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Strong debate showing confounds media, catapults Romney

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Two media narratives were exploded at the presidential debate Wednesday night.

First, that the race was largely over.

Polls, some of which tend to overestimate Democratic strength anyway, were giving the president potentially decisive leads in key swing states. But it seemed likely after challenger Mitt Romney’s command performance Wednesday night that those polls would tighten, if not flip to Romney’s favor.

Second, the debate proved Mr. Romney does not, in fact, have horns on his head or a foot in his mouth, as many in the media would like you to believe. His grasp of the issues was unassailable, his demeanor genteel and compassionate, his ideas born of common sense and American ideals.

Moreover, the traditional media spin on presidential politics just doesn’t work this time around: The “mainstream” media every four years rush to depict the GOP presidential nominee or vice presidential pick as somehow intellectually deficient. They can’t do that this time, with either Mr. Romney or his razor-sharp vice presidential running mate Paul Ryan.

Meanwhile, nearly every public observer of every political stripe, from pundits to focus groups, found Barack Obama uncharacteristically flat and ineffective at the debate. There weren’t necessarily any memorable one-liners, as there often are, so what may be remembered most from this affair may be what was unsaid: the body language. Romney appeared upright, forthright and engaging; Obama seemed downright downcast.

“I don’t know what he was doing out there,” lamented inveterate Democratic cheerleader Chris Matthews of hard-left cable network MSNBC. “He had his head down; he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it.”

“President Xanax just doesn’t cut it,” wrote The New York Times’ Charles M. Blow.

“You know how much I love the guy,” Andrew Sullivan wrote of Obama on the left-wing website The Daily Beast, “... and I can see the logic of some of Obama’s meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president ... Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn’t there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.”

And that’s from the president’s supporters. But most of the nation agreed. A post-debate poll by liberal network CNN found that an astonishing 67 percent of Americans saw Romney as the clear winner in the debate.

“No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland was quoted on CNN’s website.

Of course, the important thing is that the Romney “win” was in a debate of substance. Again, even Democratic-leaning observers agreed it was one of the most substantive presidential debates in the television era.

In addition, this debate was America’s first look at the two candidates on the same stage – unfiltered by media spin and unaided by prepared remarks.

No doubt the president’s camp will go on the attack next debate, and it could get personal. That may well backfire. The Obama camp would love to define Mr. Romney in its own terms – but America got its own look at the candidate Wednesday, and liked what it saw and heard.

Instead, we hope the president presents a positive, specific vision for his second term. Voters deserve to have something to compare against the one presented by Mr. Romney at the first debate.

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ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 10/05/12 - 02:16 pm
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Jobs Number
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If the administration was really cooking the books don't you think they could have come up with a better jobs number than 114,000. The BLS is specifically set up so politicians cannot influence their numbers. There is not a single political appointee in the place.

Evil Regal
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Evil Regal 10/05/12 - 02:22 pm
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Cobalt are you Rush Limbaugh
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Cobalt are you Rush Limbaugh under an internet user name? Your paranoid rants sound like they come direct from him.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/05/12 - 02:25 pm
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Unemployment

From diff sources:

"Sept. unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent due to an extraordinary – but implausible – estimate of 873,000 #jobs in household survey,” said Holtz-Eakin on Twitter.

“The report presented a slew of contradictory data points, with the total employment level soaring despite the low net number,” said CNBC's Jeff Cox.

The Washington Post's Neil Irwin adds, "Weird that payrolls are exactly on forecast but household survey is far better."

Evil Regal
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Evil Regal 10/05/12 - 02:36 pm
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I have no idea which Romney
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I have no idea which Romney to the Romney supporters will vote for.

Will they vote for the one who is going to lower taxes on the rich, the one going to lower taxes for everyone, or the one who will lower taxes for nobody?

Will they vote for the guy who insults 47% of the American People and then realizes he actually needs some of them and is hoping 10% of them are stupid enough to think he was sorry?

Will they vote for the guy who wants to kill Big Bird(.012 of the budget) but raise military spending(more than half of the budget we spend more than the next 12 countries under us COMBINED...do we really need to?)?

There are way too many Mitt Romneys to chose from.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson. At least with him I know what his views are and he continues to state the same views consistently.

Evil Regal
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Evil Regal 10/05/12 - 02:45 pm
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Also you all want to talk
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Also you all want to talk about Obama playing dirty well what about this guy?

http://kdvr.com/2012/10/05/denver-restaurant-owners-get-death-threats-ov...

See apparently he did not want Romney to stop in his work place while campaigning and apparently people on the Romney campaign have been giving him threats every since.

But I'm sure it's all just a liberal conspiracy to discredit Romney...or at least that's what the majority of you will try to say.

TParty
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TParty 10/05/12 - 02:45 pm
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As the numbers get figured

As the numbers get figured out, I'm still curious which Romney do people want? Liberal Gov. Romney, liberal debate Romney, or far right Ryan plan loving Romney?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/05/12 - 03:00 pm
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Again

Whichever one does't have a D next to it on the ballot.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/05/12 - 03:52 pm
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MeParty 10/05/12 - 01:11 pm

Yeah, If you can't answer the valid question, obsfucate. Works wonders don't it?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 05:43 pm
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By Obama's own estimates we

By Obama's own estimates we should have unemployment down to around 6%. We were told this to pass the stimulus bill. We were also told that unemployment would never reach 8%. It has taken the Democrats $800 Billion dollars and 44 months to get unemployment barely below 8% and Obama does a victory lap! WOW! The question is this going to lead to sustained decreases in unemployment or is it an anomaly? It seems that some of the jobs are temporary.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 10/05/12 - 05:57 pm
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Employment Numbers

So deep is the hatred for our President that Posters can't even bring themselves to be thankfull that almost 1 million Americans are now employed and able to feed their families.

Speaks of a bitterness that is beyond a God fearing human beings comprehension and is so very sad if not sick.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 06:15 pm
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Don't forget about the

Don't forget about the Lockheed employees who will be getting their pink slips after the election. Maybe Obama knew he had to manipulate the pre-election for several reasons.What a thug!

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 06:19 pm
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Retired Army, I am rejoicing

Retired Army, I am rejoicing that more people are working but government statistics suggest that these are temporary jobs. We have one month of good job growth and every one shouts joy with out even understanding what it means. As KSL said , what is around the corner. Remember Obama PROMISED unemployment would not reach 8% and projected below 6% unemployment now?

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/05/12 - 06:19 pm
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KSL

Got Mail

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 07:03 pm
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The company that Obama quoted

The company that Obama quoted in attacking Romney's deficit reduction plan is saying Obama distorted their findings. This debate really has been a disaster for Obama!

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 07:26 pm
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Thankyou, CG.

Thankyou, CG.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 07:26 pm
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carcraft

What's new?

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 07:52 pm
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Retired Army

After months of seeing the government have to adjust the numbers down after they have announced them, aren't you a little bit skeptical about the truth of the numbers announced after Obama's first debate?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 08:05 pm
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KSL, I post in the morning

KSL, I post in the morning before I go to work, I work 10 hour days so I don't get to post till in the evening. Not much. I though Romney did incredibly well. Romney has an excellent mind and great education, great experience and a good record. I love the libs saying Romney flip flopped then supporting Obama. Obama has back tracked or changed his position on everything from increasing the debt ceiling to how he attacked Libya, to gay marriage, to holding trials for terrorists in New York to closing GITMO to going around congress to hiring lobbyist to posting bills on the internet, . My heavens, Techfan accused me of having a cut and paste list. With Obama you don't need one; just think back a few years!

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 08:25 pm
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Car

That was probably the first presidential debate I have watched since Reagan and Carter. And I can't stand doing only one thing at a time. So I didn't watch as much as I listened.

Obama still hisses, but not so much as he used to. Jimmy Carter was crushed after losing the election and eventually went to work trying to involve himself actively in foreign policy, getting involved in Habitat and other things. I think he was somewhat of a narcissist. No telling what a defeated Obama will turn to. Research his having someone shopping for him for a retirement home in Hawaii.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 08:29 pm
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And thank you for your

And thank you for your efforts working 10 hours a day so the 47% can enjoy not having to pay Federal taxes and even get checks for having children they could not afford to pay expenses for.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 08:38 pm
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I just read where Obama Is

I just read where Obama Is AGAIN lying about Romney. How does Obama expect to have ANY credibility? Obama is saying Romney would keep the four billion tax cuts for oil companies! Romney never said that. Is Obama becoming unglued?

faithson
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faithson 10/05/12 - 08:38 pm
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hankygate is ON

looks like we might have a cheater ! and his name is NOT Obama.

faithson
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faithson 10/05/12 - 08:43 pm
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Car

this lying thing has to stop... we are dealing with politicians and very good ones at that. the use of such simplistic words only makes some arguments seem less creditable. Shading the truth... yea, but out and out lying... you know what i mean.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 08:45 pm
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And Obama doesn't lie?

And Obama doesn't lie?

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 08:47 pm
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Why has he locked up his

Why has he locked up his application to college (Occidental to start with)?

It's not his grades. It's his application.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 09:07 pm
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We knew of the gist of Bush's

We knew of the gist of Bush's grades, and those of Al Gore. What in the world is Obama trying to hide? His admitted laziness?

I, for one, do not want a glide by (if that is really the case), supposed most brilliant man in the room, to be my president.

I just wish one of his supporters would offer an expert explanation. If someone claimed my birth certificate was not authentic and I knew danged well it was, I would try every way I could to prove that I was, especially if I was pres. and I wanted a second term.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 09:13 pm
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Al Gore is pretty stupid,

Al Gore is pretty stupid, too. If flying at high altitudes affects one's ability to "think on his feet," then we are in deep trouble. Obama spends a lot of time in the air at high altitudes. Hopefully no important decision will have to be made after he has been on the ground for a mere 3 hours, or Heaven forbid, while he is on Air Force One.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 09:25 pm
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Wait, should we be attacked,

Wait, should we be attacked, one of the first acts may be to whisk away the P from Washington, should he actually be there. Air flight is one way. Now we know potus's can't deal with a debate after being so recently at high altitudes.

Perhaps potus's from all parties should be prevented from flying anywhere because high altitudes impair their abilities. We certainly don't want them to be impaired for hours should a real crisis come to this country.

Young Fred
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Young Fred 10/06/12 - 01:21 am
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Obama supporters run out of gas.

It must get somewhat tiresome after a time. What, with, trotting out the same old, decades old arguments, fooling yourselves, and trying so hard, oh, so hard to convince others that they should just vote for the man that exemplifies big brother knows best.

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