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Strong debate showing confounds media, catapults Romney

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Two media narratives were exploded at the presidential debate Wednesday night.

First, that the race was largely over.

Polls, some of which tend to overestimate Democratic strength anyway, were giving the president potentially decisive leads in key swing states. But it seemed likely after challenger Mitt Romney’s command performance Wednesday night that those polls would tighten, if not flip to Romney’s favor.

Second, the debate proved Mr. Romney does not, in fact, have horns on his head or a foot in his mouth, as many in the media would like you to believe. His grasp of the issues was unassailable, his demeanor genteel and compassionate, his ideas born of common sense and American ideals.

Moreover, the traditional media spin on presidential politics just doesn’t work this time around: The “mainstream” media every four years rush to depict the GOP presidential nominee or vice presidential pick as somehow intellectually deficient. They can’t do that this time, with either Mr. Romney or his razor-sharp vice presidential running mate Paul Ryan.

Meanwhile, nearly every public observer of every political stripe, from pundits to focus groups, found Barack Obama uncharacteristically flat and ineffective at the debate. There weren’t necessarily any memorable one-liners, as there often are, so what may be remembered most from this affair may be what was unsaid: the body language. Romney appeared upright, forthright and engaging; Obama seemed downright downcast.

“I don’t know what he was doing out there,” lamented inveterate Democratic cheerleader Chris Matthews of hard-left cable network MSNBC. “He had his head down; he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it.”

“President Xanax just doesn’t cut it,” wrote The New York Times’ Charles M. Blow.

“You know how much I love the guy,” Andrew Sullivan wrote of Obama on the left-wing website The Daily Beast, “... and I can see the logic of some of Obama’s meandering, weak, professorial arguments. But this was a disaster for the president ... Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn’t there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment.”

And that’s from the president’s supporters. But most of the nation agreed. A post-debate poll by liberal network CNN found that an astonishing 67 percent of Americans saw Romney as the clear winner in the debate.

“No presidential candidate has topped 60 percent in that question since it was first asked in 1984,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland was quoted on CNN’s website.

Of course, the important thing is that the Romney “win” was in a debate of substance. Again, even Democratic-leaning observers agreed it was one of the most substantive presidential debates in the television era.

In addition, this debate was America’s first look at the two candidates on the same stage – unfiltered by media spin and unaided by prepared remarks.

No doubt the president’s camp will go on the attack next debate, and it could get personal. That may well backfire. The Obama camp would love to define Mr. Romney in its own terms – but America got its own look at the candidate Wednesday, and liked what it saw and heard.

Instead, we hope the president presents a positive, specific vision for his second term. Voters deserve to have something to compare against the one presented by Mr. Romney at the first debate.

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Evil Regal
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Evil Regal 10/04/12 - 10:59 pm
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I give you that Romney won on
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I give you that Romney won on style, not content. He spent the evening simply denying the mathematical facts and some of his own previous statements. He promised everything to everybody, and categorically denied that anyone would suffer. He will spend MORE on the military, CUT taxes for EVERYONE (but magically make it revenue-neutral by taxing the wealthy more. Sounds pretty redistributionist to me), MAINTAIN Medicare and SS for anyone over 55, create MILLIONS of jobs and REDUCE UNEMPLOYMENT even as he shrinks the government by FIRING MILLIONS of government employees. And, of course, he'll BALANCE the budget on top of it all.

What Kool-Aid are you Republicans drinking?

Of the past 37 years, the incumbent president has always lost the first debate with the exception of Bill Clinton against Bob Dole and went on to win the presidency again. Once again, I would just advise you to watch the other two debates before getting too giddy.

Also, I have more questions about Romney's policies than I did before the debate. He gave no details as to how he'd give tax breaks like he's proposing without adding to the deficit or ending vital tax deductions for the middle class or hiking up the taxes on the middle class. This is from the independent Tax Policy Center - not the president.

Another big question: how would Romney keep all the "good stuff" about Obamacare and pay for it? He has yet to give any of these extremely important details. You can promise the electorate the moon, but where's the beef? HOW would he do these things?

"I was not responsible for what happened at Bain Capital" - Mitt Romney

"I was the Sole shareholder, Sole director, Chief executive officer and President of Bain" - Mitt Romney

"The Arizona immigration policy is a good model" – Mitt Romney

"I didn't really support the Arizona immigration policy" – Mitt Romney

“The Massachusetts healthcare plan should be a model for the nation” – Mitt Romney

“Healthcare reform should be left to the states” – Mitt Romney

"Let Detroit go bankrupt" -Mitt Romney

"I'll take a lot of credit for saving the auto industry" -Mitt Romney

“I believe Roe v Wade has gone too far.” – Mitt Romney

“Roe v Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” – Mitt Romney

“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” – Mitt Romney

“I never really called myself pro-choice.” – Mitt Romney

“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” – Mitt Romney

“I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and represent our country there.” – Mitt Romney

“I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” – Mitt Romney

“Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” – Mitt Romney

“I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” – Mitt Romney

"There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.” – Mitt Romney

“I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” – Mitt Romney

“I did not see it with my own eyes.” – Mitt Romney

“I would like to have campaign spending limits.” – Mitt Romney

“The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates without burdensome limitations.” – Mitt Romney

“I supported the assault weapon ban.” – Mitt Romney

"I don’t support any gun control legislation.” – Mitt Romney

willie7
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willie7 10/05/12 - 12:11 am
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Evil Regal, you hit the nail
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Evil Regal, you hit the nail on the head, Romney won the debate on style and not substance. He reminded me of the shouting preacher, whose members said Rev. surely preached this morning. And one asks, what did he preach about; I don't know but he really preached.

KSL
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KSL 10/05/12 - 01:48 am
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You guys are just upset that

You guys are just upset that your candidate has been so criticized for his performance.

Evil, what facts can Obama present that his plan works so far? How do you explain his wasted money on green energy? I could easily ask you more probing questions.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 10/05/12 - 02:22 am
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Specific Vision
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There is no doubt Romney won the debate. I would just like some specifics from him also instead of talking points.

Techfan
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Techfan 10/05/12 - 05:34 am
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Why no mention in the

Why no mention in the editorial of the fact checking of the debate?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 05:45 am
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Romney won on style? LOL!

Romney won on style? LOL! Obama didn't seem able to defend the truth about the 170 billion dollar Medicare cut. The only way the $170 billion can make it is if reimbursement is cut to Doctors and health care facilities. Doctors and healthcare facilities already reject Medicare patients because they have to have a mix that allows them to pay bills. So how is cutting compensation going to help seniors. That is one small point. Obama's deficit this year is 1.4 trillion dollars and Obama’s 4 trillion dollar plan to cut the deficit this time is more smoke and mirrors, Romney's plan while not perfect is closer than Obama's. Oh and by the way what has Obama done over the last 4 years, OOPS can't bring that up. Economic growth this year is less than last year and the unemployment is ticking up again. Where was Obama's substance and on that? Obama, I think marriage should be between a man and women. Oops I favor gay marriage. If you attack a country that is not an immediate danger to America without congressional approval that is an impeachable offense. Them Obama attacks Libya, the US Ambassador is dead and we are pulling out, another Obama flip flop that cost the US Ambassador his life and three other Americans.. Asking to raise the debt limit is a sign of moral failure and Obama opposed raising the debt limit and voted against it when Bush asked for one. When the Republicans ask for restrictions on Obama about spending to increase the debt limit Obama says they are holding America hostage. I will cut the deficit in half. OOPS on Lettermen Obama says the debt really doesn't matter because we owe ourselves the money. I can go on for hours like this. Trying terrorists in New York, Closing Gitmo, posting bills on line.

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 05:42 am
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Utranr- I would have liked

Utranr- I would have liked some specifics on the Health care bill to but according to Nancy Pelosi we had to "pass it to see what was in it"! Romney did present some specifics.

Techfan
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Techfan 10/05/12 - 05:56 am
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You left Solyndra out of your

You left Solyndra out of your daily repetitive whines. Did you accidentally erase part of your anti-Obama cut and paste?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 05:57 am
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I listened to NRP last night

I listened to NRP last night on the way home from work. NPR did an analysis of why Romney's deficit reduction wouldn't work. Nothing about Obama's deficit reduction smoke and mirrors and not watching the little man behind the curtain..The media is in full damage control for Obama, again. I wonder if Obama will get to have TOTUS next time so he can campaign in all 57 states and tell businessmen they didn't build that?

carcraft
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carcraft 10/05/12 - 06:00 am
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About the health care panel,

About the health care panel, it takes a super majority of congress to over ride it. Even Barney Frank thinks it is a dog ans should go. Obama simply didn't understand the power that panel is going to have and it was demonstrated in the debate. Of course we had to pass the law to know what was in it! The health care group Obama touted won't be able to creat innovations under Obama care and Romeny rightly pointed oout that it is a private group!

wayne2410
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wayne2410 10/05/12 - 06:01 am
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The first two comments sure
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The first two comments sure reek of jealousy and angst. Not that I blame them, Obama got his behind handed to him by Romney and no spin in the world will change that. Obama is an incompetent fool and it was so, so very apparent the other night, Romney is on his way, Obama is on the way out so he can crawl back under whatever rock he came from. Good riddance to him, he has all but ruined this country, probably on purpose. Put that in your pipe and smoke it liberals, all you can do is take it, and maybe ponder on it some as you are cashing your welfare check.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/05/12 - 06:27 am
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the left simply doesnt

the left simply doesnt understand simple economics and human nature..no they ignore it..govt spending sucks money out of the private sector..what we should be worried about is disposable income, defined by income over necessities of life.. when govt takes that money from any tax payer jobs and growth is lost.. when the middle class loses about 4 k worth of purchasing power over the last 4 years its no wonder we have no job growth...also look at the tax recieps to the IRS after major tax cuts they goe up...its not even revenue neutral ..growth spurs new revenue to the govt...but the left knows all this..its like when obumler was reminded that capital gain tax cuts actually created more revenue for the govt..his respnse its a matter of fairness..

Techfan
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Techfan 10/05/12 - 06:42 am
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And yet the top couple of

And yet the top couple of percent have increased their wealth, the stock market has doubled, and corporations have record profits. Meanwhile, the middle class has suffered and government revenues are down. Since we've been following the Bush tax cuts since 2001 with rates, especially at the top and capital gains and inheritance taxes down, the government should be overflowing with revenue and all that wealth should have trickled down to the middle class. The answer? Double down on cuts at the top so even more won't trickle down? Don't have Medicare and SS cuts for ages those over 55, because they'll vote GOP. Tag all of the increases on those below 55 (they'll have a good 11 years to sock away that extra $6k per year their health care will cost them. Make sure you purge as many blacks and Latinos from the voting roles while tagging impossible to follow voter id restrictions, that'll ensure a Romney victory (just ask Mike Turzai). Basically, rig the elections, then we can pay off the millionaires and billionaires who poured so much money into the GOP coffers. Oh, and then rig the Supreme Court so more money is more speech and corporations can stay people. Ah, the sweet smell of oligarchy.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/05/12 - 07:23 am
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Techfan

Sure would like to know what school you received your Common Sense Diploma from. It is no doubt it can't be an American school.

The argument on the ID requirement is the most asinine issue to ever be discussed. Everybody needs an ID for thousands of reasons and to say it is to prevent citizens from voting is simply "STUPID".

TParty
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TParty 10/05/12 - 07:34 am
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Yeah- Obama lost the debate.

Yeah- Obama lost the debate. Looking down all the time, being long winded, I can't recall anything the President said from the debate. Romney was aggressive and energetic and controlled the debate.

However what does this mean for the long run? The Etch-n-Sketch Romney on stage did not promote the same policies he had been running on, and supporting. The things Romney said on stage- does ACES and other supporters agree with? Because it’s a far cry from the platform he has since being the front runner. Hint: A lot of my liberal friends liked the things Romney said.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/05/12 - 07:46 am
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TParties liberal friends

"Hint: A lot of my liberal friends liked the things Romney said."

Good, maybe they will vote for him. Man. you guys are bitter. Well, actually scared.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/05/12 - 07:47 am
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Favorite Part

President Obama: "Jim, isn't it time to change the subject......PLEASE!

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 10/05/12 - 08:03 am
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Wow!!
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Some of you lefties sure are touchy, this morning. Take two (2) xanax and call dr. obama in the morning.

F4therTime
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F4therTime 10/05/12 - 08:04 am
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Reminds me of...
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A movie I saw where the incumbent is saying all these great things she will do if re-elected. When her challenger gets the chance to speak he says, "those are all great ideas governor and I agree with them, I agreed with them when you promised them in the last election". Obama wanted the job, made all these promises and has failed this country. He said himself he should be fired if he didn't balance the budget. I intend to help him with that one.

OpenCurtain
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OpenCurtain 10/05/12 - 08:08 am
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Obama was Owned By Romney

Plain and simple.
Spin it how you want to, in order to swallow it.

Obama was OWNED by Romney.

You can say; Obama was unprepared, arrived at the last minute, failed to take into account the nature of the debate, failed to consider the altitude, had poor information on a major issue facing him or used used the wrong debate coach.

All are examples how the country has been run the last 3.8 years.

Lack of planning.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/05/12 - 08:18 am
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What Do You Expect.

That is what you get when your main goal is the win a round of golf or wait 7 days before you say "Just A Bump In The Road" for deaths of Americans.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 10/05/12 - 08:28 am
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the left again is so

the left again is so misleading**they all decry the bush tax cuts as only for the rich yet they wont repeal the bush tax cuts because they favour everyone...it has reduced the tax burden for all even removing people from paying taxes and allowing some to use the tax code as another welfare program...so quit lying about the tax cuts...its getting old and stale

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 10/05/12 - 08:41 am
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To Think

that there are some so called Americans that still want King SMNCICBHO as president........long but worth knowing....

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/six-things-450-million-aid-egypt-wi...

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/05/12 - 09:10 am
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Specifics??? Obama ran on no

Specifics??? Obama ran on no specifics just "Hope and Change", which after 4 years we see no hope or change. Now after 4 years of failed economic strategies Obama is embracing Simpson-Bowles. Obama can't defend the economy by blaming other-4 years ago he promised to end deficit spending, balance the budget, blah, blah, blah. But he did just the opposite. Now all the Dems can muster is to call Mitt a liar, which is painting the kettle black (no pun or racial overtones intended) as Obama is also a bona fide liar. That seems to be a neutral point. I think people under estimate how much the general public hates govt interference and these debates demonstrate the clear choice of more govt intervention, increasing everyones taxes (not just the rich as Biden has hinted), and a larger federal govt (with no transparency) with Obama, and less taxes, less intrusion, less govt with Mitt. Mitt seems to embrace integrity and principal, whereas Obama embraces his ideology (with no care of integrity or principal). If the economy wasn't in the tank then social issues would rank higher in my priorities (and give Obama a boost) but it's the economy and jobs. Obama has a proven record of failure-we've been out of the recession the last three years yet job growth is still small although other factors indicate growth of the economy. Printing more money like Bernake does is just kickin' the can down the road.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 10/05/12 - 09:27 am
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Mitt is replicating Obama

Mitt is replicating Obama 08'. Remember Obama first played to his radical progressive followers and then played the center and a moderate (which he doesn't have a moderate bone in his body). Mitt has been playing the conservative base, but now will play moderate to garner independents. It's a prove strategy, NO?????

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faithson 10/05/12 - 09:44 am
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Who is that behind those Foster Grants ?

now this is one guy that can be all things to all people. saying it and saying it over and over 'must' make it true, no matter. A 20% drop in tax revenues across the board is somehow going to deal with our debt crisis ? Oh yea, you have to gut the social safety net and kill big bird, the medicine killing the patient comes to mind. Knowing how so many would love the 'killing the patient' thing, I can imagine the thumbs down on this one.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 10/05/12 - 09:55 am
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Oh yea, you have to gut the social safety net

Back that up with facts and you may get some "thumbs up".

allhans
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allhans 10/05/12 - 09:31 pm
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I like the critic that said

I like the critic that said the Clint Eastwood - empty chair routine now makes perfect sense.
Wed night we saw the reality.

TParty
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TParty 10/05/12 - 10:01 am
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JTF

The liberals liked idea Romney will keep the good things from ObamaCare, invest in education, clean energy, regulate wall street, and other things Romney said that night- which is not even close to the platform Romney has been running on.

My question to those who will vote for Romney- which one do you like? Gov. Romney, who raised taxes, created the mandate for health care, made stricter guns laws…. Or the far right Romney who is now an “extreme conservative” who picked Ryan because he loves Ryan’s budget- who later says Ryan is not running for President, so Romney does no longer need to support or agree with his budget…. Or the things Romney said on stage, which liberals enjoyed- but obviously don’t believe he means.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 10/05/12 - 10:05 am
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The left cries
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about the Bush-era tax cuts all the way to the bank. I haven't heard of georgy soros giving any of his wealth (that he made off of the backs of fellow Jews) back to the "poor". The left is all smoke and mirrors and no substance.

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