Just minding their business

Health care law already taking a toll on jobs, paychecks

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Obama loyalists want to boycott and blame several national businesses for being among the first to publicly admit the truth – that Obamacare is going to result in fewer jobs and smaller paychecks.

Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter inspired calls for retaliation when he merely predicted cutbacks in employee hours in order to pay for the federal health care mandates.

Under the law, companies that employee 50 or more will have to provide insurance for those working more than 30 hours, or pay fines.

A major Applebee’s franchise owner also incurred the wrath of some by agreeing with Schnatter that the work force will shrink due to the health care law, under the “best case.”

If folks want to harm businesses that are forced to cut back on pay due to the health care law mandates, they may have to eat at home – and grow their food themselves. The list of companies looking at cutbacks is long and growing.

“This is just the start,” argues Washington Times columnist Dr. Milton R. Wolf. “The labyrinth of new Obamacare regulations will kill businesses. The 2,700-page law has already generated tens of thousands of pages of regulations, and it’s growing. Here’s one example: The president’s crackerjack bureaucrats required an impressive 18 pages just to define what a full-time employee is.”

And according to Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf’s 2011 testimony to Congress, the health care law will reduce the workforce by 800,000 when people realize they don’t have to work to qualify for health care insurance.

Moreover, any business employing just over 50 people will be tempted or perhaps required financially to lay off employees to get below 50 – and those just under 50 will be less likely to hire over that amount.

The Applebee’s franchisee predicted layoffs, hiring cuts and fewer restaurants built as a result of the health care law.

Says one article: “Other reports of layoffs include Vestas, a wind company that will cut 3,700 employees by the end of 2012 and 3,000 by the end of 2013, Cigna health insurance (1,300), TE Connectivity (620), Energizer Holdings (1,500, 10 percent of it workforce), Turbocare (220), U.S. Cellular (640), First Energy (400 by 2016) ...”

The list will no doubt grow. Let’s not blame them. They’re just minding their own business.

Just as folks had a Chick-fil-A day, a group is promoting National Papa John’s Appreciation Day on Friday.

Blaming the companies for doing what they must to survive the health care law is not only going to be more and more difficult, but more and more foolish.

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carcraft
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carcraft 11/14/12 - 04:39 am
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And so it starts! The CEO of

And so it starts! The CEO of Durden Enterprises and an Obama supporter is experimenting with part time employment. Even the faithful are not going to fall on economic ruin for Obama!

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 11/14/12 - 06:14 am
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Retaliation is counterproductive

No one should retaliate against a business for trying to survive ObamaCare. If we retaliate against such a business by boycotting it, we'll force it to layoff more people or demote them to part-time status, and that would only worsen the impact of ObamaCare.

It's too bad that we didn't elect Mitt Romney. We need government officials who understand what's necessary for creating an environment conducive to job growth. Unlike the federal government, private businesses can't print money and run deficits; they must either cut back or fold up.

Radwaste
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Radwaste 11/14/12 - 06:25 am
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Your health care is not the duty of others.

And putting government employees in line for your health-care dollar is plainly and simply nuts. It REDUCES the available dollar for actual care.

This is ignored by people who hear the word, "free!" and clamor to get something for nothing -- well, aside from their vote.

carcraft
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carcraft 11/14/12 - 07:08 am
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OK so Darden didn't support

OK so Darden didn't support Obama, big deal, they are still cutting full time employment...and there is a long list of other companies following along!

Techfan
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Techfan 11/14/12 - 07:35 am
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With Godfather's, Papa

With Godfather's, Papa John's, Pizza Hut, and Little Caesars in the pocket of the GOP, they have a lock on the cardboard pizza moguls.

carcraft
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carcraft 11/14/12 - 07:46 am
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Ah, of course, a disparaging

Ah, of course, a disparaging comment! The sun also rose in the east today! Well Obama clearly has the full support of the moocher class sewed up, about 104% in some districts!

Techfan
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Techfan 11/14/12 - 07:49 am
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Factcheck.org

"The CBO never said that. The CBO has said the law would have a "small" impact on employment, mainly by reducing the amount of labor Americans decide to supply. In other words, some workers will choose to work less, or retire earlier, because of the health care law. Their jobs wouldn't be killed."

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 08:05 am
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If Obama is so smart, why did
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If Obama is so smart, why did he leave a loophole in his health care law that allows the workers hours to get cut in order to save money? Oh yeah...he didn't read it either. Techfan says "their jobs wouldn't be killed", yet jobs are already being killed BECAUSE of Obamacare.....but they keep on supporting it. God only knows why.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 08:06 am
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"In other words, some workers
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"In other words, some workers will choose to work less, or retire earlier, because of the health care law. "

If my employer cuts my hours to avoid Obamacare costs, how is that my CHOICE to work less. Please explain that.

loblolly
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loblolly 11/14/12 - 08:10 am
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The worst outcome
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for the ACES is the ACA will be a success and America will not be in ruins. The ACES hate America and hope for it's ruin as evidenced by their anti-America daily editorials. It is getting embarrassing.

loblolly
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loblolly 11/14/12 - 08:11 am
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ACES
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I am surprised youave not had an editorial championing secession. Maybe tomorrow? Let's keep up you string of anti-American rhetoric.

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 08:35 am
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Humble Angela

He won't.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 11/14/12 - 08:51 am
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if the govt...all govt had be

if the govt...all govt had be run like a business then theses excessive rules and taxes would not exist..its hard for govt employees and those who tout the govt line to understand about budgets etc...it just doesnt exist in their world..so when bisinesss have to cut back do to taxes etc..it catches them by surprise and then they get indigant...folks its just plain ignorance in govt thinking that promotes these reprisals against business after all in the world of DC ..there are no budgets, we print money we raise taxes...its just so simple in their minds..whats the problem?

loblolly
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loblolly 11/14/12 - 08:51 am
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And finally ACES
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what is the purpose of this editorial. As Boehner put it, "ACAS is the law of the land." How about moving on and trying to support what the people have voted for rather than continue to fan the flames of woe and despair?

Techfan
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Techfan 11/14/12 - 08:52 am
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So, we have false statements

So, we have false statements by the AC.
A quote from the Moonie newspaper (they'd never steer you wrong, or so said the Messiah Sun Myung Moon) from an ultra right winger who's in with the "death panel" crowd.
A quote from, "Says one article" with no source. Gee, I wonder why they don't mention it's from the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY?
So, lies and quotes from extremist right wing wackos. Maybe the editorial board should read a bit more factual sources. That way maybe, hust maybe, they can post and editorial with accurate information. Of course they could just be hoping they'll get a spot on Faux and Friends. Biased and inaccurate. They'd fit right in.

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soapy_725 11/14/12 - 08:59 am
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Obama knows exactly what he is doing.
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Fundamentally changing the USA. The USA that he hates with every fiber of his being both as a disenfranchised African American ( though he seems to have lived the American dream fairly well ) and a socialist.

The USA will become a third world country. Obama's Plan for the best is yet to come. Any time the government says "affordable" you had better run.

In Obama's mind government is the answer. The answer to the destruction of the greatest political power in human history.

Techfan
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Techfan 11/14/12 - 08:56 am
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"If my employer cuts my hours

"If my employer cuts my hours to avoid Obamacare costs, how is that my CHOICE to work less". That's not what the CBO said. They were saying that people who are having to work just to keep insurance might work less or retire early, not that the jobs would go away. Someone else would need to be hired to fill the slot. Nice try though.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 11/14/12 - 09:02 am
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tech the CBO can only crunch

tech the CBO can only crunch and analyze numbers given to them..we have not seen the beginning of taxes and regulations yet..they are still being written by the secratary of health not thru the legilative process...so to say the impact wll be small is naive...and after all when has the CBO been right...they compute the garbage given them thats it...and we all know how reliable the govt is in giving correct numbers..usually you can double, triple or more the cost CBO says and you will be close...but still usually short in most cases..thats govt....

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:07 am
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Techfan. It's not what the
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Techfan. It's not what the CBO said, but it is what is actually happening. I think reality trumps what the CBO said.

Nice try though.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:08 am
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Oh, techfan..... People
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Oh, techfan..... People notice that you didn't answer the question.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:14 am
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Tech...still lots and lots of
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Tech...still lots and lots of attacking sources (even making up suspected sources) but still no discussion on the substance. Some things never change.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 11/14/12 - 09:33 am
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is universal health insurance in your future?

To all those supporting this editorial: whatever happened to the days when employees expected as a matter of course that their employer would offer some sort of group health insurance plan as a benefit of employment? How many of you would be pleased if your current employer suddenly ended your group health insurance plan? If Obamacare requires employers to do simply what they have historically done and what they ethically should do, that's a good thing. If employers cut back on their workforce or even close, that's just makes the case for universal health care under a single-payer system even stronger.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:39 am
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"If employers cut back on
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"If employers cut back on their workforce or even close, that's just makes the case for universal health care under a single-payer system even stronger."

INCORRECT. It makes the case for individual responsibility! What's wrong with expecting people to do for themselves?

john
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john 11/14/12 - 09:40 am
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and

thats the goal eel.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:43 am
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John....you may well be
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John....you may well be correct.

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Jon Lester 11/14/12 - 09:44 am
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Who cares about Applebee's or Papa John's?

Any other business would be dealing with new regulation and pressing forward with its expansion. These two are not being run by forward-thinkers, and that happens to be reflected in their own business model. Maybe more Americans are thinking about their own health and eating less pizza, and their solvency by choosing not to go to overpriced corporate chains?

KSL
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KSL 11/14/12 - 09:45 am
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I was thinking the same

I was thinking the same thing. People used to be responsible for their own healthcare.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/14/12 - 09:51 am
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"These two are not being run
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"These two are not being run by forward-thinkers, and that happens to be reflected in their own business model."

How dare they adjust their business to be more successful and competitive. They should only look after the welfare of the employees.......even if they end out going out of business in order to do that. After all...that's why they went into business...to employee people, not to make money. (end sarcism)

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