Basest instinct

Shouldn't society fight to overcome rampant vulgar behavior?

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Have people simply become more crude, lewd and vulgar? Or does a more omnipresent media just do a better job of telling the sordid stories?

Yet again we, and our children, are being treated to days and days of salacious reports of the affairs of the powerful.

It’s difficult to comprehend how leaders who appear so upright and functional as Gen. David Petraeus can be so foolish as to liquidate their own careers and lofty reputations by having sleazy affairs. Or how they have the time! Gen. John Allen, the top commander in Afghanistan, is being investigated for some 20,000 to 30,000 pages of emails with Petraeus’ Tampa, Fla., socialite friend Jill Kelley.

This past week, we learned that a former Georgia State Patrol helicopter pilot based in Thomson had admitted carrying on a tawdry affair at the state hangar. Photographs allegedly depict the man and a woman inside the hangar, and even inside the helicopter.

Recall, too, that a couple was arrested last June after allegedly being caught having sex inside a Columbia County movie theater.

Are people becoming more brazen? If so, why?

One top relationship psychologist interviewed by website The Daily Caller blames the neurotransmitter called dopamine, which is associated with pleasure and risk-taking. “If it feels good, dopamine neurons are probably involved!” says another website.

Maybe it should be spelled “dope-amine.”

Heaven help us, though, if we’re nothing more than helpless creatures at the mercy of chemicals.

You can’t help wondering whether news and entertainment media have only encouraged such behaviors. Both of them bombard us with fictional and actual images and tales of coarse and loutish behavior.

Hollywood tends to romanticize them. But even real life can often fail to put them in a proper context. Bill Clinton’s escapades with a young White House intern, and his tacky trail of womanizing that led him to commit perjury, seem to mean nothing today. He was the star at the Democratic National Convention this year. And disgraced and fallen former New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who was found to be patronizing high-priced hookers, was rewarded with his own national talk show.

And just turn on daytime television to see how boorish American society is becoming.

We are, with any grace, called to be more than our basest instincts.

Historically, human nature has been blamed for such things. But can mankind be defined by inclinations we share with animals? Or is human nature something more than that?

For our part, we reject notions that such behaviors are the inevitable result of either chemicals or nature. Mankind is imbued with free will and levels of thinking our barnyard friends are denied.

Uncouth behavior will ever be with us. The question is, what will society do about it?

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specsta
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specsta 11/23/12 - 03:30 am
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Puritan Nation

The common denominator in the incidents ACES listed is "sexual behavior". Most folks in other countries would yawn at salacious media accounts of affairs and such. The problem is that America is a prudish nation where violence is accepted and encouraged, while sex is something dirty and unmentionable.

Maybe it's just time to grow up and understand that the need for sex is no different than the human need for water, food, shelter and clothing. It is a basic human need that should not have negative connotations because some super "moral" Puritans think that it should not be discussed or mentioned.

People have been having affairs, going to prostitutes, having secret lovers, risky sex, etc. since the beginning of mankind. It is not something new. There are cultures in the world who do not wear a lick of clothing and they see absolutely nothing wrong the naked body. They have not been exposed to the moral police. In America, a person can be locked up, convicted, and labeled a sex offender for public nudity. Why? Nudity is not a big issue in many societies. There are parents who would rather that their children see a movie with gunfights and killing than to see the fully nude form in an art gallery.

America's Puritanical roots have skewed common reasoning. Sex matters should not be a big deal - but it is. Violence should be a big deal - but it isn't.

As long as there are prudes, such as the ones who populate the Chronicle editorial board, and as long as there are moral crusaders who think that sex is something that is "wrong", there will continue to be a general lack of understanding about human sexual behavior.

Here in the 21st century, there are still individuals walking around in this country who barely have a clue about sex, because they have never been taught specific, detailed information about it. Or they have been shamed to not talk about it or to seek information about it. Hence, our society has ongoing ignorance about pregnancy, STDs, contraception choices, techniques for couples to have a satisfying sex life, etc.

The righteous prudes have derailed common sense about sexual behavior, and we continue to let them get away with it. There are probably more people who can name different handgun brands than who can properly name and identify what comprises human sexual anatomy and its function. And that, is a shame.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 11/23/12 - 04:10 am
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Specsta falls into that all

Specsta falls into that all to common narrative that the “engineered” would have you believe.

“America freaks on sex but is OK with gratuitous violence”, which is contrary to “many societies” (as he/she would put it).

He/she says: “The common denominator in the incidents ACES listed is "sexual behavior". Most folks in other countries would yawn at salacious media accounts of affairs and such. The problem is that America is a prudish nation where violence is accepted and encouraged, while sex is something dirty and unmentionable.”

Nope, untrue, they (other countries) don't “yawn” they follow with great interest the sexual escapades of the “rich and famous”. England, Brazil, France, etc. I could go on and on. Oh, by the way, all of the above mentioned countries watch with baited eyes the newest movies and TV show, showing death, destruction, and mayhem.

Speca then goes onto talk about cultures “that have no problem with the naked body”. Well, some cultures don't have problems with trading 7 goats and a camel for their daughter either. And I'd dare say that most Americans don't have a problem with a “naked body” in the proper context, your “art gallery versus gratouitous violence” example is without proof or merit. You are simply reacting to “news” stories that some believe to be “newsworthy”.

Speca then says: “Here in the 21st century, there are still individuals walking around in this country who barely have a clue about sex”.
OK Spec, you're really starting to stretch the boundaries of reason. Seems how more children are subjected to more hours of “media” than any other generation in the history of mankind.
“Prudes” seem to be your common denominator, to bad reality doesn't fit your narrative.

Some of us have a problem with all the “in your face sex and violence”. Not because, know listen closely, not because we don't think it doesn't happen, or not because we don't think humans want it, but because by continuously shoving it in our faces, it cheapens society, gives into baser emotions, AND legitimizes the behavior.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 11/23/12 - 05:40 am
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A bad sign

    Recall, too, that a couple was arrested last June after allegedly being caught having sex inside a Columbia County movie theater (editorial).

Wasn't the arrested man something like a youth pastor? Our society is definitely going down hill. People are doing whatever seems right in their eyes, and churchgoers are often dressing and behaving no better than the rest of the world is. This could mean that the God we have expelled from public schools is withdrawing his grace so that more and more people are being given over to degrading passions. Our nation may be sliding past the point of no return.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/23/12 - 08:04 am
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A Famous Affair

Ah, a tawdry affair to some is a powerful and inspiring event to others. There are many historical examples of such illicit liaisons with far reaching consequences, but one that has always interested me is from my hometown of Charleston.

The Waring family was important in Charleston and published the newspaper known as The News and Courier at that time. Julius Waties Waring became a federal judge in 1941 and soon began an affair with a Yankee woman from Detroit he later married. Read about her effect on him and see how they changed American history.

By the way, I think it was impossible for Gen. Allen and Jill Kelley to have exchanged 30,000 emails. I bet they are talking about instant messages.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/23/12 - 06:59 am
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"Basic Instinct" Scene

Oh, I bet the guys remember THAT scene with Sharon Stone from "Basic Instinct."

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 11/23/12 - 07:52 am
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Sorry Fundamental_Arminian

Our nation in all aspects of Morality, Politically, Education and Common Sense HAS past the point of no return.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 11/23/12 - 08:39 am
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What morals?

Over 50% of this country has come to the point where it looks DOWN on people expressing; honor, dignity and morals.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 11/23/12 - 09:11 am
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Oh please just stop it....

Let me name a few names....Jim Jones--Swaggart--FDR--JFK--Clinton--Jefferson--LBJ--Bakker--Petraeus--Many Governors.....on & on & on...
Should we take them out & put them on the stake.....& burn them...ya know like we did with the witch in Salem...or maybe bury them & cast stones til they die....
Ohhh wait a minute...let us take the sex glands out of the body at birth....boy now that would bring this mess to a stop......what...ya mean we wouldn't reproduce any more little taxpayers either.....
Yeh ....people need to control their sexual desires......just like any other human desire .......but I do notice they didn't do such a great job in bibilical days either....
OOOh I'm thinking....don't we have bigger problems right now...??

seenitB4
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seenitB4 11/23/12 - 09:13 am
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Stop it ya hear...

Don't make me turn into a dang liberal..yaheeer..

Jane18
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Jane18 11/23/12 - 09:16 am
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Puritan Nation? Well, some of us try to be......................

Specsta, you never fail to "measure down" in my estimations of your comments. For just a few minutes, please sit and think about the reasons Muslims put down and hate America. It's the immorality of everything concerning our people. Movies, music, television, shameless clothing, language(speaking incorrectly, cursing, etc.), disobedient children, crooked lawyers and judges, lazy-worthless-prideful politicians, many lazy, good-for-nothings living off their Uncle(that's Uncle Sam, if you don't know). And the Muslim folks aren't the only ones that think we have "gone to the dogs", many countries put us down, and guess what, they've still got their clothes on!!

F4therTime
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F4therTime 11/23/12 - 09:34 am
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Your morals and others differ...
Unpublished

That's one thing that makes this a great country. You can't tell me what my morals are as well as I can't tell you what are yours. If you want to dress up in a goat head and prance naked around your living room have at it. If TV programmers want to put it on TV I have a off button and the right to remove my TV from my home if I don't like the programming. Part of a free society is having to deal with things you don't like. I can no more tell you what is good and decent and right for you than you can tell me. One other thing, sex scandals have been here for hundreds of years (Thomas Jefferson, Strom Thurmond...anyone seem to remember all the necking places that were so popular in the 50's and 60's? Surely you aren't saying there was no pre marital sex going on then) the instant media puts it in your face more (no pun intended) but it has been there since the beginning of time. Man still has the same urges he has had since the 1st day he opened his eyes. It's your own individual right how you act on those and whether it's right or moral...as long as it is between consenting adults it's none of my business!!

seenitB4
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seenitB4 11/23/12 - 09:53 am
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The question is....

Are people becoming more brazen? If so, why?

No ...people are the same ..the NEWS MEDIA has gotten more brazen...

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/23/12 - 10:13 am
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F4therTime, you post is

F4therTime, your post is accurate. "man still has the same urges he has had since the 1st day he opened his eyes" I think the problem we are seeing (and this is just my opinion) is that the behavior it is glamorize more today instead of being taboo. If someone cheats on their spouse and is caught or has sex which is viewed inappropriate in location or age, it is glamorized through the media.

It is none of our business but most days it's never just between the two consenting adults......we've all been invited into the knowledge and details whether we like it or not.

F4therTime
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F4therTime 11/23/12 - 10:53 am
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ICL
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I agree with that. I think it's still our right not to buy into the glamorization. What I mean by that is this...our morals are probably pretty close to the same. Yet here we are both commenting on this article and making it more worthy than what it really should be. Same with sex scandals. They are newsworthy because it makes people feel better about themselves and their everyday problems. It's always better when someone can point the finger and say"yeah but look how screwed up they are." Just my opinon....

allhans
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allhans 11/23/12 - 11:02 am
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At the very least, keep it

At the very least, keep it behind closed doors..No flaunting your wares in the street. :)

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/23/12 - 11:15 am
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I see my thumbs down buddy

I see my thumbs down buddy has finally woke up.....since I've stated the same thing other posters have commented on here and I'm the one who received the thumbs down I can only assume that it is out of spite and hatred and not due to the content of the comment. Good morning grouchy!

F4therTime
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F4therTime 11/23/12 - 11:24 am
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Don't feel bad ICL...
Unpublished

I have one of those too...and I think he really loves Augusta and Starbucks...

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/23/12 - 11:26 am
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Whether christian or secular

Whether christian or secular peoples sex lives is just none of our business-that's between you and God or you and your conscience. Since we are all sexual creatures-what hypocrisy to castigate one individual for similar trespasses.

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 11/23/12 - 11:29 am
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SeenitB4

You are one of the very few voices of reason in this crazy town.

palmetto1008
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palmetto1008 11/23/12 - 11:40 am
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Isn't that truth,
Unpublished

Isn't that truth, GiantsAllDay?? But I dont think he/she lives here anymore.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 11/23/12 - 11:47 am
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Thank you both..:)

I was almost thinking of giving up.....BUT some of my bestest friends & love ones are there....I am living in Gwinnett county but my roots came from Augusta Ga......
Many on here are straight thinking folks...just don't want to offend the others....life is short & I'm hoping we can stop judging others so much....
but anyway....I will now start following yall on here.....LOL

seenitB4
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seenitB4 11/23/12 - 11:50 am
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100% female

I'm all woman.....have to get busy now...but thanks a lot.....you made me smile today!!!

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 11/23/12 - 12:21 pm
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No, actually, it's people that are more brazen, not the press

Like politics and elections, the media simply reflects the reality of the people who provide the fodder.

And people really do behave much more horribly than they did even 10 years ago. Our impulses may not be all that different, but the truth is that far few people today see any reason to reject even the most base and debauched things that cross their minds.

After all, why should they? Who is left with any influence to tell today's children and succeeding generations the difference between right and wrong, what's decent and what is destructive? We are morphing into a police state because so many people no longer can choose for themselves to what is best for their families, their communities, even for themselves.

What did we expect would happen when people have to be forced to do what's right because so many believe they are the final authority on what is right, a law unto themselves? The burgeoning level of self-centeredness among Americans at every level of society is destroying us.

Gone are the Americans that lived by the truth "Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." The Boomers still remember them though; the last crop of that kind of American were their parents.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 11/23/12 - 12:10 pm
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Sex is not a "need"; it is a

Sex is not a "need"; it is a natural, instinctive urge to ensure continuation of the species. The difference is that as humans, we have the ability to reason, understand right from wrong, and resist the urge in the wrong circumstances.

grouse
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grouse 11/23/12 - 01:18 pm
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A solution
Unpublished

"Or does a more omnipresent media just do a better job of telling the sordid stories?" "You can’t help wondering whether news and entertainment media have only encouraged such behaviors. Both of them bombard us with fictional and actual images and tales of coarse and loutish behavior." The solution is obvious: The Chronicle must cease publication immediately...

David Parker
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David Parker 11/23/12 - 01:36 pm
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Dancing around my rumpus room

Dancing around my rumpus room wearing nothing but a goat's head. Been down that road

GiantsAllDay
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GiantsAllDay 11/23/12 - 01:45 pm
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SeenitB4

I have moved on as well, but I called Augusta my home for many years. One thing I would ask of you: PLEASE don't ever take down that picture of your cute puppy dog!

allhans
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allhans 11/23/12 - 07:39 pm
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I agree with Fiat. Don't

I agree with Fiat. Don't blame the press for this one.
It's not even... hiding in plain sight.

burninater
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burninater 11/23/12 - 03:04 pm
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Did anyone stop to think that

Did anyone stop to think that maybe the reason why there are more infidelity-related pictures is because now almost every single person has a camera on their phone?

Or did anyone stop to think that maybe we are inundated with these stories precisely because media outlets can't help themselves but trumpet these stories to the sky? Take this extremely salient point to heart my dear ACES: you, not anyone else, were the source for my knowledge of the Thomson helicopter sex. I heard nothing about that, until YOU described it to me this fine Friday morning.

Why are people so eager to point fingers at others when they are just as much to blame?

swcohen
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swcohen 11/23/12 - 03:20 pm
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A simple solution...

...would be to require all holders of public office to first be spayed or neutered. It'd focus the men and calm the women.

Also, only those who TRULY WANT to serve would do so. No more scoundrels, profiteers, or dilettantes... or at least, not nearly as many.

Hey, it's a suggestion... that's all.

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