Just minding their business

Health care law already taking a toll on jobs, paychecks

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Obama loyalists want to boycott and blame several national businesses for being among the first to publicly admit the truth – that Obamacare is going to result in fewer jobs and smaller paychecks.

Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter inspired calls for retaliation when he merely predicted cutbacks in employee hours in order to pay for the federal health care mandates.

Under the law, companies that employee 50 or more will have to provide insurance for those working more than 30 hours, or pay fines.

A major Applebee’s franchise owner also incurred the wrath of some by agreeing with Schnatter that the work force will shrink due to the health care law, under the “best case.”

If folks want to harm businesses that are forced to cut back on pay due to the health care law mandates, they may have to eat at home – and grow their food themselves. The list of companies looking at cutbacks is long and growing.

“This is just the start,” argues Washington Times columnist Dr. Milton R. Wolf. “The labyrinth of new Obamacare regulations will kill businesses. The 2,700-page law has already generated tens of thousands of pages of regulations, and it’s growing. Here’s one example: The president’s crackerjack bureaucrats required an impressive 18 pages just to define what a full-time employee is.”

And according to Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf’s 2011 testimony to Congress, the health care law will reduce the workforce by 800,000 when people realize they don’t have to work to qualify for health care insurance.

Moreover, any business employing just over 50 people will be tempted or perhaps required financially to lay off employees to get below 50 – and those just under 50 will be less likely to hire over that amount.

The Applebee’s franchisee predicted layoffs, hiring cuts and fewer restaurants built as a result of the health care law.

Says one article: “Other reports of layoffs include Vestas, a wind company that will cut 3,700 employees by the end of 2012 and 3,000 by the end of 2013, Cigna health insurance (1,300), TE Connectivity (620), Energizer Holdings (1,500, 10 percent of it workforce), Turbocare (220), U.S. Cellular (640), First Energy (400 by 2016) ...”

The list will no doubt grow. Let’s not blame them. They’re just minding their own business.

Just as folks had a Chick-fil-A day, a group is promoting National Papa John’s Appreciation Day on Friday.

Blaming the companies for doing what they must to survive the health care law is not only going to be more and more difficult, but more and more foolish.

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loblolly
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loblolly 11/14/12 - 09:56 am
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Why
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is anyone debating the law? It's a done deal. The debate should be on the efficacy of Georgia opting out of the ACA, which Deal has said he will do, but in reality, will not. However, continuing to debate something that the American people have chosen is futile, and only gets right-wingers angry and depressed. Well, anger and depression seem to be the gals of the bitter ACES.

jack234
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jack234 11/14/12 - 10:05 am
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Well, I guess Runny won't be

Well, I guess Runny won't be repealing Obama Care on day 1. The law of the land. We'll learn to live with it for four tears. Get over it. The election is over. The voters have spoken. Liberty, a big word with the Glen Beck crowd. Liberty, the freedom to vote and choose. I guess liberty only applies when it accomdates their agenday. You can't have it both ways.
Is Hannity still talking about Jeremiah Wright? Is Rove in hiding after he lost it on election night. Should he be under suicide watch?

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 11/14/12 - 10:15 am
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Humble....

"What's wrong with expecting people to do for themselves?" Humble, I seriously suggest you take a trip to the world of reality where you can compare the costs of heath insurance when purchased by an INDIVIDUAL and through a GROUP. I have good group health insurance. A close friend has to buy insurance as an individual and pays 3x what I pay and gets poorer coverage.

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 10:20 am
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Yeah, we know all about it

Yeah, we know all about it eel.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 11/14/12 - 10:27 am
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Yeah,
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I'd be inclined to "kill" the business of the "non-progressive" companies like APPLEBEES and PAPA JOHNS in favor of supporting the drug-dealing, prostitute-pimping, non-working murderous punks on "da hood". That's why you "progressives" spend so much time in bars and behind them.

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allhans 11/14/12 - 10:31 am
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Obama has also promised time

Obama has also promised time and time again that insurance rates would NOT go up. Huh! The thing is, there in nothing in his Obamacare law to stop it. He makes promises, people think he actually feels their pain. The people don't even see that they are being played..
What a joker...

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Bizkit 11/14/12 - 10:39 am
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Tech nice try. You always

Tech nice try. You always shoot down a reference as being biased but so is Factcheck. So your argument is just propaganda. Annenberg was a Reagan conservative but after his death it became liberal. Bill Ayers was the key founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001. Upon its start in 1995, Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Geesh, that alone connects all three. Well, it branches out even more from there.

Ayers co-chaired the organization’s Collaborative, which set the education policies of the Challenge. Oddly enough, Obama was the one who was authorized to delegate to the Collaborative in regards to its programs and projects. In addition to that, Obama often times had to seek advice and assistance from the Ayer’s led Collaborative in regards to the programmatic aspects of grant proposals. Ayers even sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”. They both also sat together on the board of the CAC’s Governance Committee. Obama and Ayers were two parts of a group of four who were instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern the CAC. Keep in mind that the “A” in CAC is for Annenberg, the owners of FactCheck.org. The funding for Ayer’s projects and those of his cronies was approved by Board Chair, Barack Obama.

allhans
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allhans 11/14/12 - 10:41 am
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I would think that if the

I would think that if the insurance law had been more on the order of Romneycare where 92% of the people already had coverage. The law only had to deal with the 8% that were uninsured. 8% of a state's population can be supported by workers. Millions...a big challenge that nobody seems to have thought through.

I saw in the paper that more than 6,000 "new" regulations have been uncovered in the plan that most were not aware of. They should never have opened that door..the creepy-crawlies abound. Posted on gov.org ....

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Bizkit 11/14/12 - 10:41 am
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Factcheck is useless

Factcheck is useless propaganda. You can quote it no more than Fox news or the DailyKOS.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/14/12 - 10:44 am
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I think everyone should

I think everyone should boycott hollywood, Amazon.com., Apple, Microsoft, etc because they give to liberal causes. What was it that Forrest Gump said-STupid is as stupid does. Seems fitting. Well I think progressives and conservative should boycott themselves into extinction. Yeah. Independents finally win.

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YeCats 11/14/12 - 11:09 am
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As with recent elections, Dec

As with recent elections, Dec 31 looming,,,,,,and Obamacare cemented, I agree with rev.Wright when he preached this statement, "America, your chickens are coming home to roost!"

harley_52
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harley_52 11/14/12 - 11:21 am
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"It's not what the CBO said....

....but it is what is actually happening. I think reality trumps what the CBO said."

True.

And therein lies the key to understanding the current President and his entire Administration.

Pay little attention to what they say, but watch carefully what they do.

What they say is intended to obfuscate, confuse, and disguise their real plans. They do not seek higher employment. They do not want economic growth and stability. They do not want to advance policies that lead to energy self-sufficiency, equal opportunity, a colorless society, or the preservation of our Constitution.

President Obama wants to go down in history as the man who defeated Capitalism and our representative democracy. He wants to see both our government and our economic system fail, replacing it with some sort of managed socialistic social system/economy.

Obamacare isn't now (and has never been) about "improving healthcare." It's all about dependency, control, and power. Busniness owners see what's going on and they react accordingly.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 11:32 am
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"I seriously suggest you take
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"I seriously suggest you take a trip to the world of reality where you can compare the costs of heath insurance when purchased by an INDIVIDUAL and through a GROUP. I have good group health insurance. A close friend has to buy insurance as an individual and pays 3x what I pay and gets poorer coverage."

And this is MY responsibility how?

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 11:53 am
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Papa Johns company- to

Papa Johns company- to provide health insurance for their workers- would eat into their profits by 0.4%. And with that- American's working for that company could have affordable health care. They will not go to the emergency room, and clog up that expensive system which is paid for by tax payers and people who are paying health insurance with higher premiums.

0.4% of less profits and employees of a company could have health insurance. This plan they have to hand out free pizzas costs FAR less then having a health care plan their employees buy into.

These are some of the job creators though. These are the same people that, if they could ship people jobs overseas to save a few bucks, they would. THey have no loyalty to American, or to Americans. And what I find amusing- there are Americans who actively defend these companies. Because nothing breeds loyalty and projects success to a company knowing you, as the employee should be treated like you belong on the bottom of a barrel.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 11/14/12 - 11:54 am
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eel..your mistake is what is

eel..your mistake is what is expected by employees...why not what is earned and what can be afforded. employers compensate to what the market will bear..you liberals think an employer opens his doors just to hire..and why is it ethical to expect somone to take care of you..why is it ethical to over tax business so free loaders who dont want to work or want to make themselves more valuable to the employer to get more benefits...its always been the goal of the left to get single payer..so for approx. 8 per cent who dont have insurance BUT are not denied medical care..we will screw it up for the rest..a really great plan..

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 11/14/12 - 11:59 am
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MY responsibility?

Humble, I'll be quite clear: I couldn't care less about how you view your responsibility. My post was to your assertion that getting health insurance (or not getting it) was an INDIVIDUAL responsibility. I simply pointed out the FACT that single coverage is wildly more costly than group coverage. Every business that drops company-provided group health insurance, or keeps it but cuts jobs, forces those who want health insurance to buy extremely expensive private insurance as individuals.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 11/14/12 - 12:01 pm
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tparty.. how do you know this

tparty.. how do you know this about papa johns?? i know what i pay for my company health insurance and what the companies contributes..its a heck of a lot of money..and the last 2 years i had to add 500 dollars each year to my portion alone..employees is the biggest cost of any buiness and to say it would cost 0.4 % is dreaming ...and to be honest what they provide or do not provide is none of my business or anyone elses.

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 12:07 pm
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"how do you know this about

"how do you know this about papa johns?"

Because the numbers are out there. I think someone even posted an article, from Forbes, about it.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 11/14/12 - 12:15 pm
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Silver Lining to the AHcare Black Cloud

Speaking for the 65 and older, you know those that he has classified as now longer required to live any longer and no longer will receive full support from Medicare, here is a solution:

"NEW SENIOR PROGRAM....
New Medicare Program - PART G

You're a sick senior citizen and the government says there is no nursing home available for you. So what do you do?

Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot four Politicians.

Of course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get three meals a day, a roof over your head, central heating, air conditioning and all the health care you need!
Need new teeth? No problem. Need glasses? That’s great. Need a new hip, knees, kidney, lungs or heart? They’re all covered.

As an added bonus, your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now.

And who will be paying for all of this? It’s the same government that just told you that you they cannot afford for you to go into a home.

And you can get rid of 4 useless politicians while you are at it.
Plus, you might not have to pay income taxes anymore.

"Is this a great country or what?"

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 11/14/12 - 12:22 pm
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I Said The Day After The 6th...

Watch the "No Shot Fired Revolution!" (Stock Market, Employment Rate and the action of those Racist Filthy Rich.)

harley_52
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harley_52 11/14/12 - 12:32 pm
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The Plan Is...

...to make private insurance (either group, or individual) prohibitively expensive and drive society toward a single payer, government payer, health insurance system for everybody (except, of course, the ruling class).

The result will be one, ineffective, barely mediocre system for most of us, and a great (but very expensive) system for the very rich and the government rulers.

Competition among providers is not (and never has been) a goal of Obamacare.

harley_52
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harley_52 11/14/12 - 12:37 pm
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Why Do Companies....

...provide employee health insurance?

Have companies always provided employee health insurance, or, if not, when did they start?

Why don't they provide employee automobile insurance too?

harley_52
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harley_52 11/14/12 - 12:39 pm
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Why Don't We Have..

...government provided automobile insurance?

Government provided life insurance?

Homeowners insurance?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 12:59 pm
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"I simply pointed out the
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"I simply pointed out the FACT that single coverage is wildly more costly than group coverage. Every business that drops company-provided group health insurance, or keeps it but cuts jobs, forces those who want health insurance to buy extremely expensive private insurance as individuals."

EEL...this problem was CAUSED BY OBAMA. It wasn't a problem before Obamacare, and now it is. How much someone else's insurance costs is NOT my responsibility, but the bottom line is that this problem was caused by Obama and other liberals, and the refuse to accept the responsibility for what they have created....instead they blame the businesses that are trying to adjust to the new TAX that has been imposed on them.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 01:00 pm
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TParty wrote "Because the
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TParty wrote "Because the numbers are out there. I think someone even posted an article, from Forbes, about it.'

Show us where you got it please.

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 01:07 pm
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Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 01:14 pm
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Thank-you, TParty. It's
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Thank-you, TParty. It's refreshing for someone to back up what they say from time to time. (no sarcasm, I really mean it)

I still maintain that this was all caused by Obama and the liberals, yet they want to blame the business for doing what is in their best interest. I long for the day when Obama will accept responsibility for ANYTHING that he has done.

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carcraft 11/14/12 - 01:39 pm
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EEL Health care coverage by

EEL Health care coverage by employers is not provided by the employer, it is part of my saliary and I pay taxes on the cost of my health care! Nice try but there is no free lunch. Health insurances benefits started during WWII because salaries were froze and benefits weren't so employers could use benefit packages to lure workers. Well now employees are not in as big a demand so buyers (employers) can cut benefits to reduce costs and still find qualified employees.

TParty
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TParty 11/14/12 - 01:40 pm
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"Blame the business for doing

"Blame the business for doing what is in their best interest".

And here is the debate. Should businesses be given free reign when what they do is what is best for their interest, meaning profits? Businesses do not hire people because they are nice. No, they hire when they figure out the expense of an employee will gain more profits. And that is the debate- how do you treat an expense, when that expense is really a human being?

Should wages be cut to $3 an hour, then tell the person to start working 12 hours a day, with only two 15 min. breaks? That would improve the bottom line for the business. But is it right to treat people like that?

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 01:55 pm
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Obama accept responsility?

That will not be happening with his personality disorder.

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