The answer is 'no'

Key question of 2012 campaign has Democrats squirming

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The question, surprisingly enough, has actually been asked this week by the liberal media, principally ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and CBS’s Bob Schieffer: Are Americans better off now than they were four years ago?

It’s a question that helped propel Ronald Reagan to the White House in 1980, after the answer was quickly obvious to most Americans about the Jimmy Carter debacle.

The answer also is plain today, and a majority in The Hill newspaper’s poll said so: No.

Yet, answers coming out of the Democratic camp were described as “halting” in an Associated Press story Tuesday. Halting? More like completely incoherent.

On Sunday, Democratic Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley answered that, “No,” Americans aren’t better off – while quickly attempting to blame George W. Bush, who retired nearly four years ago now. A day later, O’Malley made a U-turn, claiming, “We are clearly better off as a country, because we are now creating jobs rather than losing jobs ...”

Vice President Joe Biden claimed we’re better off at a Detroit campaign rally, though he added it was too hot at the rally to go into details.

Asked the question multiple times Sunday by Stephanopoulos on ABC’s This Week, President Obama’s senior White House adviser, David Plouffe, dodged it again and again.

“Dems continue to dodge 4-years-ago question,” read a headline on Politico.com.

Even ultra-liberal Slate online magazine, in an article headlined “Democrats Struggle With ‘Are Americans Better Off Question,’ ” noted, “(Obama) campaign strategist David Axelrod also declined to give a straight answer to the question ...”

There can be little question as to the answer, if you’re honest, that Americans as a whole are not better off than they were four years ago.

Now certainly the 2008 crash took a heavy toll, and Mr. Obama was dealt a difficult hand. Absolutely. But a report last week shows that real median household income has dropped 4.8 percent even since the supposed “recovery” began in June 2009.

That number alone indicates that things have gotten worse on Mr. Obama’s watch.

But that’s just a snapshot of whether things have gotten better or worse for Americans. Another, very germane, question is whether things have gotten better for America.

Clearly, that answer is “no” as well.

While things have continued to stay the same or get worse for Americans, the balance sheet has become decidedly worse off for the country as a whole. This administration – and a Democrat-led Senate that hasn’t even tried to pass a federal budget in three years – has saddled younger and future generations with some $5 trillion more in debt, a record amount by far for any administration.

Young people who are so starry-eyed over Mr. Obama’s smooth charms may not like it in a few years when they start paying on his debt.

If they can find a job, that is.

Consider just the future tax implications for today’s 20-somethings: By 2045, says the Heritage Foundation, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will eat up every single dollar of federal tax revenue.

We are, frankly, surprised that the Democrat-loving media stooped to ask the “Are you better off” question. Apparently, the Democrats are just as surprised, as they were wholly unprepared to answer it. Or maybe just not eager.

The Obama campaign has made repeated attempts to politically assassinate the Republican candidates, and the tone of Mr. Obama’s “Sarcasm Over America” tour may be cute and funny, but these, too, are an artful dodge of the painful truth: Neither Americans nor America are better off after four years of this.

We eagerly look forward to hearing why four more would be any different.

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Jane18
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Jane18 09/05/12 - 10:19 am
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Better off than 4 years ago......

No, I am not, and neither is my husband! Also, I called some of my family and friends, and their answers were no. A couple of them are democrats and they answered no, but, because they Are democrats, they said they would still vote for you-know-who. What are you gonna do with people like this.............?? I'll keep trying to get through to the common sense place in their brains!

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 09/05/12 - 10:36 am
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Yes, by all means keep the

Yes, by all means keep the Plantation alive. In the meantime, keep American's divided so the Middle East can become the super power of the world. And we thought wealth redistribution meant giving more to the poor in this country; the joke is on us! Get over the pettiness before it's too late to save America and vote him Out!

rmwhitley
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rmwhitley 09/05/12 - 11:01 am
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Are we
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better off now than we were 4 years ago? obama has stabilized the price of gasoline ( mid to high $3's), cut unemployment from 5.3% to 8.3% (oops), every household income has risen 80% while food prices have dropped 90%, home sales have risen by 100% while forclosures are at an all-time low of 0%, unions have stated they will no longer go on strike and extort $$$$$$ from the middle class, with union help the prices of cars are reverting to prices of the 1950's, honesty among liberals and the left is at an all-time high, Republicans and Tea Party members are to blame for lying about obama's racist relationships with jeremiah wright and bill ayers (you know him as the home grown terrorist of the 60's and 70's), obama's vast foreign policy experience ( Republican's and conservatives are foreign to him), thank God obama killed the Can-Am pipeline otherwise millions of out-of-work people would be off of the guvmint dole, if it weren't for obamacare we would not have the experience of paying health care costs for illegal aliens and those "urban" folk who enjoy playing cowboy while drawing guvmint (my money) subsistence, the naacp aclu and justice department are sincerely trying to help the white man and woman, bill clinton never had sex with "that woman", jesse jackson, jr. never tried extortion to get obama's senate seat ( isn't he in the mental ward at Mayo hoping to avoid prosecution?), elizabeth warren telling those lazy business owners that "they didn't build that", richard blumenthal, dem. sen. Conn. is going to be awarded the Medal of Honor for his valor in the Vietnam War______ Memorial in d.c., my wife's and my "comfortable" income (thank God) has shrunk by almost 30% in the past 3 1/2 years, thank you mr. pres., couldn't have done it without you. Have a nice day.

allhans
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allhans 09/05/12 - 11:30 am
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My grandchildren are of the

My grandchildren are of the Jewish faith and I am very concerned with the DNC's removal of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and also the removal of God. For many years they were a part of the DNC platform, but not now under this president that we know so little about. This entire matter is unsettling to say the least. Is the intention to appease Islamists?

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 09/05/12 - 11:45 am
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Jane18

"I'll keep trying to get through to the common sense place in their brains!"

Quit trying Jane. Time back, the Common Sense was a dominate Gene and was passed on from Generation to Generation. With time, diversity and Political Correctness has made the CS Gene almost extinct. This has made a new breed of humans call Liberals (Democat).

That area of brain in this new breed is no longer there.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/05/12 - 11:56 am
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Let's not forget the 16 green

Let's not forget the 16 green energy companies that went belly up after receiving billions, then also don't forget the president is a murderer with a hit list of assassinations-some of which are american citizens (for sure one was) murdered without due process. I don't see any redeeming qualities-just a pathology of hating the wealthy, capitalism, and america.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/05/12 - 12:12 pm
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If You Haven't Seen....

....the movie "2016," see it.

It will help you understand what's happening to America and why.

It will also help you with your decision on how to vote in November.

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 12:14 pm
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Those folks who are living

Those folks who are living good without working are elated..
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Yes, the past decade has been exceptionally sweet for the Romneys and their fellows.

Personally, I'm doing better, but that's the result of hard work and sound decisions. I have a decent job with a degree I paid for myself but financed with the assistance of guaranteed student loans, and I'm paying taxes at a higher rate than the 1%. This latter point rankles a bit when I hear retirees collecting more in SSI and Medicare than they paid into the system moan about entitlements and "socialism", but hey, that's all part of the greater whole that's given me the freedom to be succesful.

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 12:33 pm
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Bizkit, you are confusing tax

Bizkit, you are confusing tax rates with effective tax, and treating all income equally. Do you seriously think the Romney's paid less than 14% because that matches their income bracket?

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 12:36 pm
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The wealthy are America's

The wealthy are America's wealth.
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That pretty much summarizes all that us wrong with what has become the politicization of wealth worship.

KSL
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KSL 09/05/12 - 12:42 pm
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Burn, it's SS. SSI is the

Burn, it's SS. SSI is the welfarish part. It is paid out of general tax funds.

KSL
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KSL 09/05/12 - 12:46 pm
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And yes, children who get SSI

And yes, children who get SSI collect way more money than they paid in.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 09/05/12 - 12:47 pm
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Depends on who you ask

Those who do not produce and want the gov't to pay the way for them are indeed much better off. Just announced a record number of people now receiving gov't food stamps.

Those who work to produce the wealth the gov't takes and "redistributes" are clearly worse off.

Lower personal income, far greater higher debt and deficits, gas prices have doubled, etc. All this coming since Obama became president. Can't blame that on Bush; not after nearly 4 years. No sign of any improvement at all.... No one in their right mind could logically conclude the nation is better off now compared to 4 years ago.

Obama works for us. We have the right to fire him and bring in a new administration that can at least get us headed in the right direction. We can't afford not to do so. Our future depends on it.

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 12:50 pm
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Thank you for the correction

Thank you for the correction KSL.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/05/12 - 12:51 pm
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"That pretty much summarizes...

....all that us wrong with what has become the politicization of wealth worship."

Why am I not surprised you'd make such a statement?

In a capitalist economy, economic success is measured by accumulated wealth. It's relatively easy to make $20K as an annual salary, but increasingly difficult to complete the preparation for, and demonstrate the capability to, land a high paying job, keep it, and invest wisely enough to become "rich."

Americans used to admire people who were wealthy. It proved they were smart, industrious, and frugal enough to rise to an economic level most would never achieve. Parents used to point to people like that with admiration and use them as heroes their children should emulate.

Then, along came liberalism.

Now, those people are disdained, criticized, demonized, and ridiculed. They are "greedy." They "hate poor people." No matter how much they donate to charity, or how many people they employ, they are reviled and sneered at. Oddly enough, it's often rich liberals who treat rich Conservatives with such disdain, proving once again, hypocrisy is a fundamental tenet of liberalism.

In the land of the liberals, black is white, right is left, and down is up. Being poor and unemployed is a virtue, being wealthy a sin.

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 01:10 pm
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Huh, didn't realize "robber

Huh, didn't realize "robber baron" was a term of respect and admiration. I should learn more about this American history of respect and admiration for individuals that use disproportionate wealth to distort markets, manipulate regulation, and corner labor forces.

harley_52
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harley_52 09/05/12 - 01:16 pm
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CBS News Reporter...

....gives his assessment of the movie "2016" and his thoughts about the upcoming election.

For anyone who might be interested and open minded enough to care.

http://sbynews.blogspot.com/2012/09/cbs-scot-paulsen-on-2016-movie.html

Doug Duncan
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Doug Duncan 09/05/12 - 01:30 pm
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Better off?

The answer depends upon the economy in which you operate. There are two economies functioning within the United States. The first lives on the wealth it creates. The second lives on the wealth it takes from the first. So, those who operate in the first economy would say no, I am not better than I was four years ago. The second would say yes, I am better off than I was four years ago. It’s simple.

Angie H
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Angie H 09/05/12 - 01:37 pm
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Burn.....your wealth envy is

Burn.....your wealth envy is showing. Accusing the wealthy of "not working" is and early indicator.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/05/12 - 02:48 pm
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Burn you likely espoused that

Burn you likely espoused that the Bush tax cuts only affected the rich too. Less than a quarter of millionaires pay less than their 35% tax rate, of those they still pay more than most other tax payers. But you obviously have no problem with 50% paying nada. Your wealth envy is showing but not a pathology like Obama. The wealthy earned it. The reason there is wealth disparaty is not a heinous plot or conspiracy but simple logistics. The wealthy generally have both spouses working and they are highly educated in a lucrative field. No conspiracy just played the game fair and square and won. Now a bunch of criminals want to "steal" their wealth under some disguise of morality (good golly) to give to those who can't succeed. Fortunately anyone can succeed and we see many americans are climbing the ladder.

Sargebaby
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Sargebaby 09/05/12 - 03:05 pm
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"Those on Medicare and

"Those on Medicare and Medicaid won't be better off beginning in 2013 when the doctors stop taking Medicare and Medicaid due to Obama taking 716 BILLION DOLLARS from the program To fund Obamacare."

Beside the staggering numbers of this cost, it angers me that we've paid in to Medicare and Social Security all of our adult working lives, and one liberal and his henchmen can rob us of the healthcare we've already paid for. Most everywhere I've been, this is called embezzlement!

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 03:27 pm
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Throwawy terms like "wealth

Throwawy terms like "wealth envy" are cheap attempts to avoid talking about the serious problems caused by a tiny population of Americans with a control of resources and policymaking so extreme that free markets no longer exist, and the middle class is vanishing.

Wealth is not the problem. Using that wealth to subvert democracy and the free market system is the problem. Destroying wealth is not the solution. Checking its power is.

Butterbean
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Butterbean 09/05/12 - 03:28 pm
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Fair Share?

Will someone PLEASE just tell me what my "fair share" is? And, how it is to be calculated?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 09/05/12 - 03:33 pm
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Butterbean

How much did you make? How much do you have left? Send it to Washington.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 09/05/12 - 03:37 pm
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Yes, yes, yes, harley!! On

Yes, yes, yes, harley!! On all accounts, particularly , Go and see 2016 and take a notebook and pen.

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Riverman1 09/05/12 - 03:39 pm
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Burn said, "Using that wealth

Burn said, "Using that wealth to subvert democracy and the free market system is the problem. Destroying wealth is not the solution. Checking its power is."

Let's not get into black helicopter stuff. If someone is breaking the law, then arrest him. You act like we should make the wealthy march through the streets with crowds spitting on them ala Red Guards. How much more does someone have to pay to drive on the same highways and breathe the same air as someone who pays zero tax?

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 09/05/12 - 03:41 pm
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Bank accounts are showing

Bank accounts are showing like a cheap slip.

burninater
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burninater 09/05/12 - 04:27 pm
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You act like we should make

You act like we should make the wealthy march through the streets with crowds spitting on them ala Red Guards.
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That's a heck of a straw man, Riverman.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting private finance out of elections, restricting the Congress/K Street revolving door, taxing all income equally under a moderately progressive tax code with NO exemptions, establishing financial regulations that are not written AND enforced by the financial industry, real penalties for offshore tax evasion ...

These would be an excellent start.

You're welcome to believe this means I'm proposing Red Guard spit parades, as that belief says a little more about you than it does about me.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 09/05/12 - 05:32 pm
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"Wealth is not the problem.

"Wealth is not the problem. Using that wealth to subvert democracy and the free market system is the problem. Destroying wealth is not the solution. Checking its power is." Dang Burn, tryin' my best to get ya goin' (and myself too hee,hee,hee) and then you go and say somethin' I completely agree with. I don't like wealth influencing policy or politics either. I don't like the idea only wealthy people can be a president either. That middle class is a state of mind is a load. I don't want the US to be like India with such a huge wealth disparity either. I don't know if it is a lack of opportunity, lack of effort, lack of iniative, lack of creativity or "the entitlement mentality" that educators are writin' books on. But somethin' shore has happened to US.

hotsaucemom
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hotsaucemom 09/05/12 - 05:33 pm
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Republican controlled House

Republican controlled House in Congress has blocked most of President Obama agenda. You will see a big different in job creation once the Tea Party loss controll of the House in November. Economists say more than 80,000 jobs would have vanished if automoblie bailout, another economic stimulus plan, a banking industry bailout and other needed measures taking by President Obama. With, George W. Bush the worst president ever seated in the White House,34 million jobs vanished during his two -term.

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