Is this the country we want?

In this presidential election, you vote for nation's rise or decline

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Sometimes, even after a 162-game schedule, Major League Baseball still needs a one-game playoff to decide who plays in the postseason.

This presidential season appears to be just as close, even after a couple years of electioneering. Two weeks out, the election is simply too close to call – which is amazing, considering the stark differences between the candidates and the state of the incumbent administration.

The one thing we do know is that Americans will get the kind of country we deserve, for good or ill.

We’ll get either capitalism or collectivism; states’ rights or federal edicts; self-reliance or serfdom; pride in oneself or envy of others; American preeminence or decline; American exceptionalism or excuses.

This is the choice we are making in this election.

Americans also will be deciding whether it’s important how our tax money is used; whether we’re told the truth or are lied to; and whether there is any honor left in the office of the presidency.

Let’s start with the latter point.

After sadly diminishing the office with a campaign resting completely on fear, loathing, character assassination and sarcasm and ridicule, Barack Obama now has been quoted in a major national publication as saying that even a 6-year-old can tell “the other guy” is a liar. Except that, instead of “liar,” he used a profane colloquialism we’ll represent as “b---------r.”

Nice. Yet another degrading of the office, Mr. President.

One would think lying also debases the office of president, and it’s now clear the White House has lied repeatedly about the cause of the attack on our embassy in Libya Sept. 11. E-mail records – and now a newly-released interview with the president himself from the day after the attack – makes it clear the White House suspected or knew full well that the Benghazi assault was a planned and coordinated terrorist act. Yet, the administration concocted a story that the murder of four Americans was the result of a protest against an anti-Muslim Internet video. They perpetrated that hoax for days on end.

They now have to admit that there wasn’t even any protest to begin with.

Do Americans think it’s even important to be told the truth by our leaders? Or will we reward the lying with a second term?

As for our tax money:

This biggest-spending-president-ever’s constant refrain is that the government doesn’t have enough money – and it’s a claim the “mainstream” media allow to go unchallenged.

All evidence to the contrary. The federal government has spent ever-more amounts of money, with no positive impact on the economy – and arguably a deleterious effect. Meanwhile, this president has blown hundreds and hundreds of millions of our dollars in failed “green energy” ventures such as Solyndra – and, more recently, A123 Systems.

“Another failed piece of the Obama administration’s renewable energy plan – Massachusetts battery-maker A123 Systems, which just filed for bankruptcy ...” writes the Christian Science Monitor.

So the leader of a most-wasteful government can only chant for more money, all the while burdening young and future generations with trillions in debt.

The question becomes: Is that the kind of country we want?

And how is it even possible the decision is this hard?

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Chris 232
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Chris 232 10/26/12 - 11:37 pm
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More right wing whines from ACES
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Nothing like starting your weekend with a cup of coffee and a bowl full of sour grapes, courtesy of the AC. You think you can put a lid on your unbridled right wing vitriol at least one morning of the week? Seriously, surely even conservatives must be tired of your exaggeration a of gloom and doom. I'm looking forward to reading your sourpuss editorials when our president is reelected.

specsta
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specsta 10/27/12 - 02:39 am
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Mitt Denied Endorsement, Despite His Ties To Salt Lake City

"Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first."
---- from the Salt Lake Tribune newspaper

Funny how the Chronicle Editorial Staff would rather embrace a flip-flopping, spineless, clueless, international joke of a candidate that is Mitt Romney - rather than a strong courageous leader named Barack Obama who pulled this country from the brink of a Great Depression when he took office.

Anyone who can't see that Mitt would take this country on a roller coaster ride to economic collapse, international disrespect and civil unrest is in need of corrective eye surgery. Open your eyes and see what a charlatan Mitt really is...

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burninater 10/27/12 - 03:35 am
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"We’ll get either capitalism

"We’ll get either capitalism or collectivism; states’ rights or federal edicts; self-reliance or serfdom; pride in oneself or envy of others; American preeminence or decline; American exceptionalism or excuses."

Huh? The mind that thinks that this election will produce either of these two fantasy extremes is swimming in a pool of delusion.

We have never had pure capitalism in this country, and we never will. On the other side of this coin, we are farther from collectivism in this country than the planet Jupiter was from the gulags. Stating that we will become collectivist from this election result tells me that someone really as no idea what collectivism is.

The party that wants a marriage amendment to the Constitution is on the side of states' rights? Don't make me laugh. Federal edicts? They're subject to court challenge. Not much of an edict if it can be challenged in court.

Self-reliance? You must be thinking of the old homesteaders -- you know, the ones given land by gov't handout? Serfdom? In a world where children die of disease and starvation, where familes sift through landfill rubbish as a livelihood, a man making $250,000+ that thinks returning to Clinton-era tax rates is "serfdom" should be completely ashamed of himself.

Pride in oneself or envy of others? How did people become so arrogant that now they think they know the minds of others? And how can people who view themselves as this insightful think something as naive as that everyone is either prideful or envious, and that it breaks down party lines. No offense, but that is the most childish thing I may have ever heard.

Preeminence or decline? That's up to Americans, not the gov't. If we want to stop paying for the things that made us great in the past -- education, R&D, infrastructure -- we have only to point a finger in the mirror.

American exceptionalism or excuses. Now THAT is something else. A newspaper that literally, almost every day, tries to put the blame for virtually every problem on the planet on a single political party, is exhorting others not to fall for excuses? You know what would be exceptional? Educating one another about the real complexities we face, rather than exploiting fear and creating manipulative proaganda for purely partisan political ends. THAT would be exceptional.

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omnomnom 10/27/12 - 04:35 am
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"And how is it even possible

"And how is it even possible the decision is this hard?"

Freakin' duh, look who the Republicans have to offer up.

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Suleiman 10/27/12 - 04:35 am
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Is Mitten's America...

the country you want?

All I hear the editorial staff saying here is that President Obama is bad. Bad for the country, bad for freedom.

That's barely half a political argument. If you cannot follow up, "the other guy is bad" with "my guy is awesome and here's how..." then you've got nothing.

The truth is Mitt Romney is not better for America...

I remember watching my grandmother sew DIFFERENT articles of clothing from the SAME material. What we're dealing with this election season is a shirt-waist and a pair of pants cut from the SAME cloth. One will give incentives to the poor, the other will give incentives to corporate lobbyists... (by the way, both of those actions buy votes). Both candidates are big spending, big government, low freedom products.

So... of course the editorial staff must point at how "bad" Obama is for the country... it's too difficult to point out how Mr. Romney would be good.

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rebellious 10/27/12 - 04:43 am
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Good synopsis

I couldn't agree more with this overview.

In the story of Solomon's wise decision with the two mother's claiming the one baby, he wisely said chop the baby in two and each mother gets one half (obviously killing the child). The mother who relented and agreed to allow the child be given to the other showed her love and obvious maternal connection while the other mother would have seen the solution through.

Similarly, If the baby is our country, the two at odds are the Democrats and Republicans and the electorate in King Solomons role...the Liberals would opt for the destruction of the baby.

And if the previous comments weren't so absurd, I would comment. I think they illustrate the blinding of liberal hate and anger accurately enough without my spotlight.

rebellious
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rebellious 10/27/12 - 04:44 am
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Look at me

I just became a TSD!

rebellious
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rebellious 10/27/12 - 05:10 am
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From the Peach Pundit - Very Interesting poll results

Our firm released a joint poll today of the Presidential race and Charter Schools Amendment. We (Landmark Communications) conducted the poll jointly with Rosetta Stone Communications last evening for Channel 2 News in Atlanta.

I really find the results of the Charter Schools Amendment particularly interesting.

First the disclaimers and background: 500 likely voters were interviewed last evening, Thursday, October 25, and participated in the entire poll. Black voters made up 31% of the survey, which is about what the turnout percentage will be when all the votes are counted. The margin of error is 4.3%. WSB owns the poll, but we are allowed to release it after they do.

The bottom lines: Romney substantially ahead with a week and a half to go, and while the Amendment leads 47-37%, neither side of the Charter Schools Amendment battle currently carries a majority. The Charter Schools vote will apparently go down to the wire.

PRESIDENTIAL RACE RESULTS AND KEY FINDINGS

1. Former Gov. Romney leads President Obama in Georgia 53-42%.

2. Inside the 15-County Metro Atlanta area: Obama leads Romney 50-46%. Outside of the Metro Atlanta area: Romney leads Obama 60-33%.

3. Romney leads with all age groups and both genders. Men give Romney a 16-point margin, while women give Romney an eight-point margin.

4. Younger voters aged 18-35 say they support Romney by a 49-42% margin. Voters aged 65 and older give Romney 56% of the vote vs. 37% for President Obama.

5. Romney is running stronger among black voters than Republicans traditionally perform. 22% of black voters said they support Romney as of Thursday evening, which is more than twice the level of support given to Republican nominee John McCain in 2008.

6. Self-described “Independent” voters give 58% of their votes to Romney vs. 25% going to President Obama.

CHARTER SCHOOL AMENDMENT RESULTS AND KEY FINDINGS

1. The Charter Schools Amendment leads in Georgia but has not yet earned a majority level of support among likely voters. 47% of Georgians say they will vote for the Charter Schools Amendment while 37% say they will vote no on the Amendment.

2. There is a stark difference in levels of support based on the age of the voter. Younger voters are strongly supportive of the Amendment (57-32% among those aged 18-35), while older voters slightly oppose the Amendment (40-41% in opposition among those over age 64).

3. There is very little difference in support or opposition based on gender, race or political party. In other words, there is no significant difference based on whether a voter is a Republican or a Democrat, a male or a female, or based on race.

4. Support is much greater in the 15-County Metro Atlanta area than outside of it. 54% of voters in the Metro Atlanta area support the Amendment while 32% oppose. Outside of Metro Atlanta 42% oppose it while 41% support it.

5. To keep perspective about the findings of this poll: With a week and a half until the election, neither side has a majority of the vote. Supporters of the Charter Schools Amendment currently have the lead but with 16% of the vote remaining undecided, this vote remains open for either side to win.

Suleiman
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Suleiman 10/27/12 - 05:15 am
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Just to clarify...

I'm not a liberal and up until this election I was registered and faithfully voted for the R's... Contrary to what some may think, those of us who are leaving the Republican party in droves are not rushing to "the only other option" and we're not rushing toward some illusive "center" that doesn't really exist.

My friends who are leaving the Republican party are taking up space in a third area that hasn't yet reached critical mass, but it is the area which could be the salvation of this country. I will not vote for Barack Obama for the SAME reasons I will not vote for Mitt Romney. They too often put "government" as their answer to our social, political, and economic ills... and they both support the indefinite detainment of US citizens... the very same kind of action that made our ancestors fight King George III.

I am not a liberal, not a fascist, not a statist, not a neo-conservative. I am an old-school conservative, or what has come to be known as a libertarian. We are growing in numbers and influence and we say with resounding conviction that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans advance the cause of freedom.

rebellious
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rebellious 10/27/12 - 05:42 am
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Droves?

How big is a drove? Bigger than a bunch but less than a mob?

And so the droves will vote for a Libertarian who has no chance in heck at election. Hmmmm. Kind of like a starvation protest, except you are not the only one hurt!

In some regards I agree with your statement about our current Republican party at large. Where we part ways is on a solution. I believe it is possible to move a party platform to the right by constant interaction and voting Conservative values in primaries. Oh, and a more appealing candidate than Ron Paul!

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Techfan 10/27/12 - 06:27 am
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The last time I heard so many

The last time I heard so many people talking about "states' rights", they had last names like Stoner, Faubus, Wallace, Maddox, and Thurmond. That is definitely not the kind of country I want.

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nofanofobama 10/27/12 - 07:02 am
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The intent and design of our

The intent and design of our founding fathers was strong states and a weak federal govt. the federal govt was designed with national defense and interstate commerce as its 2 major responsibilities.. All this other garbage that the Feds are involved is not in the intent of the founders..with approx 80 percent of revenue sent to DC going to administrative cost this alone is enough reason to advocate the legitimate return to state rights. I am a conservative who is a republican ..Romney was my third choice , but when people state there is no difference I wonder what planet they live on. We basically got one chance to save our country from bankruptcy.. The dims had it 2008 to 2010 and instead of working on our debt they gave us 6 trillion more and a pathway to utter insanity when it comes to fiscal responsibility.. I don't know if Romney and Ryan and with a non divided govt with republicans in total charge will do what they say they are going to do. BUT it's our only chance to save our republic.. Any other vote for any other party is a wasted vote no matter how noble and principled that vote may be..all politicians change position and we can go thru a long list of promises and changed positions of obumler if Need be. But right now Romney/Ryan is our only chance to save our country. For this reason alone I cannot wait to vote and get obumler out of office.

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seenitB4 10/27/12 - 07:05 am
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Comments hurting Rep party

As a theological puzzle, Richard Mourdock’s proposition is unsolvable. The Republican Senate candidate from Indiana declared in a debate that “even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that is something that God intended to happen.”

Well now....I guess if a bullet hits the spine that ole bullet was meant to stay right there too...duh duh...

A legitimate rape...another stupid comment......duh duh...

My fellow rep friends.....these comments will make the female vote go bye bye.....I have said on here B4 how serious this is....
If they can't stay out of a womans uterus we will see more leaving the party.....a rape is a rape.....
Either stick a sock in it...or get rid of these dumb bunnies.

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KSL 10/27/12 - 07:14 am
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Techfan

Know much about Switzerland?

wayne2410
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wayne2410 10/27/12 - 07:36 am
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Women leaving the Republicans
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Women leaving the Republicans in droves? In Florida Romney has gained close to 18 points among women so someones info is faulty or they are deliberately lying. Romney is going to win, the libs are just going to have to accept it. If Obama wins it would be the end of the United States we have know and people do not want that. The liberals have just been duped by their messiah, they will see the light someday.

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nofanofobama 10/27/12 - 07:37 am
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When we went to forecaste

When we went to forecaste meeting as managers to meet with the higher ups we never brought up subjects that we were not asked. This should be the same with politicians. But if asked be honest. If you believe life starts at conception then one of the logical conclusion of a fetus as a result of rape would be defense of the fetus..a purely logical conclusion.. These are tough answers to tough questions even if this occurs once a year in our society.. The problem with the abortion side is that the life of of the fetus is never considered even with the mounting evidence of development at its earliest stages.. Abortionist bow at the alter of convince no matter what the consequences are. Imagine a politician who is honest on the toughest questions of our times..give me that honesty anytime so I can decided..and abortion will never be outlawed its a bogus argument at worse it will be governed in the states as it ought to
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Techfan
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Techfan 10/27/12 - 07:47 am
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Some people have confused the

Some people have confused the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution.

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Retired Army 10/27/12 - 08:20 am
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Techfan10/27/12 - 08:53 am

Techfan beat me to the video, but here's the meat of the statement by US Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson. And no, he is not some black guy with an axe to grind but he is and has been a registered Republican with an insiders look from a position of authority for years.

"My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable."

So, I ask the ACES "Is this the kind of country you want?"

Now, let the whinning, carping, denials, ridicule, charges of race baiters or pulling out the race card begin!

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YeCats 10/27/12 - 08:21 am
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Hey Specsta,

NBC news has already called Utah, last Tuesday.

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rmwhitley 10/27/12 - 08:30 am
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I believe
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the liar-in-chief will be re-elected. 6 months from now, many of those who put the REAL b---------r back in the White House will be looking for work and a place to live.

TParty
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TParty 10/27/12 - 08:55 am
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"I'm not a liberal and up

"I'm not a liberal and up until this election I was registered and faithfully voted for the R's... Contrary to what some may think, those of us who are leaving the Republican party in droves are not rushing to "the only other option" and we're not rushing toward some illusive "center" that doesn't really exist."

Yeah- that's not going to fly for far right fringe around here. Either you toe the line and never speak ill of whatever horse they want to ride, and hate Obama with everything it takes, to include compromising on integrity, facts and consistency- then you will be called a liberal.

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carcraft 10/27/12 - 09:08 am
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Obama the flippin est floppin est yet

Do you really want me to regurgitate Obama's flip flops all over the ACES pages today? Don't make me do, but I can taste the bile!

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carcraft 10/27/12 - 09:13 am
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Compromise on integrity? The

Compromise on integrity? The lies coming out of the White House on Bengazi are enought to choke anyone with an ounce of integrity!

omnomnom
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omnomnom 10/27/12 - 09:27 am
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seriously, TParty. amen. And

seriously, TParty.

amen. And another amen to all the third party supporters up in heah.

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RMSHEFF 10/27/12 - 09:58 am
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The "desperation" of the Democratic Party

We are witnessing the desperation of the Democrats and the Obama campaign. Just watch over the next week as the polls continue to trend toward Romney /Ryan the desperate personal attacks and name calling from the Obama campaign.
Obama is still polling under 50% in most states one week from election day and the undecided historically break overwhelmingly for the challenger. I am almost ready to "call" the election for Romney and most likely the Republicans will control both the House and Senate.

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wayne2410 10/27/12 - 10:18 am
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The comment about the
Unpublished

The comment about the democrats desperation is correct, the article says nothing about race yet that is all the liberals in here are talking about. They are the ones who are holding race relations back because they use it as a political tool. It is pretty sad in my opinion, they are doing more damage to this country than anyone overseas could ever come close to doing.

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Tullie 10/27/12 - 11:14 am
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Democrats Desperate?

I don't know why. I heard on TV that Halloween masks have been an indicator of the winner since 1980. The presidential candidate whose mask has sold better has won every single election. So far, Obama is outselling Romney.

TParty
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TParty 10/27/12 - 11:24 am
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"[Liberals] are the ones who

"[Liberals] are the ones who are holding race relations back because they use it as a political tool. It is pretty sad in my opinion, they are doing more damage to this country than anyone overseas could ever come close to doing."

Well, Sununu, an adviser to Mitt Romney said that retired Gen. Colin Powell endorsed Obama because both men are black. I think things like this and other racists things and dog whistles are reasons why people have a good idea that so many who dislike Obama do so because he is black.

And que the responses "WRONG!! OBAMA PUTS US IN DEBT, HATES AMERICA, PROBABLY ISN'T EVEN BORN HERE, SOCIALIST DICTATOR, MUSLIM!"

I've heard it before- the dog whistles are prevalent, and codes are there.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/27/12 - 12:05 pm
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I got my Little Orphan Annie

I got my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring yesterday, the secret message (from both parties) was send more money!

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