What's really at stake

In VP debate, listen to who is telling the truth about nation's condition

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The two major political parties and the media always try to make presidential elections about the personalities of those running – and to a large extent, we go along with them.

So presidential campaigns become like student-government elections; whom do you like best?

This election is different. It has to be.

This time, we’re being asked whether to keep heading for the cliff or to turn away from it.

This election is not about personalities and parties. It’s about principles, ideas, the laws of economics and the facts surrounding America’s financial state.

In short, we simply cannot continue on the path we’re on.

We already owe more than any country in history, between $16 trillion in already-spent funds and some go to $100 trillion in promised future spending for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

With the United States borrowing 40 cents of every dollar the federal government spends, and Washington printing money to finance that binge, our very currency is at risk. At the least, it reduces our buying power and risks inflation or deflation.

What happens when lenders won’t lend us more? What happens if the currency crashes?

We may not want to imagine that, but we need not do so: The lessons are right there in history for us to look at, across centuries in which world powers spent themselves to decline or ruin. Rome, the Weimar Republic, Britain, Argentina and more killed or seriously wounded themselves with debt.

What makes us think we’d be any different? What makes us think we can suspend the laws of economics, any more than we can the law of gravity?

As it stands now, America’s fiscal house probably can’t be put back together for 15 or 20 years – and that’s assuming we get cracking now. That means a succession of presidents and Congresses united on solving our fiscal problems.

That’s assuming a lot. But we’ve got to at least first take the initial steps of admitting our problem, electing the problem solvers and then accepting the sometimes painful solutions.

If you want to get a taste of how difficult it will all be, just look at Western Europe. Few places on Earth call for more austerity, but the cutbacks in generous pensions and public benefits have inspired protests and riots and more. German Chancellor Angela Merkel was villified as Adolf Hitler recently in Greece for the Eurozone-inspired austerity measures there – even though it’s largely through the industry of German workers and German loans that some other European workers have enjoyed enviable lifestyles.

Is this the future we wish for ourselves and our children?

If not, we need to change course. Now.

Watch the vice presidential debate tonight with an ear for who is telling you the truth about the state of things in America.

Then consider electing candidates who not only will tell you the truth, but will actually do something about it.

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faithson
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faithson 10/11/12 - 10:31 am
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Politics is the ART of compromise vs Politics is a means to an end where compromise is the problem not the answer. How about a vote here, to express individual's attitude on this statement. thumbs up yes ART, thumbs down no compromise.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 10:06 am
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Jon Lester....Who has done

Jon Lester....Who has done their best to misinform people? Are you talking about the repeated, proven lies that Obama has has in his ads about Romney, or do you only count lies that Republicans tell?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 10:03 am
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Compromise? You mean like

Compromise? You mean like not even allowing a vote on a single Budget that the House has presented to the Senate? Is that the compromise you are talking about, faithson?

dichotomy
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dichotomy 10/11/12 - 10:15 am
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Bush Ain't Running

I hate to tell you "Bush did that" Democrats that we are not voting for George Bush in this election. We saw what Bush did. And now we have seen what Obama did. In 2010 we got the attention of the Republican party concerning SPENDING and TAXES. The candidate we are voting for this election is Mitt Romney who we HOPE was paying attention to the message we sent in 2010. We KNOW Obama was not paying attention to our message about SPENDING and TAXES and OBAMACARE so we are voting for Mitt and HOPE we get a little CHANGE in the direction of our current march to Socialism and the state of the FEW SUPPORTING THE MANY who keep demanding more from a shrinking pool of taxPAYERS.

faithson
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faithson 10/11/12 - 10:15 am
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Angie

Attack, attack, attack... so much like AM Radio and faux. It is the energy that these outlets give out that is bothersome. It is especially troublesome when the proletariat that listen take on the same energy, an energy that does not look for solutions, but only focuses on attacking. Not an energy I for one wish to entertain. Have a nice day.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 10:20 am
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"because it was his

"because it was his administrations failure to provide security."

Security costs money. Who controls the money? Congress. Who voted to cut the funding for embassy security? Representatives now wondering how American's were killed when they voted against providing the funds for security, like Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT).

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Jane18 10/11/12 - 10:21 am
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Who has the "audacity?

Yes, Jon Lester, the AC has "bold courage'' to inform us of candidates that tell the "truth", and of those that do not. If, and I find it very unlikely, they did misinform us incorrectly or unknowingly of something said or done by a candidate they endorse, they would correct it. With that remark of yours, it seems you are the audacious one. By the way, you didn't need to tell us of of your future voting intentions, we knew which side you "leaned" to......................

faithson
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faithson 10/11/12 - 10:27 am
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dichotomy

u do realize that republicans 'blew up the balloon of deficit spending' and then passed it along to the democrats. The only thing i can determine from the '10 election was a small group of 'extremists' got elected to 'pop' the balloon, not let the air out. This political cabal has brought to government an intransigence that is to the minds of many, even in their own party, corrosive and unproductive. I, like so many, realize the need for fiscal reform, reform being the prime word. Not a 'popping' that rational economists and social scientists say would be a disaster. Of course if your a fundamentalist and the second coming is on your agenda, this 'popping' is a good thing.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 10:33 am
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Does ACES not know that

Does ACES not know that Romney lies a great deal, while never sticking to anything- and his plans to fix things on fiscal level fail in basic math, and even common sense?

Repeal ObamaCare, but keep the good parts? How will you pay for it? Lower taxes, but increase defense spending? That's not fiscally sound. No change to Medicare, or Social Security? Those are very pricy. Close loop holes to pay for this? Which ones? Not any popular ones… oh, okay… Sounds like a plan worth endorsing!!

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 10:52 am
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faithson....who is attacking?

faithson....who is attacking? Just asking questions.....sorry if pointing out facts feels like an attack. And just what is faux? I know what the dictionary says, but I assume you find yourself clever and also feel threatened that Fox News presents all sides to a story instead of being in the tank for the liberals.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 10:53 am
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A healthcare plan that

A healthcare plan that requires 2 years of incomming taxes before the first benefit is paid out.....Sounds like a plan worth endorsing!!

So no comment on this mythical lie that Bush told that got someone killed?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 10:56 am
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dichotomy "u do realize that

dichotomy

"u do realize that republicans 'blew up the balloon of deficit spending' and then passed it along to the democrats."

And of course, the democrats were powerless to do anything but keep on spending.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 11:02 am
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"So no comment on this

"So no comment on this mythical lie that Bush told that got someone killed?"

Are you kidding me? Only a handful of people are holding onto the "Iraq was a good idea, and the intel was correct." Any info that would give pause to slowing the war machine from invading Iraq was dismissed.

In fact- that's the reason Obama is President, and not Hiliary. One supported the war, and one did not.

Oh, and it is not that someone got killed. It's that thousands of service members died. And hundred of thousands of Iraqis.

And of course, we put that war on a credit card, and still dont have a way to pay off that war- so it's a reason why our debt and defict is atrocious. Of course- we don't have the money to pay for care of everyone who served... which is going to cost more...

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:00 am
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So no lie?

So no lie?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:02 am
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“He has repeatedly defied UN

“He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He’s a bad guy.”

Barack Obama

I guess it's only considered a lie when Bush says it.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:03 am
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"Any info that would give

"Any info that would give pause to slowing the war machine from invading Iraq was dismissed. " OPINION, NOT FACT.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 11:17 am
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Calling someone a bad guy

Calling someone a bad guy does not mean someone started a war, or would start a war with a nation. There are a lot of bad people in the world. People on this board say worse things about Obama. Doesn't mean a war, doesn't mean people should die.

You can just google how Powell was used to start a war on false evidence. Like I said- people with credentials look back and say "Yep, all false." It’s all very in-depth and documented.

The Iraq war is a clear example of leaders lying, and people dying. That is not what has happened with Obama, even though claim a few times.

No comment Willard, and his lack of principles, and how whatever vague plans he put out will not help with the fiscal problems we have? No comment on how Congress members, Republican ones, voted against funding for embassy securities?

No one has comments on Willard and his lack of plans? Maybe his magic underwear will allow Americans to keep everything they want, while getting things they don't want like larger defense, lowering taxes, while keeping their deductions, AND having a balanced budget? No one has a problem with this?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:24 am
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Starting a war is not lying

Starting a war is not lying either. You said Bush lied.

Go to Romney's website and you can see his plans...pretending like there isn't one and repeating it is what Obama has been doing.

As for a balanced budget.....you have to pass a budget first. No one has a problem with THIS?

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:26 am
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TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 11:39 am
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Yes, Romney's website and

Yes, Romney's website and interviews say things- but the math does not add up. Can you account for how we can keep all the things we want, while lowering taxes, while increasing defense.

The answer is no. And it's not because you don't know any better- it's because what Romney is saying cannot happen. Show us the facts that it can. What are the numbers? Not opinions are wishful thinking, but FACTS!! Facts, real numbers. Where are they?

And this Iraq thing is done. Facts are there for you see how the country was misled into war based on lies, but whatever. Point is- Romney is using the same people to advise him. Point is- you cannot prove Obama lied which lead to the deaths of people.

So, in summery. Obama did not lie which caused the death of Americans. And you cannot validate/prove Romney wishful promises add up.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:44 am
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Again...you can't name a

Again...you can't name a single lie Bush told?

How does Obama's math add up? Increased debt and deficit spending brings down the debt how?

Obamacare costing over twice what he said it would cost? Funny you only criticize Romney's math.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 11:53 am
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"Facts are there for you see

"Facts are there for you see how the country was misled into war based on lies, but whatever. "

Show us.

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allhans 10/11/12 - 11:55 am
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Interesting reading the list

Interesting reading the list of Hussein's lies. (this is for Willard/Mittens)

Some of them I had forgotten. It's a shame we can't get the truth out....

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 11:59 am
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Two seconds of typing in google:

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-23/politics/bush.iraq_1_intelligence-fla...

ObamaCare costing twice as much. Not true: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamacare-twice-as...

And of course the debt and spending is going up. Lowered tax rates, with wars not paid for, SS and Medicare costing a lot- that's exactly the problem!!! Which of course, Willard wants to continue!!!

I am not an Obama supporter- the costs are going up. It happens when you factor in the wars and cost of care to service members returning home, something that was always left out in the budget of the previous admin. I'm not defending Obama on his fiscal problems.

Willard is being touted as the answer to our fiscal issues. And his vauge plans are even worse!! He wants to keep everything, increasing some other things, while lowering taxes. That is worse!!

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 12:05 pm
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Wow....since CNN said it, it

Wow....since CNN said it, it must be true. Nevermine that they have no proof.

This is hopeless. The FACT that tons of Uranium were found doesn't even matter.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 12:08 pm
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"Wow....since CNN said it, it

"Wow....since CNN said it, it must be true. Nevermine that they have no proof."

Says the person wh posted a CNN article only 29 mins earlier.....

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 12:22 pm
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I was a CNN article with

I referenced a CNN article with verifiable facts. Big difference. Someone simply re-stating your belief that Bush lied is not a fact. Uranium WAS shipped from Iraq....That is a verifiable fact. I'm sure you can find lots of yahoos who will claim they know Bush lied, but until they prove it, it's just that.....an accusation. Just because you or someone on CNN claims it, does not make it true.

I'm not belittling CNN as a source, just that the article you chose has no verifiable facts. Just other people claiming that he lied.

And if Bush lied...so did Obama.....He said the same thing.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 12:42 pm
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I just love how my 12:53 post

I just love how my 12:53 post has 2 thumbs down because I did nothing more than ask someone to back up their accusation. Facts and truth seem to terrify liberals.

TParty
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TParty 10/11/12 - 12:46 pm
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This is so obvious, I can't

This is so obvious, I can't even believe this lying is still in doubt. The Bush Admin themselves tried to lay blame on the CIA for the false evidence. Bush even said the biggest regret of his presidency was "the intelligence failure" in Iraq.

The reasons going into the war were wrong, and all based on lies. However the Bush admin pushed for it anyways. Again- this is all out there, it's not a secret, or a conspiracy.

The threat of Iraq was a lie. That is the lie. And thousands of people died because of it. Humans lives. Gone.

Angie H
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Angie H 10/11/12 - 12:57 pm
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"The reasons going into the

"The reasons going into the war were wrong, and all based on lies. "
"The threat of Iraq was a lie. That is the lie. "

Until you can prove it, you are making libelous accusations. Being wrong is not a lie.

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