seem to be in the catbird seat. If Republicans go along with everything they want, great. If not, nothing gets done and the fiscal cliff comes and taxes go up on everybody and they blame Republicans. Polls show the public will agree that Republicans are to blame.

In turn, we’re not sure what the Republicans are waiting for. It seems clear they will be forced to agree to tax increases on the wealthy in order to preserve the current middle class tax rates. They don’t have much time to use that concession as leverage to extract real and meaningful spending cuts from their Democratic colleagues.

As Mr. Gergen aptly notes, a solution will take both parties.

Right now, though, Democrats seem intent on making Republicans look bad – and Republicans appear intent on helping them.

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justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 09:39 am
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T-Party

Just for a second, forget the Republican budget proposal. Are you satisfied that Obama's plan is sound? Do you think he can balance the deficit and reduce the debt based on his proposal?

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dahreese 12/06/12 - 09:59 am
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Humble Angela
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"Many have made this point about many of your posts, asking you to present facts to back them up and been answered with silence."

Ho hummmmmmm.

dahreese
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dahreese 12/06/12 - 10:03 am
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@T--Party; "Just for a
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@T--Party; "Just for a second, forget the Republican budget proposal. Are you satisfied that Obama's plan is sound? Do you think he can balance the deficit and reduce the debt based on his proposal?"

Neither party is really for the voter except at voting time.

And Republicans have made it clear their intention to protect the wealthy.

There does, however, seem to be a little bit of mercy from time to time for average Americans when it comes to the Democrats.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 12/06/12 - 10:22 am
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One point....there is no

One point....there is no purpose for the Republicans to absolutely detail every dollar of cuts until Obama agrees to the general concept of a "balanced approach".

"What we need is a solution that includes both".

$1.6 tillion in tax increases, another $50 billion in stimulus, no immediate spending cuts, and sole power to increase the debt limit DOES NOT "include both".

"I will cut the deficit in half in my first term".

Should have said "I will triple the nation's outstanding debt in two terms".

Republicans should not fear the bad publicity of standing their ground. They are going to be ridiculed no matter what they do so they should do what we sent them there to do....stand their ground and get spending reductions.

Republicans got about the same percentage of the vote as the percentage of people who are paying for everything so they should stand their ground and represent us. They can negotiate on revenue all they want but NOT until Obama brings real, and immediate, spending cuts to the table and drops his ridiculous demand for dictator power on the debt limit. The republicans have brought REAL revenue to the table and REAL spending cuts to the table.....where are the Democrat obstructionists?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 12/06/12 - 10:49 am
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I suppose if we use Techfan's
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I suppose if we use Techfan's logic that if Gergen was once conservative that he must always be conservative, that would mean that Senator Byrd was a racist klansman until they day he died.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 12/06/12 - 10:52 am
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It is ironic, and quite
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It is ironic, and quite telling, that the very same person who said "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" is NOW trying to get the soul authority to do just that.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 10:55 am
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dahreese

You referred my post, yet your response had nothing to do with the question to T-Party. Why?

Young Fred
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Young Fred 12/06/12 - 10:56 am
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I agree with you Dichotomy.

I agree with you Dichotomy. Apparently a large portion of our electorate has no concept of deficit spending and debt repayment. Thinking money magically appears from Obama fairy dust or some such.

Only a portion of the Republican Party seems willing to stand up for fiscal sanity, and that portion is labeled as extreme (to put it mildly) by both parties.

On the other hand, the very people who insist on engorging government and growing the debt are featured across prime-time news, giving their “learned opinion” as to why those wascally extweem wepublicans insist on “blocking progress”.

I SWEAR – this is all a dream taking place in bizzaro world. I’ll wake up tomorrow and be able to, with a straight face, tell my granddaughter that we have been responsible stewards of her future.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 11:34 am
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Luckily

Obama had Rev Al and Rachel Madcow in the WH yesterday to give him some strewd advice on taxing policy.

loblolly
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loblolly 12/06/12 - 12:11 pm
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It absolutely
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kills these bloggers that Obama is leading this country out of the greatest economic recession since the great depression. Riverman is digging his hole right now so the sky does not fall on his head and cause some common sense to seep through. Increasing revenue and cutting entitlements is the sensible way to progress, and it takes a strong leader like our President to stand down the corporate welfare bunch.

loblolly
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loblolly 12/06/12 - 12:15 pm
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Jim DeMint
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Has now left the Senate to head the Heritage Foundation where more conspiracies can be created and filtered down to the right-wing followers of dystopian America. Why does the right-wing hate America so much?

OJP
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OJP 12/06/12 - 01:20 pm
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The debt limit issue is overblown.

The entire concept of a debt limit is nonsensical. It's largely impotent and probably unconstitutional.

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Riverman1 12/06/12 - 02:01 pm
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JTF said, "Obama had Rev Al

JTF said, "Obama had Rev Al and Rachel Madcow in the WH yesterday to give him some strewd advice on taxing policy."

I feel so much better now. Maybe they told him to double the minimum wage while they were at it.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/06/12 - 02:01 pm
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the constitution clearly

the constitution clearly states that congress has the sole authority to borrow money. therefore one would believe it can set boundaries on borrowing that cannot be broken without its consent. it maybe the only way to save the republic...but then what does law and the constitution mean to obumler and reid...

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 12/06/12 - 02:03 pm
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perhaps the lefties would

perhaps the lefties would feel better if we just gave obumler a brand new credit card to max out...

allhans
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allhans 12/06/12 - 02:05 pm
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From news reports

From news reports 11/6/2012:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., blocked a vote on President Obama’s proposal, articulated last week by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, saying that “there is no Geithner proposal.”

“If the President’s proposal was made in good faith, Democrats should be eager to vote for it,” McConnell said today. “So I’m surprised the Majority Leader just declined the chance for them to support it with their votes. I guess we’re left to conclude that it couldn’t even pass by a bare majority of votes, and that they’d rather take the country off the cliff than actually work out a good-faith agreement that reflects tough choices on both sides.”

Earlier this year, Republicans and Democrats in the Senate voted down Obama’s budget proposal by a vote of 99-0. McConnell proposed the vote both as an amendment to the Russia Trade Bill and as a stand-alone item. Reid objected to both.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 02:14 pm
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Election must be over

Unemployment is back to 8.3%. 6.5% for whites and a whopping 12.5% for blacks. Yeah but......

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 02:18 pm
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Scarily

"The entire concept of a debt limit is nonsensical. It's largely impotent and probably unconstitutional." Sounds like something my wife would say!!

allhans
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allhans 12/06/12 - 03:32 pm
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These folks are playing games

These folks are playing games with OUR future. I know Obama won by 3 million votes, but good gracious. He is acting like a child throwing a tantrum.......
If we can wait it out and elect a LEADER next time who will actually speak to those he considers "beneath him", we might survive this mess and with some semblance of freedom.

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rmwhitley 12/06/12 - 03:41 pm
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obama
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isn't concerned by the "fiscal cliff" because it will never have an effect on him financially or politically. You can NEVER trust the left. Just as the "Cold War" which is the plan the democrats propose.

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ultrarnr 12/06/12 - 04:22 pm
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Little bit of Polling for your entertainment
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Obama’s approval rating is up to 53 percent, while Democrats in Congress have a 37 percent approval rating. The latter number might not seem good, but it is compared to the GOP’s anemic 23 percent approval rating. Republicans in Congress don’t even get the approval of a majority of their own party, with 47 percent of Republicans approving of the congressional GOP and 43 percent disapproving.
A few other numbers: While 56 percent think Obama and the Democrats will make a good faith effort on the fiscal cliff, just 43 percent think Republicans will, and matched up against one another, people trust Obama and the Democrats over the Republicans by a 53 percent to 36 percent margin. And the WaPo-ABC poll showed twice as many people would blame the GOP as blame Democrats if the fiscal cliff is breached.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 12/06/12 - 04:40 pm
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Same Poll

"According to a new Quinnipiac poll, 70 percent of Americans oppose cuts to Medicaid and 51 percent oppose raising the Medicare eligibility age" Of course Obama and dims score higher in polls. Everybody loves Santa Claus. It's why they won the election. It's all a bunch of lies.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 12/06/12 - 05:28 pm
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Lies
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Lies just like all the polls that predicted a Romney victory. Guess if reality goes against your beliefs you just pull a Carl Rove.

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Pal 12/06/12 - 05:41 pm
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Polls

What goes up must come down. Get back to us in a year or even six months. You'll likely be seeing something different, and you must know that, ultrarnr. 8.3% unemployment----now there's a "poll' for you!

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 12/06/12 - 05:49 pm
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This is Priceless
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Republicans hit a new low today. Mitch McConnell filibustered his own proposal on a vote on the debt ceiling. Way to become a laughing stock.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 12/06/12 - 06:05 pm
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Fiscal Cliff
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Everyone knows the Republicans are going to fold — the Republicans know they are going to fold — and the only question to be resolved is when and on what terms. They have zero leverage. It’s not only that they lost the election; they continue to decline in national polls, with the latest Pew survey showing that 53 percent of Americans will blame the GOP (and only 27 percent will blame President Obama) if there’s no deal by January. The party has no national leader still standing except John Boehner, who can’t even command the loyalty of his own caucus in the House.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 12/06/12 - 07:41 pm
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Poll?

"A few other numbers: While 56 percent think Obama and the Democrats will make a good faith effort on the fiscal cliff, just 43 percent think Republicans will"

Where was that poll taken, downtown Detroit???

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KSL 12/06/12 - 11:27 pm
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We voted for you. No we you

We voted for you. No we you owe us!

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