Frog, on slow boil

When government is regulating sugary drinks, when will micromanaging end?

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“The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.”

– Wikipedia

Just to be clear, in this instance you are the frog.

The boiling water is your freedom being taken away, one increased temperature at a time.

Case in point: More cities in America are considering a New York-style ban on large sugary drinks – making them just as illegal to sell as cocaine.

Can you imagine being transported from 10 or 20 years ago to an America where soda pop in certain amounts is illegal?

When will mere possession be cause for arrest? Will teens be taken to the hoosegow for an open container of Pepsi?

Isn’t the nanny state becoming just a little too nanny about now?

Or will that come a few years, and degrees, later? At what point will we draw a line in the sand and stand up for our liberties, however small they may seem to us now?

Once they regulate sugary drinks because they’re bad for us, what else will they restrict or ban? Doesn’t logic allow it?

And isn’t the logic that it’s OK for the government to tell you what to eat and drink in order to protect you from yourself? Did you notice that phrase anywhere in the Constitution?

New York recently instituted a ban on the sale of sugary drinks larger than 16 ounces. Now, politicians in Washington, D.C., and other locales are considering similar bans.

Leaders who think they can do such things are liable to conclude they can do other things to order your life and diet. Do you want them to have that kind of power?

We understand the obesity problem. We’ve been railing against it for years. But in a supposedly free country, the government is, and should be, ill-equipped to regulate our diets.

We got ourselves into this flabby mess. It’s up to us – not Uncle Sam – to get us out.

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fedex227
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fedex227 10/28/12 - 10:37 pm
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For the love of mike,
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make it stop!

specsta
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specsta 10/29/12 - 12:44 am
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Selective Outrage

"And isn’t the logic that it’s OK for the government to tell you what to eat and drink in order to protect you from yourself? Did you notice that phrase anywhere in the Constitution?" - the Chronicle Editorial Staff

This is the problem with right-wing conservatives - they pick and choose what they think the government should be legislating. These right-wingers want to limit access to contraceptives and abortions - but not guns. They want to restrict adult entertainment but give their blessing to corporate rapists that destroy the soul of the American worker. They talk tough about crime and punishment but only when it doesn't involve Wall Street or financial institutions. These right-wingers heartily give their approval to legislation that makes it harder for the poor to have a safety yet, yet they want to remove regulations that govern corporations.

This is the typical right-wing Republican, Tea Party ideology. Gripe and complain about "their rights" being taken away over something as insignificant as a soft-drink cup size, while turning a blind eye to major human rights issues such as for-profit prisons.

All of our rights as citizens must be protected at all times - not just when it is convenient. There is no pick-and-choose when it comes to protecting our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If you're going to make a statement about the "nanny state", you better be willing to back up that complaint for EVERY CITIZEN, not just the ones you agree with. That includes the rights of women, gays, minorities, immigrants, prisoners, the elderly, the disabled, etc.

The government has no business in restricting anything that doesn't violate someone else's person or property. In other words, if the way you live your life doesn't harm me or my property on a personal level, then it is your right to do it. That is true freedom.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/29/12 - 04:35 am
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Specsta- Conservatives don't

Specsta- Conservatives don't want to restrict access to birth control. Conservatives just don't believe the government should pay for it. After all we don't force the government to buy us the guns we want to own. We are not asking the government to buy us sugary drinks (unless we are on welfare) then the government doesn't force us it is of our own volition!

carcraft
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carcraft 10/29/12 - 04:42 am
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Specsta- You say "They talk

Specsta- You say "They talk tough about crime and punishment but only when it doesn't involve Wall Street or financial institutions. " What is Obama dong about John Corzine? He "lost over $1 billion dollars at MF Global and not a peep out of the Obama administration. Corzine was a big Obama contributor and Democratic party favorite ! http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/corzine-maintains-innocence-syst... Gee may there is Wall Street corruption in both parties..

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 05:13 am
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Should Obama be reelected

The heat will be turned up. There will be a lot of miserable frogs wishing that they could escape the pot.

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 05:42 am
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Specsta

A tax cheat (serious) goes on to be Treasury Sec???? Care to explain. I did read he was looking for the exit door, Obama win or lose. Guess that public scrutiny is cramping his style and/or he has cultivated enough cronies to get rich fast.

Drop the myth that Wall Street and big business cronyism belongs solely to the Republican Party and big financials and other big corporations.

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 05:47 am
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Ben

Seems to be trying to go out the same door at the same time. Hope it is wide enough for both to get out at the same time.

Actually, I wish ben would have to stick around and do some explaining.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 06:07 am
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Specsta, Please tell us where
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Specsta, Please tell us where in the constitution the right to contraception and abortion is guarenteed. I can show you where the right to bear arms is, but I have yet to find the right to contraception and abortion. Also, as stated above, having a right to do something does NOT mean the govenrment should provide it free of charge. I have an absolute right to bear arms, but it is up to ME to provide myself with those arms.

Expain how a for profit prison is a human rights issue if they have the same requirments to imprison someone as any other prison. Could it be that you are just against that evil profit?

Now...tell us what rights that women, gays, minorities, immigrants, the elderly, the disabled don't have that other people do. You will notice that I left prisioners out of your list, because their rights are being denied via due process of law. And before you say "gays can't get married" you are wrong. The restriction on marriage is universal to all people.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 06:14 am
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Specta says
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"The government has no business in restricting anything that doesn't violate someone else's person or property. In other words, if the way you live your life doesn't harm me or my property on a personal level, then it is your right to do it. That is true freedom."

If you believe this, then you should agree with the letter. How does drinking a large beverage infringe on anyone's rights? Please explain why you are OK with this violation.

TParty
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TParty 10/29/12 - 07:06 am
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Again, ACES makes a great

Again, ACES makes a great case for ending the war on drugs. Well done.

Jane18
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Jane18 10/29/12 - 07:08 am
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Specsta's Own Words

I was going to say the same thing Angela. After reading specsta's last paragraph, I thought..."soooo what's the problem?" Sounds like to me me he agreed with AC's OpEd. I guess he just wanted to do some democrat-believing ranting............

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 07:12 am
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TParty.....one of those rare
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TParty.....one of those rare occasions that I agree with you.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/29/12 - 07:22 am
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OK

As long as we're at it, "The War on Speeding" should go as well.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 07:24 am
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Maybe not....Speeding can put
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Maybe not....Speeding can put other's safety at risk. However.....the definition of speeding needs to be reevaluated.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/29/12 - 08:16 am
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Well

A bunch of weirdos high on Meth can put other's safety at risk as well.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/29/12 - 08:06 am
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Darn

Had to give TParty an upper also....

TParty
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TParty 10/29/12 - 08:07 am
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A bunch of weirdos high on

A bunch of weirdos high on [Insert any legal item that can distract and alter a person's mind] can put others [safety] to risk as well.

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rmwhitley 10/29/12 - 08:24 am
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Lefty logic:
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Guns pull their own trigger. The "human" holding it is an innocent bystander. Abortion; the unborn child will eventually own a gun, therefore assassinate her/him before he/she has a chance to have a gun in hand whose trigger might pull itself.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 09:00 am
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Again...I agree with TParty.
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Again...I agree with TParty. People high on drugs only put other people at risk when they break another law. People speeding can put others at risk when they lose control of their vehicle, without violating any other law.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/29/12 - 09:20 am
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Maybe/Maybe not

"People high on drugs only put other people at risk when they break another law". That could probably be argued. But, whatever.

Gary Ross
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Gary Ross 10/29/12 - 09:30 am
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Good article...

Makes you stop and think about a lot of things happening in our society today, and where all this is leading! Total government control? Here's something else to ponder; How well is the government doing on the thigs they ARE responsible for? Like maintaining a stable economy so that those who wish to get involved can prosper? All the basic things I've learned in my life (hard work = success for example) don't seem to apply any more. We are frogs in warm water, and most of us realize how hot it's getting, but someone put a screen over the pot to prevent us from thinking appropriately! God help us please!

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 09:33 am
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How well has the Government
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How well has the Government done at passing a budget for the last 3.5 years?

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 09:47 am
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"The ban was pushed by Mayor
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"The ban was pushed by Mayor Bloomberg, a Independent on the Republican ballot line. Mr. Bloomberg is also the 10th richest person in the US - the kind Chronicle is always praising."

A dumb, over-reaching law is dumb and over-reaching regardless of political party. I applaud the ACES for NOT doing as the liberal press does and simply defending anything that goes along the party line!

And when did the ACES praise someone simply because of their wealth. I've scanned the archives, and can't seem to find that article.

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 10:27 am
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Geez Grouse

Soros, is rich too. Are you progressives so counting on the illiteracy of your constituents that you can pull off the class warfare, Repub are a bunch of rich people.

Well, I guess so. And judging from interviews with the man on the street and high school graduation rates, you have done a lot to accomplish that. Dumb them down, take away any incentive and initiative to accomplish on their own, tell them they are entitled to the largess of others, and you have established a permanent voting block.

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dichotomy 10/29/12 - 10:37 am
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Drugs.

""People high on drugs only put other people at risk when they break another law"

I think people on drugs are much more prone to commit a crime both while high on drugs and when stealing, robbing, and mugging in order to get money to buy drugs.

"Again, ACES makes a great case for ending the war on drugs"

I'm all for ending the war on drugs......as long as we start handing down long term incarceration for drug addicts who commit crimes AND we stop subsidizing drug users with welfare and disablility. I am damned tired of paying disability payments to 35 year old toothless meth heads who take our money and everything else they can steal and use it to buy more drugs. Supporting these useless drug addicts is the insane side of our socialist state. Our "safety net" has become just another "flop house" for subsidized getting high. Who says we have not legalized drugs? Ah, how I miss the days of forcible admission to state "hospitals" and metal institutions. Now we just give them a house and send them a regular paycheck. I know I feel better, don't you?

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 10:50 am
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Dichotomy

Absolutely. There are way too many people on drug crutches, relying on the government and family. Some on legal pain meds.

Alcohol is legal, but we still have a lot of drunks wandering about.

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 11:06 am
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The safety net over the past

The safety net over the past 40 years has become too wide. They became so afraid to enforce real rules and standards because a few might fall through the cracks. Never mind family and neighbors had long been accustomed to aiding.

Never mind few teenage girls got pregnant, despite the lack of access to effective birth control.

TParty
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TParty 10/29/12 - 11:16 am
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"I'm all for ending the war

"I'm all for ending the war on drugs......as long as we start handing down long term incarceration for drug addicts who commit crimes AND we stop subsidizing drug users with welfare and [disability]."

You'd be surprised how many more people can get jobs if they didn't have a criminal record, all because they had something in their pockets. That the bread winner of a house is in jail/prison for numerous years because the nanny state government didn't approve of what they wanted to intake and so they locked them up.

And while you have anger of paying for "safety nets", you should take a look into how much it costs to incarcerate people. A lot of money, more money spent keeping a person locked up verses what is put towards educating a child. A victim less crime, a person is locked up for a long time, once out- struggle to find a job and make ends meat, goes on welfare, and other safety nets- and people like you complain about tax money going towards a person having some food, when they put themselves in that position for doing something illegal, which is only illegal because the nanny state government has determined what is best for you- much like purchasing soda....

It's a terrible cycle....

KSL
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KSL 10/29/12 - 11:55 am
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Meth addict

Do you so want to give a job to a meth addict who so shows up so unsteady on her feet and is so incoherent she can't do the job she is hired to supervise others doing?

She so had a job. Don't know about a criminal record. But she have a job. And she was so good at what she did until she so got involved with a druggie.

Not quite certain about how legalizing drug use is going to solve that problem, tparty. Enlighten me, please.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 10/29/12 - 11:56 am
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I personally see drug use as
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I personally see drug use as a personal liberty, however you have to be responsible, just like with anything else. If your drug use has a negative effect on your job, then you can be fired, just like alcohol use.

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