Just minding their business

Health care law already taking a toll on jobs, paychecks

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Obama loyalists want to boycott and blame several national businesses for being among the first to publicly admit the truth – that Obamacare is going to result in fewer jobs and smaller paychecks.


Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter inspired calls for retaliation when he merely predicted cutbacks in employee hours in order to pay for the federal health care mandates.

Under the law, companies that employee 50 or more will have to provide insurance for those working more than 30 hours, or pay fines.

A major Applebee’s franchise owner also incurred the wrath of some by agreeing with Schnatter that the work force will shrink due to the health care law, under the “best case.”

If folks want to harm businesses that are forced to cut back on pay due to the health care law mandates, they may have to eat at home – and grow their food themselves. The list of companies looking at cutbacks is long and growing.

“This is just the start,” argues Washington Times columnist Dr. Milton R. Wolf. “The labyrinth of new Obamacare regulations will kill businesses. The 2,700-page law has already generated tens of thousands of pages of regulations, and it’s growing. Here’s one example: The president’s crackerjack bureaucrats required an impressive 18 pages just to define what a full-time employee is.”

And according to Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf’s 2011 testimony to Congress, the health care law will reduce the workforce by 800,000 when people realize they don’t have to work to qualify for health care insurance.

Moreover, any business employing just over 50 people will be tempted or perhaps required financially to lay off employees to get below 50 – and those just under 50 will be less likely to hire over that amount.

The Applebee’s franchisee predicted layoffs, hiring cuts and fewer restaurants built as a result of the health care law.

Says one article: “Other reports of layoffs include Vestas, a wind company that will cut 3,700 employees by the end of 2012 and 3,000 by the end of 2013, Cigna health insurance (1,300), TE Connectivity (620), Energizer Holdings (1,500, 10 percent of it workforce), Turbocare (220), U.S. Cellular (640), First Energy (400 by 2016) ...”

The list will no doubt grow. Let’s not blame them. They’re just minding their own business.

Just as folks had a Chick-fil-A day, a group is promoting National Papa John’s Appreciation Day on Friday.

Blaming the companies for doing what they must to survive the health care law is not only going to be more and more difficult, but more and more foolish.

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carcraft
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carcraft 11/14/12 - 01:57 pm
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It is amazing how many people

It is amazing how many people can tell someone else how to run their business. Papa John’s owner seems pretty successful at running a national Pizza Chain business. Anyone here who wants to tell him what he needs to earn and what his profit is and how to beat his competition had better be running a successful national Pizza Chain ! Until them maybe he understands what his costs and liabilities are better than you. The other problem is that you may get locked into benefit packages and costs for full time employees that are not yet apparent because the regulations for the health care law are being written as we speak!

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 02:00 pm
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Tparty

There are plenty of businesses that watch out for their bottom line and yet treat their employees well. It's not an either or situation.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 11/14/12 - 02:12 pm
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Social Justice.

dated today.

"the owner of Chicago suit maker Hart Schaffner Marx, has warned the state of the possible closing of its Des Plaines factory and the layoffs of 567 workers there."

"Founded in Chicago in 1887, Hart Schaffner Marx outfitted President Barack Obama during his 2009 inauguration."

The CEO says the layoffs might not happen if they can get out of bankruptcy by the end of December. Fat chance. Must not be much demand for dress clothes for WORKING business people with good paying jobs nowadays. With Obama's economy for the last 4 years that 2009 sale was probably their last one.

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effete elitist liberal 11/14/12 - 02:18 pm
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Humble....

"this problem was CAUSED BY OBAMA..." So please explain: that individual insurance is so much more expensive than group is Obama's fault how???

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 02:21 pm
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Never said the cost of
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Never said the cost of insurance was his fault. Companies cutting hours of their employees to avoid Obamacare is Obama's fault. Please tell me you don't need THAT explained.

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 02:25 pm
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"There are plenty of

"There are plenty of businesses that watch out for their bottom line and yet treat their employees well. It's not an either or situation."

Sure- but Papa Johns is not one of them.

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 02:31 pm
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I thought we were discussing

I thought we were discussing business in general. You mentioned $12 per hour to $3 and upping the hours to 12 a day. I didn't realize you were still talking about Papa John's.

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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 02:35 pm
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"Sure- but Papa Johns is not
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"Sure- but Papa Johns is not one of them."

But it is their right. If people don't like it, they can boycott them...THAT is the people's right as well. Curious that those who claim to support those workers are willing to boycott them, which would likely result in having their hours cut even more, if not being downsized. Seems to me that those boycotting are really just opposed to successful business.

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TParty 11/14/12 - 02:42 pm
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"I thought we were discussing

"I thought we were discussing business in general. You mentioned $12 per hour to $3 and upping the hours to 12 a day. I didn't realize you were still talking about Papa John's."

That goes to the question of Humble A. Does a business have that right? The pay and benefits we have today were not given to us out of kindness from folks like John Schnatter, but were demanded and fought for by workers, labor. It cuts into a companies bottom line- like the .04% of profits Papa Johns would lose, but the people have livable wages, and benefits.

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 02:44 pm
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It depends.

The NAACP boycott of South Carolina didn't hurt tourism and may actually have helped.

And that is a good thing because a number of low country African Americas have jobs connected to the tourism industry. But since when has the NAACP actually looked after the people they are supposed to be representing?

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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 02:46 pm
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Yes they have that right.
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Yes they have that right. Can you name a law that they are violating? If you don't like what they are doing, you can lobby to have the law changed, or strike for better conditions. Until then, YES they have that right.

And according to your link it's 0.4% not 0.04%.

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 02:50 pm
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Yep-0.4%, my bad. Anyways,

Yep-0.4%, my bad. Anyways, they don't have that right to cut wages to 3 dollars an hour- that's illegal- the Fair Labor Standards Act says so.

But don't worry about that- just, on a philosophical level- should a business be able to treat people and environment in whatever way they see fit in the name of returning profits to shareholders?

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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 02:52 pm
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Short answer....yes. If it
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Short answer....yes. If it doesn't violate the law.

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scgator 11/14/12 - 03:07 pm
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I would encourage everyone to

I would encourage everyone to download and read the 1900 page healthcare bill; it is an action novel in the making; especially the part where that says the SS Administration AND Homeland Security realize that all recipients "may" not be legally qualified to receive publicly funded healthcare, THEN in the very next "section", makes it illegal to create a federal database and track those who are illegal.............oh, and on pages 1131-1133, it is stated that over $7B is going to Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa, and the Virgin Islands for healthcare. This does NOT Include all of the SSDI, food stamps, etc. that are ALREADY going there; and they are not required by law to pay any involved costs, taxes, or penalties.....................EVERY DEMOCRAT THAT I HAVE SHOWN THIS TO, DID NOT "KNOW" IT WAS IN THERE, AND SAID THAT IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT !!!! BAD, NON-CARING REPUBLICANS DID NOT WANT TO PASS THE HEALTH CARE BILL !!! AT LEAST NOT UNTIL THE FAT WAS CUT.............. Oh, and if you will read the "official" title of the bill............the last four words in its title are........"and for other purposes". The only good thing about this is that good taxpaying democrats will also have to pay their share !!!

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allhans 11/14/12 - 04:55 pm
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Obama wants to make sure the

Obama wants to make sure the middle class has no tax increase...I'll bet if you give the middle class a choice they would say what good is that if we are losing jobs. Barack just promises and promises - all empty promises believed by those who like empty promises.

Most of the real Christmasy songs now has changed to "Brocka Claus" like in "is coming to town". He came 4 years ago...

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CobaltGeorge 11/14/12 - 04:56 pm
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TParty

"But is it right to treat people like that?"

I Think so if they voted for the SCDK.

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specsta 11/14/12 - 05:27 pm
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Big Companies and Greed

Papa John's and other companies threatening to cut workers due to Obamacare can be defined in one word - GREEDY.

Greedy, greedy, greedy. And selfish. These CEO's, despite the multi-billion dollar revenues they post, have so little concern about their workers that they would rather not provide healthcare, than to see their profits diminish by even a smitten of a percent. Greed is a nasty condition to be in, and companies that engage in this behavior are just disgusting.

These behemoths already receive all sorts of corporate welfare, incentives, tax breaks, etc. - yet, that isn't enough for them. They want more and more, and are willing to toss the human factor, the workers, into the garbage in order to satisfy their love of money.

What a disgusting trend we are seeing with these companies...

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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 05:47 pm
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People who expect others to
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People who expect others to pay for their healthcare for them can be defined with one word - Greedy.
Greedy, greedy, greedy. And selfish. These people already receive all sorts of entitlements such as free cellphones and free food, etc, yet, that isn't enough for them. They want more and more.

What a disgusting trend we are seeing with these people.

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KSL 11/14/12 - 05:57 pm
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There are plenty of smaller businesses that are going to be cutting. You can't call them greedy behemoths.

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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 06:07 pm
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KSL...it doesn't seem to
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KSL...it doesn't seem to matter. Liberals seem to have contempt for nearly ALL hard working self sufficient people. It's the self sufficient that constantly remind them that dependency on the government is not required by all, and they aren't ready to admit that. IMHO

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dichotomy 11/14/12 - 06:09 pm
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Acutally specsra, Papa Johns

Acutally specsra, Papa Johns is a franchise outfit and it's restaurants are owned by thousands of small business people. Those "greedy" corporations are actually our neighbors who have bought a franchise, run a small business or maybe two or three, and are just making a decent living. They will be playing the hand dealt to them by Obamacare and pretty much have no choice in what they do if they want to survive. Papa Johns corporate does not dictate to them have many employees, hours, or pay. And that goes for most restaurant chains. They are owned and operated, not by corporate headquarters, but by franchisees.

Oh, I guess you want corporations to raise prices to pay for Obamacare and keep all of the employees on full time. Whatever they do, they would be closed in a few months and we would be buying it from China.

Stock market down another 185 today. Outlook is gloomy. Obama, the lying communist, wants DOUBLE the amount of new taxes now. Smart money being taken off of the table. Things will get worse. Layoffs being announced in droves. Obama might get higher tax rates but he will not get any new revenue exept from the middle class who cannot hide their paycheck income from the tax man. You have declared war on people with which you are totally unequipped to do battle.

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KSL 11/14/12 - 06:26 pm
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When this whole thing about

When this whole thing about needing big changes in health insurance came up with respect to Obama, I read information, I believe produced by the Wharton School of Business. While figures for the uninsured in the US were at 40 mil, actually that figure was quickly debunked. 10 mil illegals. I still say deport them and make them enter correctly. 10 mil eligible for current programs, but not enrolled. 10 mil who could afford to buy their own, but refused to. That left 10 mil who fell through the cracks. Hardly enough to throw the baby out with the bath water and impose huge tax increases, including on the middle class. Amazing that we have reelected the first potus America has ever had that hated this country.

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OpenCurtain 11/14/12 - 06:34 pm
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Everybody remember around 1995

the DIMocrats under Clinton;s leadership passed the law, that every company with X number full time employees had to offer health Insurance? We saw 100's of 1,000's full time employee's overnight get reduced to 32 hours a week. Resulting is them losing 20% of their take home pay.

JUMP FORWARD - 2008
DIMocrat's saying. 'The voters have given us a "2nd Chance" lets try that stupid idea a 2nd time.' "companies that employee 50 or more will have to provide insurance for those working more than 30 hours, or pay fines.

So guess what is going to happen now that the magic number is 30 hours and 50 employees?

Come on even a liberal can predict this one.

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 06:44 pm
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Obama is a lame duck now.

He doesn't care. He is about to complete what he has wanted to accomplish all along.

Probably more than Billy and Hilly can overcome unless they have something major on him. I don't doubt that they do since it was Hillary's buds that first started poking around in the birther issue. They backed off giving up the aggressiveness they exhibited during the Clinton rise to power.

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OpenCurtain 11/14/12 - 06:46 pm
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Moving FORWARDStock Market

Moving FORWARD

Stock Market on Election Day Nov 6th, 2012
DOW 13,264
S&P 1429
NASDAQ 3015

Stock Market on Nov 14th, 2012 - 8 days since Obama was re-elected
DOW 12,570 DOWN
S&P 1355 DOWN
NASDAQ 2846 DOWN

The real test will be what happens before he is sworn in and the New Tax Hikes and the extra 40% penalty Tax for personal funds invested overseas kick in.

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specsta 11/14/12 - 07:49 pm
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"Those People" Are the Backbone of America

Humble Angela wrote: "These people already receive all sorts of entitlements such as free cellphones and free food, etc, yet, that isn't enough for them."

Wow. "These people". Usually when a right-wing radical talks about "these people", it is a code phrase for minorities, the poor, and other folks that have been oppressed in US society.

Why so much hate toward the less fortunate by right-wing radicals? It is so strange that someone could think that a poor person is taking something out of the pocket of someone who is wealthy. What bunk.

A poor person gets food assistance and that's a problem? What are they supposed to do, suffer from malnutrition and get sick, just so the right-wing faction gets to pay a little less in taxes? Are the poor supposed to live under bridges and on cardboard boxes in the winter, while some rich, greedy, right-wing miscreant gets another tax loophole? Are the poor supposed to delay treatment of a lethal disease because there is no money, get sick and die - while John Q. Rich gets the best healthcare, the best doctors, and the best medicines available, simply because he has money?

Republicans HEARTILY endorse money spent on bombs and bullets that shred the flesh of "foreigners", billions even, yet they complain about spending a pittance for feeding someone in their own country?
That's just heartless...

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faithson 11/14/12 - 07:57 pm
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get over it !!!

We are on our way to universal care, period. Now how to fund that care is where the discussion should be focused. Preventive care will be a major part of how costs are reduced in the future. I propose that WE the people OWN our countries resources: coal, gas, rock, minerals, etc. These assets of the people as they are sold off should help to fund our nations needs, healthcare being an example. Of course one would be of the ilk that health care in America should be a right rather than 'discretionary', and here I always find it interesting how so many that see themselves as 'Christians' fall on the sword of self interest.

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dichotomy 11/14/12 - 08:28 pm
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"universal care" is a liberal

"universal care" is a liberal term for socialized medicine, a practice that has pretty much broke the budget, lowered the quaility of care, caused a shortage of doctors, and quadrupled the waiting time to see a physician in almost every country where it has been implemented.

Translated it means - 50% of the people paying for 100% of the people to get worse healthcare than they had before. Beleive me, it sounds eutopian but you ain't gonna like it.

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carcraft 11/14/12 - 09:37 pm
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Faithson To get money from

Faithson To get money from coal you first have to mine it! Obama wants to go green and shut down fossil fuels! Obama thinks these resources belong to him!

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faithson 11/14/12 - 10:08 pm
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Car

come on now... fossil fuel will be with us for a long time, the change to the new infrastructure will take more time than you and I have left here. Now as to cleaning up the emissions from the use of coal, even you must admit we have a responsibility to maintain clean air for ALL the people. Will it cost and will some old plants be put out of business, our economy has lived through worse. I grew up shoveling stoker coal to heat our home, that technology has gone the way of the ole typewriter, to be replaced with more efficient technology.

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