Let's hold it together

In the wake of a disappointing election, conservatives must work for good of country

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Flags are being flown upside down as a sign of distress. Petitions for secession are circulating the states. Friends are being discarded on Facebook and, perhaps, in person. And in other ways, concerned conservatives are showing their despair in the wake of President Obama’s re-election.

One question for our conservative friends: How are such actions going to make things better?

Fact is, they’ll only alienate our moderate and liberal friends – and perhaps hurt the very country we all love so much.

Speaking as conservatives ourselves, this page can tell you that our liberal friends don’t understand the depth and the root of our angst. Many of them think it’s just sour grapes because “our guy” didn’t win.

That’s not the way conservatives see it at all. We see the country being weakened by failed fiscal policies, bowed by overregulation, and beset by an overbearing philosophy of government that runs entirely counter to American ideals.

We’ve had more than one area conservative tell us they’re sick about the election and can’t watch the news right now. Not because “their guy” didn’t win, but because the country may have lost.

Indeed, increasing numbers of businesses across the country – finally faced with the inevitability of “Obamacare” – are either laying people off or converting full-time employees to part-time to avoid the crushing costs of the health care law.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is tantamount to seeing a loved one dying – while the doctors seem intent on accelerating the end.

Still, let’s hold it together, folks.

Petitions from nearly every state are seeking peaceful secession from the Union. We asked one Augusta conservative what he thought of the burgeon

ing secession movement. “It can’t ‘burgeon’ quick enough,” he quipped, only half-jokingly.

We understand the sentiment – the sight of seeing the Constitution wither before our eyes. But jumping to talk of secession? Really?

No. 1, be careful what you wish for. It’s inviting a cataclysm. History alone tells you that.

No. 2, the goal of conservatives right now ought to be to convince others of the wisdom of traditional American principles of liberty, responsibility, self reliance and small government, and the effectiveness of following them. (We used to be able to depend on schools to teach that.) How will disrespecting the president or the country or each other advance the cause?

Barack Obama is the president, and will be in January as well. Every American’s obligation now is to respect that fact and to work within the framework our founders provided to make the country the best it can be.

That doesn’t mean the laying down of intellectual arms. Conservatives can still fight the good fight, and must. But the election means that they must do so as the loyal opposition.

Unfortunately, they might also have to fight the good fight under deteriorating conditions. If conservatives are right, then this president’s policies will make things much worse before they get much better. With any luck, those who have supported the president to this point will be more persuadable with time that they have made a huge mistake.

Rather than take their marbles and go home, conservatives should be prepared to make their case again and again for freedom and free markets and individual responsibility and more.

And with the deck stacked in Washington, it may be in state capitals where the real action is. It’s not at all unpatriotic,
for example, to talk about and strive for states’ rights. It just so happens to be spelled out in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

Let’s keep it together and continue working to build a consensus for a stronger, more united United States.

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Retired Army
Retired Army 11/18/12 - 09:43 pm
Seceed? Bye!

Do you really believe Democrats wouldn't be on the receiving end of your "Best Wishes" for America had the results gone your way? A tower of gloat might be more to your liking.

You know, we got to hear all of this kind of stuff in 2000 and 2004 from Republicans. The Liberal camp was inundated with taunts of sore losers, cry babies, etc. And Liberals made all sorts of dire predictions then too. The BIG difference between then and now is that we were dead right in our predictions. Two wars on a credit card, one of which was very questionable almost 6,000 of America's finest slaughtered an untold number maimed either physically or mentally with no real victor in sight, and in to top it off a national financial mess, that thank God our President in spite of the kicking, hollering, screaming, childish opposition he has had to put up, with is turning it around.

Special Notes Here: Twinkies be damned, they went broke because they sell unhealthy trash and the market woke up or died from eating it. Four dead in Benghazi you scream. Didn't hear you screaming about the 241 in Lebanon when Saint Ronnie was running the show or the 47 dead in embassies around the world under the Bush regime. Balderdash! Sour grape hypocrisy.

And then, the effrontery to try to redo their disaster with what basically amounted to Bush Number Three?

Ya really didn't think America get's it did ya? Thought you could fool a slim majority of Americans again, didn't ya? An unholy alliance of religious extremists, old fashioned bigots, closet racists, misogynists and then the well meaning but deluded few(Yes Virginia, there are good Republicans, but the best are marginalized by the zealots), many secretly and grossly funded by vested big money interests gor stopped stone cold at the ballot box. Over 63,000,000 Americans stood up and said No Thanks and for that I am extremely grateful.

"In the end the trust the people, they'll always get it right". Theodore Roosevelt, One of the truly great Republicans. One who would be ashamed of what's gone on in that party for too long now.

Truth Matters
Truth Matters 11/18/12 - 10:55 pm
The election

I just finished watching Steve Schmidt, former John McCain campaign official/manager, on CSPAN discussing what Republicans got wrong in this past election. All I can say is that there are some conservative voices of reason. I can also say that they are not reflected by the posters on this page, and they are most definitely not at the Augusta Chronicle.

If you believe your party will attract Obama supporters by continuing to insult them, you are sorely mistaken. People who supported the president get up and go to work everyday, some at the Augusta Chronicle, at local hotels cleaning rooms and changing linen for out of town guests during Masters Week, hospitals, nursing homes, day care centers, schools, car dealships, churches, and a variety of other places, yet they have endured being told the last four years that they are takers and are lazy. Until the Republican party purges operatives such as the writers at ACES, why would these people ever vote for a Republican?

Truth Matters
Truth Matters 11/18/12 - 11:05 pm
States' Rights

Um....it was under states' rights that George Wallace stood in the door of the state university to block minority students, whose parents' taxes paid for the school, from enrolling. It was states' rights that allowed many states to reduce early voting in an effort to lessen voter turnout in the 2012 general election. Still can't figure what fewer days to vote has to do with voter suppression.

Republicans have a poor track record of caring about the liberty of those who are not part of the establishment.

Truth Matters
Truth Matters 11/18/12 - 11:07 pm

Instead of "voter suppression" I intended to write "voter fraud."

allhans 11/18/12 - 11:44 pm
Calling Obama out on his

Calling Obama out on his give-a-ways is NOT insulting his supporters. (I know its the talking points from the WH, I've heard the statment made for 3 days now.)
I feel sure that people on the receiving end looks at him as Barack-a Claus. I would if I were a student today and he told me he would forgive the interest on my school loan - if and when I failed to pay. Telling young Hispanics that they will be given amnesty - when he has no intention of following through on either promise. We know this stuff he is "passing" out will take more than 4 years to implement, and that he won't be around to take the blame, that will fall to his successor.

The facts have been laid out there .

Willow Bailey
Willow Bailey 11/18/12 - 11:33 pm
Well, so much for looking

Well, so much for looking forward to the elections being over. Many of the comments are angrier and less respectful than ever. What is this "radical" right business anyway?

What could be more radical than spending tons of money you don't have, borrowed from someone who despises you?

Little Lamb
Little Lamb 11/19/12 - 12:20 am
End the End

WalterBradfordCannon posted:

As to Obamacare – each of the next 12 richest nations after the USA has some form of socialized medicine, and each of them spends half as much on medical care as the USA, and each of them has comparable medical outcomes.

Wasn't it John Maynard Keynes who said, “In the long run, we all are dead”? Is that the sort of "medical outcomes" you are talking about, Mr. Cannon?

rebellious 11/19/12 - 03:10 am
Martin Niemoller wrote:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--

because I was not a communist;

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

To the ACES, and yes I know you know who I am, you had an opportunity to help, but took a pass. You could have helped shape the Sheriff's election, but waited until the Sunday before the scheduled election, after 30% had cast early votes. You had a chance with the presidential election, but rode the pine. You continuously published articles disparaging Andersons run against Barrow. Now you choose to try to quiet the waters? Too little, too late. You sold out profit over principle, and yet now want the rheteric to ease. You can't have it both ways!

WalterBradfordCannon 11/19/12 - 08:13 am
USA Medical Care

It is a myth that medical care in the USA has any advantage over the rest of the world, except for non-emergency response times. And for that we pay double. But let's get specific. The classic measures of health care systems are infant mortality and life expectancy. The USA is the highest of any of the 14 OECD (wealthy) nations in infant mortality. For life expectancy? The UN ranks the US 37th, just worse than Cuba. That's right, life expectancy is greater in Cuba than in the USA. How about something more sensitive to our cutting edge technology like cancer survival times? Prostate cancer is the best studied. The USA survives longer than the European nations, but not as long as Japan. However, the evidence is consistent with the differences being accounted for by diagnosis times - Japan diagnoses it earliest, the US next, then Europe, and treatments are a wash.

If you read all of the evidence on US medical prowess, you come to the conclusion that our customer service is excellent, but our proficiency in achieving medical outcomes is no better than any other wealthy nation. And for that we pay two times as much as people in other nations. Doctors in other nations (and in the USA) are smart. They read the medical literature, and take up new treatments rapidly, irrespective of where they are developed, to achieve the best outcomes. The curve defining health care returns vs expenditures has declining returns for increasing costs at levels far below those spent in the USA. The only thing money buys you is better non-emergency customer service. For that you pay double.

And the point of all this is that anyone trashing Obamacare needs also to be sensitive to the bigger picture. Our national health care system is horribly inefficient and needs a major overhaul, the rest of the world knows it, and they laugh at our defense of our system against change. Obamacare may not be the complete, or optimal, solution, but there is no other direction that will improve our cost-benefit ratio in health care.

Young Fred
Young Fred 11/23/12 - 03:36 am

"The UN ranks?"

You've got to be kidding me. One only has to observe the new standards for testing of various diseases in the USA to understand where our new government sponsored health care is heading.

Riverman1 11/23/12 - 08:25 am
WalterBC, I can unequivocally

WalterBC, I can unequivocally say, those who can pay and have serious medical problems come to the U.S. for treatment.

KasparHauser 11/23/12 - 10:55 am
"Remember back when the south

"Remember back when the south was solidly in Democratic hands? Here we are now, solidly Republican. What changed? Only the party. The same social conservatives remain, daydreaming wistfully about the 1950s."

What changed was the Dems kicked out the racists along with their nonsensical fantasies of a 'Golden Age', and guess where they ended up?

The GOP has sold it's soul to the likes of the hypocritical, vituperrous Gingrich and Rove, and now it's wailing at the wall because thinking adults won't clasp those vipers to their bosoms?

I could vote for a party that said, "Global Warming is real, but we need to be intelligent about this", or "Abortion is necessary, but we need to be reasonable", or "Terrorism is a threat, but not as big a threat as handing the country over to Big Brother and his greedy patrons", or "We can't pay for every face lift, but the mobile workforce which we capitalists are moving the country to needs continuous health coverage."

I don't hear ANY of that from the GOP, just an appeal to go back to the Jim Crow 1950s, and all the OTHER ignorance that implies.

As Andrew Sullivan noted, he doesn't want to abolish Obama Care, he wants Conservatives to make it better and make it work. Oh, and note, that as a thinking adult I can agree with Sullivan on some things, but intelligently disagree on others. That is something which the current breed of GOP Shepherds of the Sheeple know is complete heresy (just as religious bigotry created 'heresy' because it always seeks to quash thinking)

WalterBradfordCannon 11/25/12 - 09:29 am
Riverman1, this argument is

Riverman1, this argument is used, often, but it is valueless unless you A) also consider Americans that go abroad for medical and dental service, and B) look at the reasons people are crossing borders for care. For the first part, do a web search on medical or dental tourism industries. There are shops set up in many parts of the world that cater to US citizens for expensive, out of pocket, procedures like gastric reduction, plastic surgery, or dental procedures. Huge numbers of San Diegans go to Tijuana for dental care. People do this because it is much less expensive, and you often get US trained doctors/dentists. The foreigners coming to the USA are trying to either avoid a wait for a procedure at home, or are choosing a poor cost/benefit procedure that falls outside coverage at home. For any common procedure with a decent cost/benefit ratio, odds are pretty good that you can fly to a medical tourist destination and get it performed just as well for half the cost. So, if you want to argue that the US medical system is good because people come here for some types of procedures, you also need to explain the vastly greater number of Americans that leave for some types of procedures.

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