Snark attack

Biden's bravado staves off Ryan just enough in VP debate

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In the end, the vice presidential debate Thursday was pretty much like every other – consequential only by its being inconsequential. Neither candidate swayed the election.

But that’s something of a win for the Obama/Biden ticket, in that Vice President Joe Biden’s bravado may have stopped the team’s bleeding for now.

Neither the left-leaning moderator nor the overly genteel Republican candidate Paul Ryan stood up to Biden sufficiently enough to make for a respectful, reasoned discussion of the issues.

In particular, Ryan failed to adequately skewer Biden for the administration’s catastrophic security failures at our embassy in Libya, or the contradictory tall tales Obama officials have authored since then.

At the same time, Biden’s Cheshire cat grin, bizarre cackling and multiple interruptions – someone counted over 80 – while clearly a strategy to retake the offensive, was also off-putting for many.

“He was condescending at times to Paul Ryan,” concluded even liberal CNN contributor Gloria Borger. “I think I could have done with a lot less eye-rolling and chuckling ...”

“That mugging, those condescending looks – it was a complete turnoff,” the Associated Press quoted body language expert Lillian Glass as saying. “He was bullying, he was smug, he interrupted ... I think he lost a lot of his message based on facial gestures.”

At the same time, Ryan’s acquiescence to Biden’s antics was a bit passive for a prospective national leader. You were left either thinking he was a nice young man or not ready to sit across the table from Putin.

Again, likely a wash.

The real legacy of the debate, aside from Biden’s dental work and off-the-charts testosterone level, may be an encouragement to President Obama to be like Biden in the next presidential debate. Let’s hope not. We’ve already had enough snark and ridicule in this campaign to last a lifetime.

These are serious times requiring serious leaders with serious solutions. Biden may have won points for toothy bombast, but that won’t put food on the table or make us safer at night.

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Young Fred
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Young Fred 10/13/12 - 03:19 am
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AC's take on Biden

“...aside from Biden’s dental work and off-the-charts testosterone level”

Really? “off-the-charts testosterone level” Hmm, a couple questions:

Have you blindly accepted the premise that an above average testosterone level is a negative?

Do you equate a desperate blustering in order to cover your own inadequacies as “off-the charts testosterone”?

Just curious.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 10/13/12 - 04:52 am
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Whoa ACES

Ryan's party cut $300 billion for Marines stationed to protect embasies and yet he blamed Biden for us not having sufficent protecton for the ambassador in Libya.
What a crock!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/13/12 - 06:11 am
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Biden's behavior was totally

Biden's behavior was totally inappropriate and I believe cost the Democratic ticket votes. It would be easy to reduce any debate to that type behavior, but even high school debaters are taught not to use childish tactics. Honestly, would anyone want to see Biden end up President?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 06:53 am
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Shrimp for breakfast- The

Shrimp for breakfast- The Obama administration also insured the Vienna Embassy got Chevy Volts. Gee maybe some of that money could have gone to security. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/10/kelly-libya-security-cut... President Obama missed most of the Security Briefings , about 60% of them. Maybe if he played a little less golf and partied less he and Biden would have some kind of clue about what was going on in the world. Largely unnoticed is that the head on US security at the Embassy in Yemen was killed this week. HAY! OBAMA, ATTEND AN INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING, THIS MAY BE A SIGNAL OF A LARGER EVENT THAT IS ABPUT TO HAPPEN. THEN YOU WON’T HAVE TO TELL LIES ABOUT A VIDEO! It appears the terrorists are not quit as dead as Obama and Biden say! http://patdollard.com/2012/10/head-of-us-embassy-security-team-in-yemen-... Well it is just more important for Obama to play golf, and party and hang out with Letterman etc. than to get a good handle on the intelligence of what happened at the Embassy. So Obama want to the UN and made the US look stupid by talking about a video that didn’t have a thing to do with the attack. Obama presented a much distorted picture of what went on at the Embassy to the American people and the world leaders at the UN making him look like an idiot. Then Obama doesn’t have time to meet with world leaders, off to hang out with Beyonce and do another talk show. Congressional testimony seems to indicate that people knew this was a terrorist attack after 24 hours. Why the lying? Obama and Biden appeared too busy to ask for the facts? Are Obama and Biden to busy thinking we have to much freedom?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 06:55 am
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The truth about Embassy Security funding

Shrimp for breakfast-It appears that Clint Eastwood's depiction of Joe Biden “You're getting as bad as Biden. Of course we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democratic party. Just kind of a grin with a body behind it.” May be true. Here is the reality of the so called $300 million embassy security cuts http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1012/Vice-pres...

Truth Matters
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Truth Matters 10/13/12 - 07:08 am
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The debate

The greatest failure of this election has been the media not calling out Romney and Ryan when they distort and contradict their earlier positions. Now that a few journalists are finally stepping up and not letting them go unchallenged, it seems to their supporters that the media is being hard on Romney/Ryan. I have always accepted the people’s vote when an election is over. But to watch these two lie over and over again with such conviction and wrap themselves in the Bible and flag is nothing short of nauseating.

Ryan had last Thursday to convince me that I should not go ahead and cast my ballot on Oct. 15th for Obama/Biden. He failed. His hypocrisy is more than I can take: He requested stimulus funds but blames the Obama administration for passing the stimulus; he and Romney are on record endorsing stimulus programs under Bush; His party voted against funding for more security at US embassies; He is on record for wanting to privatize Social Security (my investment earnings were down during Bush’s recession, what if SS had been in the market?)…Romney has so many positions on Obamacare I can't keep them straight in my mind.

Newt Gingrich gave the best reason not to vote for Romney. He said that anyone who lies to become President can’t be trusted in the oval office.

BTW, if you want to see how unprofessional it looks for a journalist or moderator to interrupt, watch Bill O’Reilly or Bret Baier interview President Obama. But I never heard the president complain.

Techfan
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Techfan 10/13/12 - 08:04 am
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Of course high school

Of course high school debaters are also taught to use facts, something Romney and Ryan avoided at all costs.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 10/13/12 - 08:16 am
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I'd like to see Lou Dobbs

I'd like to see Lou Dobbs interview Joe Biden. All we would see would be teeth. Biden would show his to Dobbs who would come right back at him with an even bigger smile that went all the way to his third molars. They would keep getting closer and closer to each other, mouths chomping, teeth everywhere until their teeth actually started to scrape the others. I would have nightmares.

Techfan
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Techfan 10/13/12 - 08:34 am
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The Moonies and Pat Dollard.

The Moonies and Pat Dollard. WorldNetDaily and Newsmax off line?

americafirst
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americafirst 10/13/12 - 08:40 am
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Shrimp for breakfast, are you

Shrimp for breakfast, are you really buying the latest excuse from the Obama-Biden camp to excuse their incompetence? First it was totally unexpected eruption from a protest over a video, then it was they had no forwarning about the possibility of a terrorist attack and more securtity was never requested. When these two excuses were exposed as lies, they now claim it was due to budget cuts by republicans. Are they really claiming the US could not afford to protect its own embassy and ambassador? Then why the hell would they leave the ambassador and his skeleton crew in harm's way. Why didn't they get them out of there instead of leaving them there to be slaughtered? The Obama's administration's endless supply of excuses and lies are exposing them for what they are.

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omnomnom 10/13/12 - 08:51 am
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and both sides say they won

and both sides say they won this debate. ugh.

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EEreader 10/13/12 - 09:01 am
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Editorial

While I suspect a number of you will be voting democratic to avoid rewarding those who would rather do nothing (to make our President appear to be ineffective) rather than attend to the peoples' business (what they were sent to Washington to do,) you did a good job of supporting your publisher's position here so, I guess, you get to keep your jobs. The one percenters and the one percenter wannabes have their candidate. I'm voting for someone who advocates a balanced approach to eliminating our deficit while allowing needed programs to proceed. I'd wish you guys luck, but you don't need it. Regardless of who wins, you can sail off into the sunset with your boss on one of his yachts, have your martinis, and plot ways to discredit the democrats. Hopefully there will be enough of them in congress this time to carry on the business of the people without your help. They know what will happen if they try to accommodate you. They tried that the last time they had controlling numbers. The watering down that was done to the health care bill to try to accommodate you is now your issue. I agree with you on that one--it should not have been done.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 09:35 am
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Biden always says what he means!

Biden always says what he means, so I guess it really is true that the Obama-Biden team has buried the middle class for the last four years? Biden tells us the intelligence community could not figure out what happened in Libya for 11 days (Obama gave his UN speech chucked full of 1/2 truths and misrepreentations 11 days after the Libya attack) yet then Biden will tell you that this same intelligence community can figure out exactly when Iran will be able to produce nukes? Must be fun living in a liberal lala land which doesn't have to comport to logic. Now please tell us what lies Romney and Ryan have told. I will match you flip flop for flop flop betwween Obama-Biden and Ryan Gore. You go first! I'll wait!

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/13/12 - 09:27 am
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Techfan10/13/12 - 08:04 am

High schoolers are also taught to use specifics in their debates. Facts and specifics. Sorley lacking in the R/R ticket.

Their whole platform seems to revolve around "We'll tell ya what we're gonna do AFTER you vote for us and Obama bad".

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rmwhitley 10/13/12 - 09:30 am
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Let me
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see if I've got this right: obama killed osama but wasn't aware of any security risks at the Libyan embassy? I wonder if obama has the heads of Mr. Stephen's, and the three (3) other men killed in Benghazi, on his wall alongside bin laden?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 09:35 am
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Biden gets a Fact Check from the Catholic Bishops

Well Biden was wrong ( does this count as lying in the liberal discourse or did Biden just miss speak when he says what he means again?) about Obama care and birth control when he gave his heart felt statement that the Catholic Church Social Services won't have to provide abortion care! http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/oct/12/bishops-...

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 09:34 am
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Retired Army, Sorta like the

Retired Army, Sorta like the $1.2 trillion dollar health care bill where Nancy Pelosi said we'll have to pass it to know what's in it? Yep there is a panel and their decisions can only be over turned by a super majority from congress and there is no congressional over sight. It is so bad that even Barney Frank wants to get rid of it!

soapy_725
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soapy_725 10/13/12 - 09:54 am
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Romney and Ryan are designated LOSERS
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Sad to say this, but it is true. In our American fairy tale world of a two party system, someone has to be the "two". Last time it was the dynamic duo of McCain and Palin.

These are not debates. Just as "is is not is". Sex is not sex. Programmed questions and rehearsed answers without substance or facts. Smoke and mirrors.

This is why each side can be called on the same lies and extravagances. THEY ARE BOTH TO BLAME FOR THE SH__ WE ARE IN.

Carry at least one barf bag to the voting booth. Press a button and heave ho.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 10/13/12 - 10:19 am
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Poker face vs. Clown face

If you are negotiating and dealing with a potential combatant, which would you want handling the situation?

A clown, or the person with a poker face that keeps his cool and looks like he has his wits about him?

Last question:
Which one looked the fool?

Regarding Who Won
It depends on what you are looking for in a candidate doesn't it?
If you looking for persona Mr. Biden displayed, you'd think he'd won.

Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 10/13/12 - 10:07 am
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Gloria Borger is not a liberal,

and for you to assert otherwise, says much more about your own perspective.

Bruno
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Bruno 10/13/12 - 10:08 am
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If you were in the tank for

If you were in the tank for Obama/Biden you thought Biden did a great job. If you were in the tank for Romney/Ryan you thought Ryan did a great job. The VP debate is at best a sideshow and usually of no real substance. But keep chattering amongst yourselves while the Dem/Rep machine keeps chugging us toward the cliffs.

faithson
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faithson 10/13/12 - 10:17 am
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the same

been seein' ole Joe for over 30 years. The one thing I love about him is he NEVER changes... sure he is a politician and must make the deals. No different than any of his cronies on the other side.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 10:43 am
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Yep! Biden has a history!

The only difference between old Joe and others is because he is a Democrat he gets a pass. His Plagiarism of Kinnock speech lost Biden his run for president. Maybe that is why Obama likes him, he can create fables while looking so sincere! Sorta like "Dreams of My Father"! http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/t...

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/13/12 - 11:15 am
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Snark?

When the ACES doesn't have any substance to support it's biased opinions there is always the personal attack, which strangely enough is outlawed on these threads for us common folk. In house hipocrisy? Naw, not with an agenda driven bunch led by whomever.

Here's some substance for a change:

"The worst moment for Ryan came when they were talking about unemployment. Moderator Martha Raddatz asked how and when the jobless rate could be brought below 6 percent. Ryan gave a general answer about economic policy. Biden reminded viewers that Ryan had sent him two letters requesting funds from the 2009 stimulus package for businesses in his home state of Wisconsin — and said the money was needed to create jobs.

According to Republican dogma, the stimulus is supposed to have been a gargantuan waste of money that utterly failed to create jobs. That’s what Ryan preached — but not what he practiced. Until Raddatz changed the subject, Ryan looked pretty grim."

And then there is this can of worms for the Romney ticket:

"Biden pressed Ryan on his plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program. He pressed on Romney’s failure to specify what tax deductions and loopholes he plans to eliminate, in order to replace the revenue that would be lost through cutting income tax rates by 20 percent. Would the deduction for mortgage interest have to go, or perhaps the deduction for health-care expenses? Ryan resolutely — and embarrassingly — refused to answer."

You betcha Ryan refused to answer. I would too, if the only way my plan raise the needed revenue was to eliminate the mortgage and healthcare deductions now in place for middle class working folks. That's worse than evasion and for those who would say he didn't say he would, I have to respond, Can you do basic Arithmetic? It's the ONLY way Romney/Ryan can work! But then again what would common sense have to do with blind ideology?

And then there is this:

"Biden challenged Ryan on all his tough talk about foreign policy and the Obama administration’s alleged weakness. What would he and Romney do differently about Syria? What would they do differently about Iran? About Afghanistan? Ryan tried to bob and weave, but he came close to acknowledging the truth: Romney would do essentially what Obama is doing."

Obama administrations alleged weakness? Yeah, ordering the capture or killing of America's worst enemy since WWII and then getting the job done is weak? We need more of that kind of weakness.

I'll leave it to the reader as to where I got my quotes, but you can see that there is substance to be considered instead of the SNARK from the ACES.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 12:03 pm
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Yes Obama killed Bin Laden

Yes Obama killed Bin Laden but it appears the terrorist network he founded is doing quit well as evidenced by the destruction of the Libyan Consulate and the killing of the US Ambassador, (the first one killed in over 32 years), and the killing of the US security chief in Yemen. Now Obama told us that al Qaeda was “knocked back on its heels”. This doesn’t appear to be quit the case. Is the death of the security officer in Yemen a harbinger of things to come? Well Obama and Biden won’t have a clue as evidenced by the fact that they were kept in the dark about what happened at the Libyan Consulate for several days after the attack. Maybe if Obama attended a few security briefings he would have some idea of what he is talking about! Obama has missed over 60% of his security briefings. (On the 14th the leader in Libya told reporters there was no demonstration and this was terrorist attack by Al Qaeda linked organization). On the 25 of Sept. Obama was still claiming it was due to the video in a speech to the world and the US. Biden had no answer as to why economic growth rate is decreasing each year in the last three years. Biden offered no solution to the trillion dollars a year deficits they are piling up. Biden had no answer for job creation. Biden lied about the Obama tax increase affecting only those making over a million dollars a year . It will affect single fillers making over $200,000/ year and joint filers making over $250,000/ year. Largely unreported is the fact that the jobs report was cooked. The data from one large state was left out of the mix and other data had been left out of the calculations. So the 7.8% report is a cooked number! http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-business-labor-department-says-unemp...

carcraft
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carcraft 10/13/12 - 12:44 pm
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Biden was SNARKY-good discription!

Yes Biden was SNARKY, interrupted Ryan over 80 times and used weird body language! Biden was rude and over bearing. The problem for Democrats at this point is that they have to fire up their base AND try to get the independent voters. Biden was their best shot at firing up the base because the VP debates don't have as heavy a draw and Biden could get away with being a slang word for donkey. Obama has a much tougher row to hoe in the next debate because if he acts like Biden he will turn off independents, but if he acts like he did the last time he loses enthusiasm from his base. It is going to be fun to watch Obama try to thread that needle!

Conservative Man
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Conservative Man 10/13/12 - 01:18 pm
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Joe Biden ...

...is a pompous jerk.

swcohen
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swcohen 10/13/12 - 01:36 pm
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Too bad Shakespeare isn't running for office.

Snarky:

Adjective - Any language that contains quips or comments containing sarcastic or satirical witticisms intended as blunt irony. Usually delivered in a manner that is somewhat abrupt and out of context and intended to stun and amuse. Origin: Snark="SNide remARK".

- The Urban Dictionary

ACES would know lots about "snarky." I imagine that your personal copy of Strunk & White has a whole special chapter on how to cleverly offend half of your readers. This you do very well. Now, how about work on the "news" content of your newspaper... Not much of it in there these days. (An example of a "snarky" comment.)

dichotomy
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dichotomy 10/13/12 - 02:04 pm
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shrimp for breakfast......you

shrimp for breakfast......you really need to check your facts. The fact checkers have already called a FALSE on Biden on the embassy security cuts.

Ryan's proposed budget for 2014 would have cut the State Department's overal budget along with all other non-defense spending budget but did not specifically cut security. It was a PROPOSED budget. The State Department, currently operating on Obama's 3 years without a budget, elected to divert money from security to "green energy" programs and electric cars. Romney/Ryan had nothing to do with cutting any current funds from State Department embassy security. The lack of security in Libya falls squarely on Hillary Clinton and therefore Obama/Biden....unless they all pull an Eric Holder plead ingnorance.

Just because Biden talks loud and obnoxious does not mean he speaks the truth or knows the facts.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/13/12 - 02:58 pm
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dichotomy10/13/12 - 02:04 pm

"It was a PROPOSED budget."

So, only proposing the security of our embassies be curtailed let's Ryan off the hook somehow is the best arguement you can make?

Real weak in my estimation. But more importantly it seems to me that using a tragedy, such as the death of Americans to advance a political agenda is a sad state of thinking indeed.

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