Unplanned? Unlikely

Obama camp's explanation of Libya attack increasingly suspicious

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More than one observer has noted how sad a day it is when the head of Libya appears more believable than the American White House.

The Obama administration this weekend was insisting that the assault on the U.S. consulate in Libya that killed an American ambassador and three others was nothing more than a spontaneous mob lashing out at a YouTube video about the prophet Muhammad.

Right. This spontaneous protest came complete with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades – and the heavily armed mob just happened to storm the consulate simultaneously from three directions, a la a military assault.

Sorry, but the more details that emerge, the more the White House’s story smells like a fish market.

Also calling into question the administration’s “spontaneous” theory is this from CNN: “Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.”

And Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif flatly declared, “The idea that this criminal and cowardly act was a spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.”

It’s possible they’re both partially right – that there were organic protests about the anti-Muhammad video, but that al-Qaida or other organized terrorists used the cover of the protests to attack – on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, no less. But if so, that too would debunk the Obama administration’s stated claims of a wholly unplanned blitzkrieg.

If the administration is indeed whitewashing what it knows about the Libyan assault and murders, then it is dishonoring the memories of the dead, while failing to learn from what appear to be obvious catastrophic failures in intelligence and security.

Even if the administration were correct, it was still caught with its guard down – in a very dangerous, unstable country. And on Sept. 11.

It will be fascinating to see to what extent the “mainstream” media give the administration a pass on all this. Can you imagine the media firestorm had this sort of fatal miscalculation happened on George W. Bush’s watch? It would’ve been labeled a foreign policy “Katrina.”

The Libyan president argues that the attack bears the imprint of al-Qaida. You have to wonder if the Obama administration is overlooking that possibility as dismissively as it did the warnings beforehand.

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Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/18/12 - 08:37 am
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Print Edition

Yeah, I read it. But many of the posters here do not read the print edition.

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Bantana 09/18/12 - 08:39 am
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i never said the attacks were

i never said the attacks were not coordinated. in fact i never commented on that. in this particular thread.

more to what I did say: i merely remarked that McClatchy is a jerkwater news operation that's in the tank for mr. morris and 1500 nukes are more than enough to do the "job".

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/18/12 - 08:39 am
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Going out on a limb

To all you lefties who rant against ACES, here's a hardhitting quote for you from NewsMax :

Clearer differences may emerge as the campaigns proceed, but right now the polls indicate that the 2012 presidential election will not be won in a landslide.

Bantana
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Bantana 09/18/12 - 08:45 am
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and i have no insight as to

and i have no insight as to the subtlties of foreign policy-speak. i'll leave that up to the state department and those that know a heck of alot more than i do about what is really going on. no doubt there was an element of organization by perhaps a couple of dozen and maybe even a couple of hundred or tens of thousands of protestors. but i will say that us folks need to calm down and let the state department handle a very complex situation that requires a bit more finesse and thought than any of us could bring to the problem with some such simple minded populist solution such as, "drop the hammer" on 'em.

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carcraft 09/18/12 - 08:48 am
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Bantana, McClatchy appears

Bantana, McClatchy appears to be correct in their analysis of what occurred in Libya, so your telling me the only place you will get your news is from a news source you deem to be reputable , and even if foreign news sources and other evidence points to the fact that these news sources you relay on are tainting the evidence and spinning for a politician ?

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carcraft 09/18/12 - 08:54 am
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Bantana, There was no

Bantana, There was no demonstrating, as reported by the person who owned the property the Embassy was on. The rescuers reported running into heavy coordinated cover fire. The President of the country reported that this was a terrorist attack. The Libyan Special Forces and American rescue team felt this was a well-organized terrorist attack. This has been reported by The British Paper the Telegraph, by McClatchy news service and several news outlets. You do not have to be a foreign policy specialist to realize that the Obama administration is lying to the American public and the World!

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Fundamental_Arminian 09/18/12 - 09:15 am
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A call to be calm

    "but i will say that us folks need to calm down and let the state department handle a very complex situation that requires a bit more finesse and thought than any of us could bring to the problem with some such simple minded populist solution such as, "drop the hammer" on 'em" (Bantana).

Yes, our government's investigation may produce some surprising findings, as when the Fort Hood massacre by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan in November 2009 was found to be nothing more than workplace violence.

Surely it was nothing more than coincidental that the recent violence in the Middle East took place on the 11th anniversary of 9-11. The real cause will no doubt be found to have been YouTube's release of the "Innocense of Muslims" video on July 1. Cooler heads at the State Department simply need time to conduct their investigation, and we want to be calm and coherent when time comes to cast our votes on election day.

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Bruno 09/18/12 - 09:18 am
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Close all Libyan embassies in

Close all Libyan embassies in the US. Deport everyone in them. Close all trade and embargo/blockade them until they get their house in order. Let the sane ones weed out the crazies. Then eventually talk to the sane ones.

I think that the point of the article was that the picture that the administration is attempting to paint is dubious at best and an outright lie at worst. Either way, given the accounts by those on the ground and those in the Libyan government it certainly wasn't a simple protest gone awry.
Those fully in the tank for Obama will excuse anything he does or says away and those fully in the tank against him will see nefarious conspiracies in everything he says or does. I believe that he is the singular most polarizing President in history.

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harley_52 09/18/12 - 12:04 pm
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Angie H said....

"How many "spontanious protesters" bring rocket propelled grenades to a protest?"

Exactly.

And how many bring heavy mortars?

And machine guns?

And how many can spontaneously coordinate the fire of the indirect fire weapons to cease fire when the ground attack commences?

And how many spontaneous protestors know precisely where is the "safe house" where the Ambassador is hiding?

And what are the chances that the "spontaneous," coordinated, heavy weapons attack just happened to occur on the 11th anniversary of 9/11/01?

Just who is bull* who around here?

Angie H has it right, as usual.

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Angie H 09/18/12 - 09:30 am
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That was me....not Jane. But

That was me....not Jane. But thanks for noticing.

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Freeatlast 09/18/12 - 09:32 am
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To Be President, Romney must

To Be President, Romney must first be truthful. Presidential campaigns sometimes turn on big moments that help voters ponder the central question they have about every challenger: what would this person actually be like as president? These aren't the same as gaffes, which are slips of the tongue that may be politically damaging but say little about the candidates except that they misspoke. I'm talking instead about critical moments of miscalcalation - often made in desperation - that illuminate important truths abot a politician. In 1964, Barry Goldwater orderly defended extremism. In 2008, John McCain suspended his campaign to work on the economic crisis and then offered no solutions for it, They all lost. Now we have Mitt Romney, with astonishingly poor timing, trying to profit politically from tragic events in the Middle East. His remarks on Libya and Egypt at a news conference in Jacksonville, Florida, might hurt his chances with pivotal independent voters in November. But we do know that he has managed to be stimultaneously unpresidential, untruthful and unwise. On the morning of Sept. 12, the world learned of the death of Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the first U.S. ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979. Steven died when terrorists attacked the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya. At the same time, angry mobs breached the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. The obvious and proper posture for a serious presidential candidate at that moment of shock and sadness would have been to show the country he could inhabit the role of mourner - in - chief, an important part of being president. Vows of justice are also welcome. Even if Romney couldn't compete with President Obama on this terrain, he needed to at least appear to be above partisn politics for a day or two. Instead, Romney doubled down on a scorching statement issued the night before by his campagin that said " It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." In Jacksonville, Romney compounded his campaign's slur with one of his own. " I also believe the Obama administration was wrong to stand ny a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt instead of condeming their actions, " he said. Accusations that the Obama administration is somehow " sympathizing" with terrorists are false and, well, pathetic.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/18/12 - 10:22 am
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"Let the sane ones weed out the crazies."

Don't hold your breath on that one.

Of the 1.6 BILLION muslims on earth, how many are the "sane ones?" Does anybody know? Fifty percent? Sixty percent? Seventy? Eighty? Everywhere you look there are violent demonstrations in progress? What percentage are the "sane ones?"

Though I don't believe it, let's say that ninety percent are "sane ones." That still leaves 160 MILLION "crazies." That's a lot, don't you agree?

And why don't those "sane ones" rise up and quash the "crazies?" Because it turns out the "sane ones" don't like getting their heads sawed off, or their families tortured and slaughtered by the "crazies" any more than the next guy. They're terrified of the "crazies" who rule by terror and intimidation. In some cases (like Egypt and Iran, for example) the "crazies" have direct control of the government. In other cases, the "sane" government is frightened and intimidated by the "crazies."

Somebody is going to have to deal directly with the "crazies" in the only language they understand. Overwhelming military power.

Sadly, we lack the guts, the will, and therefore the ability to deal with the threat posed by radical islam. Unless things change quickly, we are a doomed society.

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Fundamental_Arminian 09/18/12 - 09:38 am
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Is smoke from U.S. flags safe to breathe?

    One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling unwell from the smoke from US flags burnt at the rally.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/pakistan-islamic-supremacist-leader-warns-the-us-must-make-a-law-against-blasphemy-or-we-will-not-le.html

If flag-burning is protected as a form of free speech, maybe we need a new government agency specially assigned to ensure that smoke from U.S. flags is safe to breathe. Does Obamacare cover this?

harley_52
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harley_52 09/18/12 - 10:23 am
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"That was me....not Jane. But thanks for noticing."

I sincerely apologize for that mistake. I know for sure it was you and I have no idea why I typed Jane 18 except that she, like you, usually has these things nailed.

I'm sorry my brain was elsewhere as I was typing.

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Angie H 09/18/12 - 09:38 am
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"To Be President, Romney must

"To Be President, Romney must first be truthful."

Really? If it wasn't required for Obama, why the new standard?

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john 09/18/12 - 09:39 am
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the story

It reminds me of then Senator Clinton's famous line. If we are to buy the story being told by the administration, we have to willfully suspend disbelief.

Angie H
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Angie H 09/18/12 - 09:40 am
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"Accusations that the Obama

"Accusations that the Obama administration is somehow " sympathizing" with terrorists are false and, well, pathetic."

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Barack Obama

Untruthful? Pathetic? no.................. TRUE!

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Sean Moores 09/18/12 - 09:47 am
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@ bantana

McClatchy isn't owned my Morris Communications. We subscribe to their news service (they bought out the old Knight Ridder service) like many newspapers do.
http://www.mcclatchy.com/2006/05/23/179/overview.html

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rmwhitley 09/18/12 - 10:11 am
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Unpublished

of your diatribes against the Augusta Chronicle, Fox News or any of the honest reporters of current events. You were liars before, are now and apparently always will be. slick willie clinton was impeached for lying and obama, schumer, gilliland, pelosi, rangel, reid and company are as prolific in mangling the truth. teddy kennedy killed a woman ( this is for women's libbers and n.o.w. members ) while on a rendezvous, while married with children and one child who would have cancer shortly after. he lied. Your boy, lbj escalated a war in a country that had nothing to do with America, Killed more than 58,000 AMERICANS and for what? his ego. The democratic party has a long history and a deep history once proud but now clouded in deceipt and subversion. I'm one of the fortunate ones. I won't live through obama's 2nd term but my nieces, nephews, grand nieces and grand nephews will have to figure a way to survive. obama's future is for gay's, blacks and illegal aliens and NO National security.

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Bizkit 09/18/12 - 10:19 am
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From what I've read the

From what I've read the Libyan people praised "God" when they found the ambassador alive. The people in general really loved and respected the guy. The violence seems to be from another group than the local population whatever the case. Further if this idiotic movie did precipitate the violence are we to be apologetic for the fact we have freedom of speech and freedoms in general? I think the focus shouldn't be on the movie per se but the arab cultures fascist attitude towards freedom. If we suppress freedom for political correctness or to placate the arab world we've lost our own freedom and the war on terrorism. Are we to be terrorized into submission?

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Bizkit 09/18/12 - 10:28 am
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Clearly the Obama has been

Clearly the Obama has been giving mixed messages related to all this which demonstrates a lack of coordination and order. This has precipitated the general view that Obama's warnings and threats are just like a professional wrestler and just a bluff and a wink.

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itsanotherday1 09/18/12 - 10:29 am
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There you go again Lefties!

Can't debate the facts, so go after the messenger. Y'all are more predictable than the AC.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 09/18/12 - 10:31 am
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Opinion

Freeatlast called untruthful Romney's statement about the embassy protests/attacks. Here's what he posted:

Instead, Romney doubled down on a scorching statement issued the night before by his campagin that said “It's disgraceful that the Obama administration’s first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.”

If you apply the truth meter to the statement you can see that the second part about what Obama actually did is factual. The Obama State Department's first response was to issue that statement sympathizing with the embassy "occupiers." The first part of the statement (the part about Obama's response being "disgraceful") is merely Romney's opinion (as well as mine and many others) and, as such, is neither true nor false. It's just his opinion.

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faithson 09/18/12 - 10:36 am
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bruno

'I believe that he is the singular most polarizing President in history.' Yep, especially if you get those 'bigoted' emails I get from a syndicate of white men and women who have never been around black people and only know them from what AM radio personalities tell them. Nationalism has taken on religious attributes of us and them, those who 'believe' and those who are outcasts. Those who do and those who don't. Those who have and see their citizenship in keeping it, and those who see a greater world wide citizenship in which the tide raises all boats. Of course there is a balance and through compromise on both sides we can find our way forward. It is the narrow minded on both sides that stoke the fires of derision, to include to media persons who's in reality only motivation is MONEY. (Sean, Rush come to mind).

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CobaltGeorge 09/18/12 - 10:37 am
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After Reading All The Book Comments

on this supported anti-American tragedy, I will say again for the thousand and one time.....

As long as we have this so called American leader, King SMNCICBHO, he will never support America, His dedication are only for those of his own KIND.

His words and actions over the past 4 years proves that beyond a reasonable doubt. Period

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Retired Army 09/18/12 - 10:37 am
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Fundamental_Arminian09/18/12 - 09:38 am

Yeah, I suppose American flags manufactured in China by companies set up with dollars from outfits like Bain Capitol would emanate toxic fumes.

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CobaltGeorge 09/18/12 - 10:51 am
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RA,

I can quarentee you one thing, there will never be a flag flying on my property that was made in China no matter who's dollar or outfits produced it.

When I do burn them, I want to smell the greatness of America in it's fumes.

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justthefacts 09/18/12 - 11:00 am
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Bantana

Last week you indicated that the the attacks were spontaneous and were the result of the disrespectful anti-Muslum u-tube video. You called for the producer to be sued and such, forgetting all that free speech constitutional baloney I guess. Of course, now after the facts are all in, I guess we can put away the mob attack actions against the producer.

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justthefacts 09/18/12 - 11:04 am
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faithson

Yeah, and rachel, kieth, and ed come to mine. Amazing.

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CobaltGeorge 09/18/12 - 11:13 am
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The Man Can Say It Better Than I Can.

By Neal Boortz

As the days drag on, we continue to hear little pieces of what really happened in Benghazi on September 11th and what is really happening in the Middle East. Now sources are saying that, despite initial claims by the Obama administration, there weren’t any “spontaneous” protests outside of the US embassy in Benghazi. In other words, there was no outcry over a movie, as the administration would like you to believe. It means that the attack and subsequent killing of four Americans, including the US ambassador, was planned in advance and the whole anti-Islamic movie bit was a excuse, not a reason.

How do we ultimately get to the bottom of what happened and what is happening? Well, one way is supposed to be the media. Journalists and reporters are supposed to ask the tough questions of the people that average Americans don’t get access to. People like, I don’t know, the President of the United States? But that becomes a problem when it becomes clear that the media is in the tank for the president. Instead of doing their job, they do whatever they can to skirt around the issue and protect their guy from blame. Just yesterday on Air Force One, a gaggle of reporters traveled to an Obama campaign event in Ohio. On the plane, Obama’s propagandists held their White House press conference. You would think that these reporters would have something .. Anything .. To ask about details of what happened in Benghazi, considering the conflicting reports, the fact that this administration asked a private company to take down a video produced by a private citizen in America, any indication of where Obama will lead our relations with the Middle East going forward. Not so much. Instead, they ask about his debate preparations and Saturday Night Live, and it was revealed that our Commander-in-Chief spent most of the weekend watching football. Isn’t that special?

Sometimes the bias isn’t so much in how you cover something, but it what you choose not to cover. In this case, these reporters seem eager to push the mess in the Middle East aside, instead focusing on the trivial (like Mitt Romney’s criticism) and beating the drum to the tune set by the White House: This was all because of a video.

Speaking of the video … it’s not shocking to hear the head of Hezbollah calling for the West to criminalize any insult to Islam or Muhammad. But what about in our own country? Our own government essentially asked Google to censor the film on YouTube. Google said no. Good for them. But could it become a crime to insult a religion like Islam in the United States? I don’t know, why don’t we ask the Obama Justice Department! In a recent hearing, a top ranking official with Obama’s Justice Department was asked the following question, “Will you tell us here today that this administration’s Department of Justice will never entertain or advance a proposal that criminalizes speech against any religion?” Here is your Obama Justice Department with its ardent defense of your First Amendment rights (sarcasm).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwv9l6W8yc&feature=player_embedded

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