The wrong track

Voters who re-elected Obama kept America on an unsustainable path

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“Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.”

– John F. Kennedy

Your world changed. Overnight.

There can be little doubt that America will be a different country in the years ahead than it has been historically. New rails have been laid on the collectivist track we’ve been put on, and the engineer has been told to go full speed ahead.

How goofy is this: NBC reports that a majority of voters polled after they voted Tuesday said the country is “seriously off on the wrong track.” But they voted to stay on it!

The class-envy mentality that encourages taking from others and expanding government handouts has been given a green light – just two years after a 2010 election in which the country was lurched in the opposite direction, toward fiscal sanity and self-reliance.

That’s a nation that doesn’t know what it stands for.

At best, what it stands for has changed utterly, and perhaps unalterably. John F. Kennedy’s legendary inaugural exhortation to think of country first has been flipped on its head. Today, we are encouraged to ask what our country can do for us, with money borrowed from our children and those yet to be born.

That’s immoral.

A country, by the way, that is already $16 trillion in debt and facing $60 trillion or more in future costs for Medicare and Social Security and Medicaid and other promises.

A country in which nearly half the population pays no federal income taxes – many of whom actually receive payments, money taken from a shrinking productive class.

A country facing huge tax increases so deftly hidden in the weeds of the thousands of pages of Obamacare that few see them coming.

Those around the world who see only a telegenic, charismatic leader who diminishes and downplays America’s role in the world may celebrate, but perhaps unaware of what his promised fundamental transformation of this country may end up looking like. Those world citizens whose lifestyles depend on a strong America may end up not liking the new transformation after all.

This country is not on a sustainable track. It is on the same track that is taking Western Europe over the edge. It turns out that we’re no more resistant to the allure of “other people’s money.”

At some point, as Margaret Thatcher warned about the pitfalls of socialism, we will run out of other people’s money.

That day has only been pushed closer.

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Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:36 pm
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http://quickfacts.census.gov/
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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13/1304204.html

From 2008 Census.

Augusta/Richmon county %Black: 54.7%
%White: 39.1%

How are whites not a minority? Explain, loblolly.

Gaffe
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Gaffe 11/08/12 - 04:42 pm
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Angela which would you rather
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Angela which would you rather subsidize? A poor woman's birth control? Or her child for 18 years?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 11/08/12 - 04:43 pm
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EEL

I was serious. Thanks for the response. I disagree with your assumption. If anything draws privilege, its money, not color or sex. You will probably respond and say that white people control the money. You are right, but that is a small sample size. The vast majority of white men (like yours truly) have to make on their own. You are right, it's complicated and can't be fully discussed in this medium.

Gaffe
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Gaffe 11/08/12 - 04:45 pm
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"Why are corporations
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"Why are corporations refusing to hire? Really....you don't know...take about a week and sit down and read the affordable care act. "

Poor poor corporations. They can't run their employees like cattle on next to nothing wages and no benefits anymore. I feel so awful for them. Not.

On the point of healthcare, we already know that millions more Americans have health insurance today because of Obamacare. Considering rebates are already going out for insurance companies not spending enough on benefits, which helped cover regular inflation this year for our plan, and the rest of the cost saving measures go in effect in 2013, odds are good that people will see more plainly how good Obamacare has already been and will continue to be.

Starting in 2014, businesses with more than 50 employees will be required to either offer healthcare coverage or pay a penalty of $750 a year per full-time worker. The coverage offered will also have to meet minimum benefits -- covering both a specific set of services and 60% of employee health costs overall -- or else employers will face additional penalties.

Plus if business owners would offer their employees a health care plan they would received a 35% tax credit on the costs.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:45 pm
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Gaffe....NEITHER! I should
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Gaffe....NEITHER!

I should not have to pay for OTHER PEOPLE's birth control OR their children!!! They should be responsible for themselves!!!!

Only the liberals think you should be required pick one or the other.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:46 pm
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"On the point of healthcare,
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"On the point of healthcare, we already know that millions more Americans have health insurance today because of Obamacare. "

Patently untrue.....back that up with proof please.

Gaffe
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Gaffe 11/08/12 - 04:47 pm
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So Angela you'd want people
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So Angela you'd want people poor and starving in the streets? Your Randian utopia sounds amazing. Where can I sign up?

But seriously...

The idea of the "welfare queen" (a woman who brings in $150,000 of welfare by popping out babies, then ignoring them in favor of her nails and owning a smart phone) was first coined as a hyperbolic example of welfare fraud by President Reagan in 1976. This woman does not exist. His advisers and speech writers even admitted that they made her up years later. No one on welfare makes that kind of money unless they are dealing drugs or pimping whores. So why are people so quick to believe that the poor are evil?

It's also worth noting that "welfare" doesn't exist, and the MAJORITY of people who receive food stamps are the working poor, usually with kids, who can't afford to both pay for housing and food. In fact, there are many military families who receive food stamps b/c they don't receive a living wage. Please don't spew hate against people using a program that is basically the only thing keeping our society form looking like the great depression. A family of 5, gets about 237 bucks a month in food stamps. This isn't living the life of luxury by ANY standard.

Also you can't just sit on your butt and collect it for life. You can only collect welfare for a total of 60 months in a person's lifetime. So after 5 years on the gov. dole, you are kicked off (unless you have children). That to me is a fair and reasonable assessment: 5 years is plenty of time to help a troubled individual get off their butt.

You want an example of people who "use the system"? Look at many of the uber-rich, who game the tax code every which way and then some in order to avoid paying their fair share of the taxes that keep the country functioning. Compared to them, any "welfare queens" are mere pikers!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:48 pm
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"Poor poor corporations. They
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"Poor poor corporations. They can't run their employees like cattle on next to nothing wages and no benefits anymore. "

Yes they can.....now they just cut the hours to part time....now the employees get less money and NO health insurance. How'd that work out?

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KSL 11/08/12 - 05:04 pm
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Jobs

They started going away when the economy started reacting to failed European economic philosophy (see Greece, etc.), problems brought on the Commmunity Reinvestment Act, (Frank - Dodd).

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:49 pm
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Where did I spew any hate?
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Where did I spew any hate? Why do you insist on making this stuff up, gaffe? Only the liberals think that expecting people to be responsible is "spewing hate."

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burninater 11/08/12 - 04:50 pm
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Not one single woman in the

Not one single woman in the US is denied access to birth control, nor has any Republican proposed such a law. But the left just keeps on saying it.
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That is in part because many on the Left can remember farther back than last week's Hannity show. As recently as 1965, there existed state law preventing married couples from using contraception. The full legalization of contraception in this country was a long, hard battle. Many have no desire to give religious fanatics on the far Right even a glimmer of a hope that they can turn back the clock. If you want to telegraph pro-birth control intentions, don't 1) create an all-male Congressional panel to decide women's birth control access, and 2) stand behind a party surrogate that calls a woman testifying to that panel a slut.

There is a simple way Republicans can get more voters to view them as an intelligent choice. Stop doing stupid things.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:50 pm
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Burninator....how about
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Burninator....how about today? It's not 1965 anymore.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:53 pm
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How can someone who pays zero
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How can someone who pays zero income tax say that the "uber rich" (wealth envy term) aren't paying their fair share? It boggles the mind.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:53 pm
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Quite the childish and
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Quite the childish and offensive post there, loblolly...and you accuse ME of spewing hate.

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Gaffe 11/08/12 - 04:55 pm
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"How can someone who pays
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"How can someone who pays zero income tax say that the "uber rich" (wealth envy term) aren't paying their fair share? It boggles the mind."

Everybody pays some sort of tax....

When you drive through a toll booth, that is a tax
Property Tax
When you register your car, that is a tax.
Sales Tax
Hotel Tax
School Tax
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Excise Taxes
Property Tax
Cigarette Tax
Medicare Tax
Inventory Tax
Car Rental Tax
Real Estate Tax
Well Permit Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Inheritance Tax
Road Usage Tax
CDL license Tax
Dog License Tax
State Income Tax
Food License Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Social Security Tax
Service Charge Tax
Fishing License Tax
Building Permit Tax
IRS Interest Charges
Hunting License Tax
Marriage License Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Personal Property Tax
Accounts Receivable Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service FeeTax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:56 pm
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If all of your income is
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If all of your income is unearned, ie redistributed from taxpayers, then you pay zero tax.....and I also stated very clearly, INCOME tax, which you ignored.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 11/08/12 - 04:57 pm
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Burn

"stand behind a party surrogate that calls a woman testifying to that panel a slut." Come on, you're better than that. Are we to hold the Democrats responsible for every utterance that some yahoo might utter. Sheesh.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 11/08/12 - 04:59 pm
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you can't win....I'll give
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you can't win....I'll give you the last word, for what it's worth, but I have already refuted everything you posted and gave supporting documentation. It was far to easy, but when proven wrong, you just move to a different topic, hoping to find something that is right.....problem is you are latching on to liberal ideals that just simply are too easy to refute. Good day to you.

Gaffe
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Gaffe 11/08/12 - 05:00 pm
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Never underestimate the power
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Never underestimate the power of loathing for the poor. Which, I think, stems from fear; people are terrified of not being in control of their lives, of having to admit that sometimes bad things happen to good people who "do everything right" and yet still may fall into poverty because of a medical emergency that bankrupts them, the company where they work folding out from under them, some CEO shipping their job overseas (Sensata, anyone?), or something like the 2008 economic crash obliterating their life's savings. It's much more comforting, if wrong, to look askance at poor people as "lazy" or the victims ONLY of their own poor decisions. "I'm not lazy," we tell ourselves. "I've made good decisions. I'll reap the benefits, because I made good choices and worked hard." Tain't necessarily so, folks. This is part of why we have a safety net. And even for those whose poverty DOES stem from their own screw-ups, what kind of a country is it that will let these people starve in the streets? Look at our history before the 1930s. It's ugly for the poor. Very ugly. Truth is, most people would rather be responsible and have the dignity of knowing they're not freeloaders. The proportion of genuine moochers among us is relatively low. As someone a bit more financially fortunate than that, I'm happy to pay a little freight toward carrying them, for the sake of helping those who need it and AREN'T moochers.

It's fascinating to watch Paul Ryan et. al. try to re-define Social Security as a "moocher" program. Never mind that people have spent a lifetime paying into it. So far, though, it seems to be a tough sell. A lot tougher than demonizing Medicaid, which is widely perceived as medical "welfare."

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Bizkit 11/08/12 - 05:02 pm
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Well we do continue to evolve

Well we do continue to evolve but remember homosexuality and even gay unions have been around for thousands of years just their acceptance and preponderance comes and goes. Right now acceptance is growing but in 20 years other factors could once again demonize it. Right now women have a choice for abortion but in another twenty years it could be mandatory if you have more than the prescribed number of children like China. Part of evolution will be dealing with population growth and limited resources-as the pop grow and resources get more limite things turn nasty fast. That and our technology is evolving faster than our biology and we will likely kill ourselves anyways-least Dawkins, Hawkins, Sagan attest as much.

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burninater 11/08/12 - 05:12 pm
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Burn"stand behind a party

Burn
"stand behind a party surrogate that calls a woman testifying to that panel a slut." Come on, you're better than that. Are we to hold the Democrats responsible for every utterance that some yahoo might utter. Sheesh.
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JTF, I fully agree with your sentiment. But the two Republican front runners at the time, Santorum and Romney, refused to condemn Limbaugh's statements. Romney's non-disavowal was,"I'll just say this, which is, it's not the language I would have used," meaning he supported the message, just not the phrasing. Santorum -- “He’s being absurd, but that’s you know, an entertainer can be absurd. He’s in a very different business than I am.” McCain at least had the guts to standup to the Prime Blatherer, which even more sharply indicated the difference in the new Republican guard. Again, not smart.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/08/12 - 05:10 pm
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I think history proves with

I think history proves with impunity that both political parties could care less about the poor. This president is no different than any other before him. I have always been shocked at the apathy towards the poor-but I think the reason why is what to do about. Because we have always had the poor in every culture (some worst than others). We will always have the poor as war, disease, and famine. It's a part of our biology and evolution.

loblolly
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loblolly 11/08/12 - 05:13 pm
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Gosh Angela
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I thought my post was funny! You know, a paradoxical comment to demonstrate the absurdness of the right-wing. Even you see how ridiculous it is. Have some fun. Arguing politics on this blog with people who will never change their mind is really a useless endeavor, but is a lot of fun. Where's patriciathomas when you need her?

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Retired Army 11/08/12 - 05:14 pm
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Hey Gang

Humble Angela is almost got her 2,000 points. Give here a thumbs up or down and get her over the hump.

Looks as if she could use some cheering up.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/08/12 - 05:15 pm
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Why would anyone care what

Why would anyone care what Rush Limbaugh or Thom Hartmann would have to say about conservative or progressive causes? I think some people watch too much tv and listen to too much radio. NPR is worth a listen though-even though slighlty left leaning I like it.

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loblolly 11/08/12 - 05:15 pm
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Wow Bizkit
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Such a positive attitude. I started tying neuce (sp?) as I was reading. There is no hope!

loblolly
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loblolly 11/08/12 - 05:17 pm
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Just gave Angela
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lot's of thumbs up!!! You just matched Romney's vote total for Latinos and African Americans!

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carcraft 11/08/12 - 05:18 pm
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The Poor?

Poor in America have cell phones, AC, TV's and food. Drug dealer with $25,000 cash in his pocket was arrested , just had breakfast paid for by an EBT card. Many poor won't take work because their style of living is reduced by entering the work force. America was great because people had self-control and moral virtue. Today people want the government to give, give, give. The only thing the government can give is what it takes from someone else by force of law, whether it is birth control or health care. What people have a "right to" keeps increasing, the definition of what people need keeps increasing and the number of people paying for it is decreasing. The money to pay for it is monetized and will eventual bite us in the butt it like Germany after World War I when it monetized it's war reparations. Now please explain to me how Obama is going to cut deficits when he is double counting Medicare funds (per the CBO) and increasing government give a ways?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/08/12 - 05:28 pm
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Loblolly, I like humor too

Loblolly, I like humor too but sometimes it goes over like a Led Zepplin. I feel for ya. A good dose of humor is good for what ails ya. That and I just get ignored a lot-but I think people often don't know how to respond to my comments=because they don't understand where I'm going and coming from or I'm a whack job. I can accept either. I'm just deliverin' the message as personally I think we will be just fine. My hopes we have all liberal SCOTUS judges who believe in liberalism-small transparent govt, free market-capitalism,liberal freedom including religion, gay marriage, etc. I think there is room in this country for a melting pot of beliefs and ideas. Although I have to admit I question Broun's education and intellect with his recent comments about evolution-I believe he has a right to such an inane opinion. If he choses to take the bible literally-unlike the majority of theologians-to calcuate the age of the earth in thousands of years then I'm fine with. I know a physicist who doesn't believe in evolution and he believes the earth is thousands of years old (I have to wonder where he got his educatoin). I try not to let that jade me to think he is a commplete idiot and moron (Sean I'm not calling anyone one just lamenting).

justthefacts
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justthefacts 11/08/12 - 05:19 pm
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Ryan/Social Security

I doubt he ever referred to receipients as "moochers". More made up stuff. He is trying to save it. What's the liberal solution to the disaster that awaits the program?

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