Two statements, two visions

Candidates' straight talk reveals where true compassion lies

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“It’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

– Barack Obama, in 2008, on the views of small-town Pennsylvania voters

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.”

– Mitt Romney, in May 2012, in a video shot at a
private fund-raiser

Let’s look at those two unguarded moments of the two men vying to be our next president.

The “mainstream” media want you to believe what Mitt Romney said is scandalous. They did not feel the same way about what Mr. Obama said in 2008.

But the truth is, Mr. Romney was speaking largely about facts and reality. Some 47 percent of Americans do not pay income tax. Perhaps coincidentally, Mr. Obama’s support in a recent Gallup Poll stood at 47 percent.

Mr. Romney is not “caught” on the hidden camera disparaging anyone. If anything, his comments – issued last May – are honest and have been proved prescient, and simply reflect the state of America.

Mr. Obama’s summation of small-town America, on the other hand, is an elegant, elitist diatribe filled with stereotypes and scattershot accusations of rage-filled racism among working-class voters. In one derisive bit of ridicule, he convicted wide swaths of America of
unalloyed xenophobia and hatred.

There simply is no comparison between the two. Yet, the national media are apoplectic about Romney’s statement.

Will the media find another Obama unguarded moment, from 1998, as captivating? In it, he admits, “I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution – because I actually believe in redistribution ...”

Oh, wait. That socialist sentiment didn’t much matter to the media in 2008 when candidate Obama talked with Joe the plumber about spreading the wealth around.

Romney’s statement actually reveals nothing new. His facts are well-known.

But lost in all this back and forth, and the media’s rabid reaction to the Romney video, is the fact that the candidates’ statements do reveal strikingly different visions of and for America.

Mr. Obama’s love of government is leading to record numbers of Americans becoming dependent on it – 47 million on food stamps, 9 million on federal disability – at a time when governments, here and worldwide, are dealing with dwindling resources.

Governments are collapsing from the weight.

Mr. Romney represents the more traditional American view – the one that made this country the strongest, most prosperous in history – that free individuals must be allowed to set their own course, unfettered as much as possible by the heavy hand of the collective.

At bottom, this election is about whether the American ideals of individual liberty and self-determination endure.

The current imbroglio between the two candidates could be instructive – if the national media let it – about the definition of “compassion.” Mr. Obama’s camp seems to think that feeding and encouraging dependence (they’ve actually advertised to get more people on food stamps) is compassionate. But destroying the work ethic and preventing people from realizing their God-given potential – often through adversity and hardship – is the opposite of compassion.

You’ll never hear that from media that are simply obsessed with getting this president re-elected.

America’s ability to handle straight talk is being tested. The early results are not promising.

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BloodySunday
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BloodySunday 09/19/12 - 11:17 pm
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While Mitt Romey may well

While Mitt Romey may well wish he had expressed himself more" elegantly" at the swanky Boca Raton fundraiser where he denounced half the voting population as shiftless, government - entitled moochers, he isn't backing away from those secretly recorded remarks - although what he said was entirely in accurate as well as obnoxious. The Republican presidential nominee sounds not only vulgar and arrogant but profoundly ignorant about the nation he hopes to govern." There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, " said Mitt" Whatever percentage of Americans plan to vote for the president, there is no plausible evidence that they all think of themselves as entitled to government benefits. Nor is there any evidence that all of Obama's supporters are in fact " dependent on government." And there is plenty of evidence that Romney supporters - like Obama supporters and like many Americans who will not vote at all - receive Social Security, Medicare,Medicaid,food stamps, unemployment benefits, housing vouchers, veterans benefits and other forms of federal assistance. The Republican - leaning moochers,as defined by Romney, can easily be found in the red states,( Georgia,South Carolina, Mississipppi, Arkansas, West Virginia, Missouri,Oklahoma, and Alaska to Kentucky) which contribute far less in federal taxes than they receive per capita benefits. Roughly the same dispensation exists across much of the old Confederacy, where white voters in lower income brackets will faithfully vote for Romney despite his sneers at them.

burninater
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burninater 09/20/12 - 01:52 am
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Doubling down on a statistic

Doubling down on a statistic that says more about American tax exemptions than the American work ethic, huh? I'm not sure that willfull stubbornness has ever been much of a virtue.

But I understand. When you are taking the stance that anyone who didn't pay federal income taxes thinks they are an entitled victim -- a group that includes some of the 1%, small business owners that had a year of losses, active-duty soldiers in a combat zone, middle class workers frugal enough to max out their IRA while paying a mortgage and raising a family, low-income seniors, factory workers that have worked every day of their adult lives until their job was offshored -- when you are taking the position that people like these are part of the socialist gimme gimme freeloaders of America that don't deserve the attention of their President, then I'm not sure there's much else you can do.

I don't know that it says anything about guns or religion, but it sure does say a lot about using bitterness and antipathy to try to explain one's frustrations.

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 02:07 am
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Romney made a gaff, Pure and

Romney made a gaff, Pure and simple. How does that square with the press helping Obama cover up the truth about the attack on the American Embassy in Libya? Obama officials are slowly walking back their claim that the death of the Ambassador in Libya was not a terrorists attack but a demonstration gone out of control. ! The Obama administration admitted in Congressional testimony it was indeed a terrorist attack. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/top-administration-official-s... So why is Obama lying to America? Why didn’t the Ambassador have better protection? Who was providing the security? Why didn’t the Obama administration look into the Libyan Government telling them 3 days before the situation in Libya was deteriorating?

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 02:06 am
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Burninater The statistics

Burninater The statistics don't work out, it was an off the cuff remark and not literal but it does bring into questi0n the thinking of many Americans like Sandra Fluke who will make upwards of $100,000 dollars when she graduates. Why should middle class hard working Americans pay for her birth control? Why is she entitled to that privilege? She is going to an elite law and is very fortunate. Fluke is the poster person for Romney's sentiment about the gimmee class and they are a core base of Obama supporters!

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 02:13 am
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Of course facts like the new

Of course facts like the new CBO estimate of Obama care says that 6 million Americans, mostly middle class will face a tax increase under Obama care will get little mention in the news! http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_21586594/6-million-americans-wi... / Just so elite law school student's like Fluke can get birth control because they are "entitled"!

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 02:24 am
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Then there is the fact that

Then there is the fact that On David Letterman night before last Obama didn't know what the national debt was and said it was mostly money we owed ourselves. It really doen't mean much in the short term, of course higher prices for good and services etc in the futrue translates into inflation but never mind that! Th little people can deal with it later. It is more important we keep adding to that debt so folks like Fluke can get birth control. Will the projectd cost for Obama has increased from the original $900 billion to 2.6 Trillion! But don't worry Obama realizes people like Fluke are "entitled" to free birth control! http://news.yahoo.com/estimated-cost-obamacare-now-2-6-trillion-nearly-0...

burninater
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burninater 09/20/12 - 03:01 am
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Carcraft, the CBO numbers are

Carcraft, the CBO numbers are an estimation of how many people that can afford to buy their own health insurance will still refuse to do so under Obamacare, and will therefore face the tax penalty.

This is the whole point of the individual mandate, and it's the reason why Republicans originally called for the individual mandate: if you can afford health insurance, but choose not to pay for it with the expectation that the taxpayer will foot the bill when you get sick, then freeloader time is over. Pretty simple really.

Oh, and the individual mandate had no more to do with Fluke when the Republicans, and Romney, first came up with the idea, than it does now that the Democrats actually got the bill passed.

burninater
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burninater 09/20/12 - 03:01 am
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Also, that $2.6 trillion

Also, that $2.6 trillion dollar Obamacare cost you just threw out is a CLASSIC half-truth. Republican Senate budget members cite total GROSS spending, not NET -- they COMPLETELY ignore the revenue offset projections resulting from the law. The 10-year CBO estimate of NET spending is $1.17 trillion through 2022. Table 4 of the report the Senators cite shows the net costs.
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/43472-07-24-...

Why the Senators did not report this, unless they deliberately sought to lie and mislead, is beyond me.

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 03:37 am
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Brninator- Sorta like Obama

Brninator- Sorta like Obama lying and misleading on Libya? LOL Can you deny that the cost of Obama care is continueing to rise and that the $2.6 trillion cost is more realistic than the $900 billion? Any thing like the lies and attempts to miss lead from media matters? Say you still haven't explained to me why an elite school law student like Fluke is entitled to free birth control. A least you do admit the cost has increased fromm the lie of $900 billion to $1.17 trillion and rising!

Techfan
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Techfan 09/20/12 - 05:12 am
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Nine of the ten states with

Nine of the ten states with the largest percentage of nonpayers are in the South and Southwest. In Mississippi, 45 percent of federal tax returns remit nothing or receive money with their federal tax returns; that is the highest percentage nationally. Georgia is next at 41 percent, followed by Arkansas at 41 percent, and Alabama, South Carolina, and New Mexico at 40 percent. http://taxfoundation.org:81/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers...

carcraft
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carcraft 09/20/12 - 05:32 am
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Tech fan the south just

Tech fan the south just realizes that if the federal govenment is going to waste money some should be wasted here and we don't have scam artests like Solyndra executives and Fisker Mortor executives to get money so we have to rely on a little southern ingenuity. Say have you seen the Fisker Nina that was supposed to be built in America with the $ 600 million dollar Dept of Energy loan? Uh neither have I...It was supposed to be out this year...LOL

Techfan
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Techfan 09/20/12 - 05:54 am
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Gee, haven't heard you

Gee, haven't heard you comment about Solyndra before. Taxes-Solyndra. Military spending-Solyndra. Bombing other countries-Solyndra. Healthcare-Solyndra. It's raining-Solyndra. It's sunny-Solyndra. Only 2.540 hits on Google, it seems like more.

Insider Information
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Insider Information 09/20/12 - 06:12 am
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Gaff? Nope

It was no gaff. Sorry that people get offended by the truth.

I am the 53 percent.

I "occupy" a job.

robaroo
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robaroo 09/20/12 - 06:56 am
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Media Bias?

Want to talk about media bias? Why are there only "two" visions? The media don't cover any parties other than the Republican and Democratic parties.

Can you name the presidential candidates from those parties? Can you say what their platforms are? Can you even name any of the other parties?

Hint: google the Libertarians and the Green Party.

hotsaucemom
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hotsaucemom 09/20/12 - 07:00 am
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How can a guy have so much

How can a guy have so much money, yet he's so dumb? I never seen a campaign run as poorly as Romney's. I'm appalled at what I seen and heard from the Republican's, they can't even extract themselves from Limbaugh and Hannity, these guys are running their campaign. It is absurd. Mitt doesn't get it. Americans are kind of people who take care of the seniors. Mitt is looking at the greatest landslide defeat in American presidential history. Mitt,American just isn't into your cold,robotic,hatred.

grouse
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grouse 09/20/12 - 07:29 am
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"You’ll never hear that from
Unpublished

"You’ll never hear that from media that are simply obsessed with getting this president re-elected." Well, I have heard from Republican Congressmen their obsession to see that Obama is a one-term President at any cost...

allhans
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allhans 09/20/12 - 08:27 am
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Looking at the vast numbers

Agreeing with carcraft above....
Looking at the vast numbers that have joined the ranks of unemployed and poor..I can't worry too much about at fundraising meeting where Romney says what we already know, That the country is divided-
I am much too busy worrying about the 16 trillion dollars of debt that Obama carelessly tossed off on Letterman last night. He said he didn't know the amount of debt and that we need not worry...what an absolute jerk...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/19/obama-no-need-to-worry-about-16-trilli...

Let's stop worrying about which side is right and worry about the state our country is in. Obama is wrong...We should worry.

allhans
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allhans 09/20/12 - 08:32 am
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burniater..If a person is

burniater..If a person is working but still can't afford to buy insurance, guess what..the government will send you vouchers to help you out. VOUCHERS, YEP! NOw I don't know all the qualifications for getting this helping hand...can you get a voucher even though you drive a nice car, own a cell phone, have top of the line flat-screen TV with full cable acccess...and on and on..I don't know, do you?

allhans
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allhans 09/20/12 - 08:36 am
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grouse..only Mitch McConnell

grouse..only Mitch McConnell made the remark about the one term. HIs words were to the effect that if Obama continued to refuse to work with them, then he should be a one-term president. Look it up. Several Democrats have apologized to McConnell after reading the full sentence and not just an edited sound bite.

faithson
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faithson 09/20/12 - 08:40 am
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say what you will...

Mittens is a very poor politician, period. One can see his corporate abilities, but they have not translated into a competent politician. Much of what I read indicates his demise on the campaign trail is of his and his cronies own doing. There are to many ineptitude's to mention here, but I know many of my republican friends are rolling their eyes at what they will in the end have to vote for in November.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 09/20/12 - 08:57 am
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uncanny

Actually what Romney said was true. It might even be higher than 47%. My friend is a Doctor who treats medicaid patients and those who cannot pay. I stopped in to say hello the other day and one lady was angry that it was taking so long to see the doctor. I couldn't believe that someone getting free medical services was angry because she wasn't being seen fast enough. I must admit her hair and nails were done up in high fashion. It never ceases to amaze me how people can't afford a can of vienna sausages but they have money to pay their hairdressers and nail salon people.

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 09/20/12 - 09:15 am
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Some of you lefties
Unpublished

choose to forget the ghetto's where massa obama is doing his fundraising. hollywood mansions, Tyler Perry's ghetto digs in Atlanta, the slums of Miami. Convenient memories. Everyone of you have your hand in someone else's back pocket. You should be ashamed of your self. If you wish to share the wealth, castro has plenty of room in cuba after the Mariel (sic) boat lifts. They have plenty of "share the wealth". When obama donates his stash, I'll believe he's the God you have made him. Remember Nero? Remember the former Roman empire? Those of you screaming for obama's re-election are one of the following: a gubmint employee, union worker, on assistance, disability, didn't graduate from high school, an "entitled" minority, a gubmint retiree, an illegal alien not required to produce photo id, an actor, member of the left-wing media, a draft-dodger per slick willie clinton, a person with sub-prime credit (who BEGGED for a mortgage loan) who didn't qualify but because of the frank-dodd (dems) act were given one by the lender with full knowledge they would not make the payments and now want the house for free, the drunk on the street corner picked up by the church bus on election day and given his/her liquor reward for the "correct" vote. I could go on but my fingers are tired.

faithson
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faithson 09/20/12 - 09:17 am
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effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 09/20/12 - 09:19 am
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those taxes....

For Mike ("So sad") Ryan and ACES, the desperation is really beginning to set in. "So sad!" About those 47% who pay no federal taxes. Almost all of them pay one or more of the following:

Social Security taxes
Medicare taxes
State taxes
Local taxes
Sales taxes
Real estate taxes
Automobile taxes
School taxes
Telephone taxes
Gasoline taxes
Alcohol taxes
Tobacco taxes

When those taxes are all totaled, the average non-federal tax payer actually ends up paying a larger percentage of his or her income
in taxes than the wealthy. This is an undeniable fact, although you will never read it in a Mike Ryan editorial.

Furthermore, much if not most of the responsibility for lowering the tax rate on the poor to almost 0% can be traced to the "broad-based" tax cuts of Reagan and Bush ll. Proof? When Ronald Reagan signed into law the Tax Reform Act of 1986, he boasted, “Millions of the working poor will be dropped from the tax rolls altogether, and families will get a long-overdue break with lower rates and an almost doubled personal exemption.” Conservatives, pay attention here. That was your hero Ronald Reagan speaking.

So this ACES piece is basically a dishonest and disingenuous political smear, a smear tainted with the odors of desperation and growing fear.

allhans
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allhans 09/20/12 - 10:57 am
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In the past posters

In the past I have seen posters go ballistic when we called Obama Hussien or some other nickname, yet I see "mittens" used often when referencing Romney.
More liberal bias, huh?
Okay... back to talking about Hussien.

ADAMS
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ADAMS 09/20/12 - 09:47 am
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Mitt,Thanks for letting us

Mitt,Thanks for letting us know you want to be president of the rich,but not the rest of us.

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Jon Lester 09/20/12 - 09:49 am
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Only one thing is wrong with your 1998 quote:

Redistribution simply hasn't happened under Obama. Corporate profits (and executive pay) are at record levels, yet wages have remained stagnant. You keep trying to convince people that the president is some kind of socialist, but those of us paying attention to how he's actually governed have reason to question if he's even a liberal.

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longleafpine 09/20/12 - 09:58 am
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Hey, Pal

Right on about hotsaucemom. Not only about the gtammar, etc., but the cold, robotic hatred seems to be coming from Obama supporters.

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