Let's hold it together

In the wake of a disappointing election, conservatives must work for good of country

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Flags are being flown upside down as a sign of distress. Petitions for secession are circulating the states. Friends are being discarded on Facebook and, perhaps, in person. And in other ways, concerned conservatives are showing their despair in the wake of President Obama’s re-election.

One question for our conservative friends: How are such actions going to make things better?

Fact is, they’ll only alienate our moderate and liberal friends – and perhaps hurt the very country we all love so much.

Speaking as conservatives ourselves, this page can tell you that our liberal friends don’t understand the depth and the root of our angst. Many of them think it’s just sour grapes because “our guy” didn’t win.

That’s not the way conservatives see it at all. We see the country being weakened by failed fiscal policies, bowed by overregulation, and beset by an overbearing philosophy of government that runs entirely counter to American ideals.

We’ve had more than one area conservative tell us they’re sick about the election and can’t watch the news right now. Not because “their guy” didn’t win, but because the country may have lost.

Indeed, increasing numbers of businesses across the country – finally faced with the inevitability of “Obamacare” – are either laying people off or converting full-time employees to part-time to avoid the crushing costs of the health care law.

This isn’t sour grapes. This is tantamount to seeing a loved one dying – while the doctors seem intent on accelerating the end.

Still, let’s hold it together, folks.

Petitions from nearly every state are seeking peaceful secession from the Union. We asked one Augusta conservative what he thought of the burgeon

ing secession movement. “It can’t ‘burgeon’ quick enough,” he quipped, only half-jokingly.

We understand the sentiment – the sight of seeing the Constitution wither before our eyes. But jumping to talk of secession? Really?

No. 1, be careful what you wish for. It’s inviting a cataclysm. History alone tells you that.

No. 2, the goal of conservatives right now ought to be to convince others of the wisdom of traditional American principles of liberty, responsibility, self reliance and small government, and the effectiveness of following them. (We used to be able to depend on schools to teach that.) How will disrespecting the president or the country or each other advance the cause?

Barack Obama is the president, and will be in January as well. Every American’s obligation now is to respect that fact and to work within the framework our founders provided to make the country the best it can be.

That doesn’t mean the laying down of intellectual arms. Conservatives can still fight the good fight, and must. But the election means that they must do so as the loyal opposition.

Unfortunately, they might also have to fight the good fight under deteriorating conditions. If conservatives are right, then this president’s policies will make things much worse before they get much better. With any luck, those who have supported the president to this point will be more persuadable with time that they have made a huge mistake.

Rather than take their marbles and go home, conservatives should be prepared to make their case again and again for freedom and free markets and individual responsibility and more.

And with the deck stacked in Washington, it may be in state capitals where the real action is. It’s not at all unpatriotic,
for example, to talk about and strive for states’ rights. It just so happens to be spelled out in the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

Let’s keep it together and continue working to build a consensus for a stronger, more united United States.

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Chris 232
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Chris 232 11/18/12 - 01:21 am
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You only hurt your cause the
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You only hurt your cause the more you publish letters like Mr. Payne's. It's probably better for you if you took your marbles and went home. The GOP is on its way to being DOA

griff6035
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griff6035 11/18/12 - 06:28 am
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Support Obama

I cannot!

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 11/18/12 - 06:36 am
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Where were you guys

When Bush allowed banks to run wild and caused the housing collapse.
Wall street ran raampant. Bush started two wars we couldn't pay for. Remember when he said "Mission Accomplished" 9 more years and the war is still going on. I remember one time when asked about Osama bin laden he said he didn't even think about him anymore. I believe George W. Bush will go down as the 2nd worst President this country ever had right behind JohnQuincy Adams.

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Rhetor 11/18/12 - 06:46 am
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What conservatives don't seem

What conservatives don't seem to understand is that liberty applies to everybody, not just the people who are already prosperous and powerful. The liberty of the rich to avoid taxes while middle-class people support the national defense, public roads, and other vital services is not true liberty for all.

d1zmljqg
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d1zmljqg 11/18/12 - 06:59 am
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Romney won out over

in the primaries with such stalwarts as Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Palin, Trump, Ryan, Huckabee and many more to choose from. Now the devious GOP can't distance themselves far enough from him. Are any of the above recyclable?

"Conservatives can still fight the good fight, and must. But the election means that they must do so as the loyal opposition." Will Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan be so humbled to lead the march in the "good fight" the tattered GOP standard?

carcraft
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carcraft 11/18/12 - 07:07 am
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Why bother? Liberals lie,

Why bother? Liberals lie, believing if they say it enough it becomes true. The media does not hold them acountable! Take Libya, the Obama administration altered they CIA report! Rice goes on 5 Sunday talk shows and basically lies! The press Yawns! Obama goes to the UN and basically lies to the American peoples! Now they CIA director is invovled in a sex scandal started by a women who may have been to the White House! The press yawns! The financial collapse was due to Freddie and Fannie backing housing market sub prime loans! The easy money lead to housing inflation and started the loan bundling! BUSH went several times to Barney Frank and ask him to put the breaks on. Barney refused! So if you repeat the lie often enough ....

carcraft
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carcraft 11/18/12 - 07:25 am
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I look at companies closing

I look at companies closing and laying off workers or raising prices and the folks that support Obama think if you take from people they will stand still to be fleeced! The lay offs are just a start that demonstrates thus isn't true! Romney is a very moderate individual who helped develop the blue print used for Obama care! Now if he can't get elected the moochers class has clearly won! Lies manipulations of the press and distortions of economics realty are the order of the day! Yes you have won but America has lost! We are now on the road to Greece or worse! So enjoy your sweet spoils as we decline and head to third world status! I also recognize that just as the people of Israel wanted a king and traded God for a King so the majority of people in America want security and a many state in exchange for freedom! The left wants to hold the rich responsible, well who is going to hold the poor responsible for failing at getting educated, having children they can't afford etc.?

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avidreader 11/18/12 - 07:50 am
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Twinkies!

Over 18,000 jobs gone. Hostess is boarding up its factories nationwide. The unions blame it on mis-management; the company blames the unions for not conceding to austerity measures. Regardless, the jobs are gone because our country's economy is in the toilet.

I have a foreboding image that Hostess is just the beginning. What are our leaders going to do about it -- both Democrats and Republicans?

". . . there is no joy in Mudville - mighty Obama has struck out."

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 11/18/12 - 07:54 am
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Secession

I don't think anyone is serious about that. I take it as making a very loud statement that conservatives will fight for their principles, and Obama need not think his re-election is carte blanche for taking this country in a socialist/fascist direction.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 11/18/12 - 07:57 am
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Shrimp

Don't forget, the mortgage crisis was not the responsibility of Bush; in fact, he tried to get the sub-prime mess fixed before it blew up, but the Democrats stonewalled him
Remember too that a Democratic congress approved the unfunded wars.

TrukinRanger
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TrukinRanger 11/18/12 - 08:22 am
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A democratic congress
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A democratic congress approved the unfunded wars because of the faulty intelligence the CIA and Bush administration gave them - right after the horrible 9/11 attacks. That information has been proven to be wrong and a lot of it misleading when it came to Iraq.

KSL
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KSL 11/18/12 - 08:30 am
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They won't listen.They won't

They won't listen.They won't hear. They won't think. They won't understand. All they will do is blame Bush

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rmwhitley 11/18/12 - 08:31 am
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Housing collapsed because of the frank-dodd
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(democrats) act. Bush was a moron in many ways but look at the trash you liberals have put in office. Super-rich people ; pelosi, reid, schumer, hoyer, jackson,jr., charlie rangel, obama, blagojevich, the late teddy kennedy, georgy soros, diane sawyer, rachel maddow, chris matthews, katie couric, oprah, clooney, kimmel, stewart, fallon, letterman, cooper, o'brien, ted turner and all of your comic heroes from hollywierd, haven't given you leeches one red cent. This minority, WHITE, conservative MALE ain't giving you any, either.

KSL
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KSL 11/18/12 - 08:33 am
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Anyone who claims the

Anyone who claims the mortgage mess was Bush's fault goes on my ignorant list.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 11/18/12 - 08:34 am
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After reading all these

After reading all these comments since the election I can not help but conjure up an image in my head of the democratics riding a bike down a huge hill, laughing and filled with joy (cause their man won), and very soon they will come to that curve in the road and they'll be going too fast to make it and crash. It won't be much fun and laughing then and they'll cry, why didn't someone say something about the curve in the road. There will be no satisfaction in "We told you so".

KSL
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KSL 11/18/12 - 08:38 am
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Mortgage mess

There is a mountain of truth proving the contrary out there. Plenty of video testimony. It is so easy to find and it is so indicting of the true culprits.

KSL
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KSL 11/18/12 - 08:43 am
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Actually

I will enjoy the heck out of the we told you so!

CabisKhan
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CabisKhan 11/18/12 - 09:15 am
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May be for 2016 a candidate

May be for 2016 a candidate will emerge for cheap energy, a free market, and NO SOCIAL EXTREMISM.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 11/18/12 - 09:23 am
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Shrimp.....if you MUST spout

Shrimp.....if you MUST spout off, tell ALL of the story.

"Bush allowed banks to run wild and caused the housing collapse"

No, the Democrats used Fannie Mae and ACORN to FORCE the banks to make bad mortgage loans to people who could not afford them. THAT caused the collapse. The banks bundling those loans to get them off of their books was just a symtom. Everybody knew the mortgage industry was going to collapse and BUSH tried to get the Democrats to do something about it 2 years before it happened. But old Democrat Barney Franks said everything was just hunky dory. Demcrats were in charge of the Congress and Fannie Mae when Bush told them there was a problem but the Democrats refused to even look at it.

"Bush started two wars"

No. Osama Bin Laden started one war and Afghanistan was sheltering the training grounds and leadership. Democrats voted for it, and the whole country cheered. The second war was called for and sanctioned by the United Nations and the Democrats voted for that one too. I will agree that we should have paid for it but there again, Obama has spent even MORE, WAY MORE if you count the long term cost of Obamacare, not all war related, and hasn't paid for his either.

You won the election. You can start telling the whole truth about history now.

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Jon Lester 11/18/12 - 09:27 am
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How about letting women be responsible for their own bodies,

and respecting freedom from religious influences for all of us? And how about disengaging from every country that falls short of our standards of freedom (Bahrain in particular) and letting other nations take responsibility for their own affairs?

Oh, you want to talk about Hostess? This company is in the business of making the kinds of fatty snacks that Americans are trending away from, so your beloved free market isn't being kind to it, but it may have held on a few more years if it weren't for executive mismanagement, through no fault of the unions:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/11/16/fox-ignores-hostess-array-of...

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Riverman1 11/18/12 - 10:06 am
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Marshaling Flat-belly Wagons

I believe we can marshal at least 10 flat belly wagons with fighters from the Appling area to join with a convoy of 15 wagons from the South Georgia area massing in Ludowici. We could march on Atlanta first to get a conservative government back there. We will bypass Augusta-Richmond County because they will surrender peacefully to our conservative force after Atlanta falls. Richmond County is always so lucky in history being bypassed by armies.

If the Army of Northern Virginia takes Washington by surprise we will be on our way unless the federal government brings in socialist UN fighters from Russia and China to stop the conservative surge.

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carcraft 11/18/12 - 10:16 am
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I am sure the left will

I am sure the left will explain the loss of over 500 Kaiser Permanenty jobs in California as good because this really isn't the type of health insurance America needs! The loss of Stryker medical prosthesis jobs are good because joints replacements etc are only for the wealthy. Loss of jobs at Durden enterprise is good because who needs pasts and fat sea food! BWAHAHAHAHA

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gargoyle 11/18/12 - 10:31 am
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Media Matters 501C

"To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.

Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.

The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise tax may be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.

Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues."

Mediamatters...How are they tax-exempt and why do tey lie to tell a lie?Anyone using them as a source of information deserve what they get.Kind of like walking into a jail and asking if anyone is innocent, the answer is going to be It ain't my fault.

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faithson 11/18/12 - 11:04 am
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the real culprit in republican politics

Faux and Am radio bombast's were no political help to the republican cause. Sure they fed their viewers a constant dribble of what they wanted to hear, but in doing so they marginalized their message in the same way so many religions have. 52% of the American people found these messages in congruent with their own. Had the republicans of old had influence, the message of fiscal responsibility without all the bombastic rhetoric would have won the day. But than again, this new republican party that has become the moral arbitrator of the people, will in all likelihood continue to be divisive and unyielding.

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Gregory J. Topliff 11/18/12 - 11:29 am
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Medals for our dead Navy Seals

I sent this letter to the newspapers and wanted to get the word out. I thought I would share.

I am writing this letter regarding the deaths of the two Navy Seals killed in the attacks on our embassy in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012.

Being a 100% disabled marine Vietnam veteran from said war, I have numerous medals that reflect my sacrifice for my country, which brings me to the reason for writing.

Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods the two former Navy Seals who died defending our country in a civilian capacity as security personal, should not go unrecognized for their heroism and valor.

Their families should not have to bear the thought that their loved ones won’t be honored with a keepsake that they can hold to remind them of the heroes that they are, therefore, through my representatives in South Carolina, including Lindsey Graham, Congressmen Duncan, Wilson and Gowdy I have requested that they see to it that the aforementioned receive the civilian Presidential Medal of Freedom or like medal if there is one to honor these two men and the others that died trying to save Ambassador Chris Stevens and protect our sovereign ground. It’s my opinion that the political battle to get to the truth should not take precedence over the families who deserve to have their loved ones recognized now.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 11/18/12 - 02:12 pm
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What kind of conservatism?

I'm wondering what kind of conservatism ACES is talking about. Is conservatism good only in Washington? Is conservatism the wrong thing for Augusta (especially downtown)? I see the transfer of taxpayer money to Riverfront, LLC, as being fundamentally fascist in an economic sense. It is not conservative at all for taxpayers to fund that private business.

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swcohen 11/18/12 - 02:32 pm
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Fiscal conservative = good

Social conservative = bad.

Remember back when the south was solidly in Democratic hands? Here we are now, solidly Republican. What changed? Only the party. The same social conservatives remain, daydreaming wistfully about the 1950s.

The abortion debate? Same-sex marriage? Climate change? HAH! These guys are still arguing about whether evolution is real or not!

I'll make a deal right now... I'll go along with most of the financial ideas promoted by the Republicans, if they'll agree to drop their social policy based on irrationality and superstition. Accept 21st century science, resign yourself to the attitudes of our modern world, and stay out of my bedroom. Find a GOP candidate who can do those things, and if he or she makes a good case for fixing our economy... they might just get my vote.

WalterBradfordCannon
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WalterBradfordCannon 11/18/12 - 02:44 pm
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The thing that changed

The thing that changed, really, is the nation's policies and dialog. You'd have to be loony to think that the nation is dying from failed fiscal policies and overregulation when the winning campaign platform is "reinstate Reagan era tax rates so we do not go broke." Do you remember small business owners crying over how bad they had it during the Reagan (and Bush 41 and Clinton) years? Me neither. There is no option that moves the USA towards fiscal responsibility that does not include ALL OF THE FOLLOWING: higher tax rates, cuts in entitlement, cuts to the military. Small government was a principle of our Founding Fathers, but it was more specifically small federal government. When those principles roll over to the states we end up cutting government, 65% of which is education, and then we wonder why people do not remember being educated about liberty, responsibility, self reliance and small [federal] government, in addition to the importance of a secular society. Here in Georgia education has been cut, substantially, each of the last 6 years, and our governor is promising us more of the same. There is a reason Georgia ranks in the lowest quintile in education.

As to Obamacare - each of the next 12 richest nations after the USA has some form of socialized medicine, and each of them spends half as much on medical care as the USA, and each of them has comparable medical outcomes. The national disgrace is the way our medical care rapes our wallets, and how we are so totally, completely, ignorant of the realities of medical care worldwide. Obamacare is not a complete solution, but it is a start. We need either a competitive free market in which consumers can shop their medical care around freely, or a socialization to control costs.

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LillyfromtheMills 11/18/12 - 03:28 pm
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Mr. T

Thank you

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 11/18/12 - 08:19 pm
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SWCohen

You and I can get along.

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