A matter of life and death

Deadly Texas accident stems from unprotected border

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The shooting in Colorado has caused a tempest of gun-control fury. But as radio talker Neal Boortz points out, 14 people just died Sunday night in the wreck of a crowded pickup on the U.S.-Mexican border in Texas, filled with foreigners.

A pickup truck that authorities say was overloaded with passengers  veered off a highway and crashed into trees near Goliad, Texas.  ANGELI WRIGHT/ASSOCIATED PRESS
ANGELI WRIGHT/ASSOCIATED PRESS
A pickup truck that authorities say was overloaded with passengers veered off a highway and crashed into trees near Goliad, Texas.

Another nine died in a similar crash in April when a crowded truck was fleeing Border Patrol.

Why don’t such incidents enrage the public into demanding border control? Or, as Boortz facetiously suggested, pickup control?

How is it “compassionate” to allow illegal immigration when such dangers are inherent? Is it compassionate to implicitly encourage human smugglers to truck illegals in at night, as loaded up as possible to maximize profitability, because they know we don’t have the wherewithal to stop them or the gumption to turn them back?

There were 23 people stuffed into that pickup Sunday.

“In my 38 years as an officer, this is one of the worst fatalities I have been to,” an officer told reporters at the scene of Sunday’s wreck. “I have never seen where we had that many in a vehicle.”

Nineteen illegals also died in a 2003 incident in which
they succumbed to heat and dehydration while trapped in a tractor-trailer taking them to Houston.

All these lives are worth no less than those taken in Aurora. Yet our border continues to be porous, and an attractive nuisance capable of causing death.

When will America elect a leader who will get this done?

Isn’t it a matter of life and death?

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fedex227
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fedex227 07/26/12 - 11:49 pm
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"Who does a guy have to blow ...
Unpublished

(for some reason this is now an acceptable phrase, as used in their ACES 26 Jul editorial) ... 'to get some truth around here." The U.S. deported more people — nearly 600,000 — who were in the country illegally in fiscal 2011-2012, than any other administration in the history of the United Sates according to the latest numbers released Tuesday by the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) bureau. Or maybe we should elect Mitt Romney and encourage those who are here illegally to just self-deport.

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 12:12 am
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"Pickup control". Interesting

"Pickup control". Interesting analogy, even if one pretends to disavow it as "facetious" at the same time that it is used to make a point.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but -- pickups weren't designed to shoot humans to death ... right?

carcraft
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carcraft 07/27/12 - 05:30 am
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Y, and any attempt by states

Y, and any attempt by states or municipalities to enforce federal LAW is meet with Justice department suits and legal actions. The imigration laws have been declared null and void by Obama ( all praise king Obama umm ummm umm) shat are we left with? An open boarder on oour south that strains almost every aspect of law enforcement to the breaking point! There was an interesting story about mexican nationals that die in the boarder crossing and are left on private property. The owners of the property and law enforcement departments are going broke trying to manage this, but King Obama (UMM UMM UMMM ) says it's OK umm umm umm, and if you don't think so Holder will sue you UMM UMM UMM

carcraft
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carcraft 07/27/12 - 05:43 am
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Motorized vehicles have been

Motorized vehicles have been designed to kill people also from the first from early tanks, to the fighting vehicles, to fighter planes. Oh well liberal logic is truly a thing of wonder to behold!

carcraft
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carcraft 07/27/12 - 05:43 am
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Great Post my father

Great Post my father

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/27/12 - 06:02 am
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Realize Effects of Recent Executive Order

Our borders have been opened up completely after Obama’s last executive order.

A top official for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers said yesterday Obama’s administration has ordered ICE agents to blindly believe illegal immigrants if they claim they qualify for Obama’s administrative DREAM Act. He gave instances where they had to let detainees go when they claimed they were bought here before they were 16 and had been here for five years. No proof is required, simply a claim.

Under Obama’s directive , illegal immigrants will be immune from deportation if they were brought to the USA before they turned 16 and are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military.

Anyone arrested only has to claim one of those without furnishing any evidence. Our last walls have been torn down.

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 06:51 am
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With all due respect

With all due respect myfather, the firearm at issue in the Aurora shootings, an assault rifle, was not designed for hunting.

And what is up with this:

"Should we just blindly believe you because your a leftist with a soooooo much higher education? I see, us simpletons should just sit back and allow ourselves to be manipulated by persons of higher learning such as yourself, right? Because it would be better for us and the world if us simpleton's didn't have a voice in matters, right?"

What does this rant have to do with the fact that assault rifles were designed with a single purpose in mind, which isn't to "assault" food animals?

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 06:53 am
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shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 07/27/12 - 07:31 am
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I like what Cris Rock says about gun control

We don't need gun contol. What we need is bullet control. Make bullets cost $5,000 a piece. There would be no more innocent bystanders.
I can see a guy saying now "Man I'd blow your head off right now...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job and save and you better watch out!" "You better hope they don't have a layaway plan!"

carcraft
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carcraft 07/27/12 - 07:50 am
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burninator, ahm, it is

burninator, ahm, it is actually a fairly good caliber and design for hunting, I know many peole who who hunt with AK47, SKS (as I have) and so called "asssult" rifles of all discriptions. These weapons are a flat shooting very accurate rifle. Now please explain to me the differance between a semi automatic rifle and an "assault " weapon? The 30-06 , an excellent all around great (perhaps one of the greatests) hunting arms ever developed was intially an "assault" weapon used during WW1 and WW2.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/27/12 - 07:50 am
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The HumV and Jeep were

The HumV and Jeep were military "assault" vehicles!

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 07:51 am
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Motorized vehicles have been

Motorized vehicles have been designed to kill people also from the first from early tanks, to the fighting vehicles, to fighter planes. Oh well liberal logic is truly a thing of wonder to behold!
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That "liberal logic" tells me pretty clearly that a pickup is neither a tank, nor a fighting vehicle, nor a fighter plane. Now, the logic that claims a pickup is a fighter plane? That is indeed a wonder to behold.

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 08:10 am
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Carcraft, your 7:50 starts

Carcraft, your 7:50 starts getting at the meat of this issue, rather than this rather strange "pickups are weapons, too, and illegals drive them, so immigration policy is like James Holmes" argument of the editorial.

I don't have the answers to your questions, and I don't know how you fully balance legitimate uses like hunting and home defense with mass killings. But I also don't think that the difficulty of these issues means that we should just ignore the threat that firearms represent a unique potential for violence against other people, and that unique threat may require a higher level of regulation than we currently have. The argument "guns don't kill people, people kill people", completely ignores the unique ability of firearms to commit violence. When was the last time we had a mass killing and you heard someone say "peanut butter and jelly sandwiches don't kill people, people kill people?". The inherent nature of guns cannot be separated from the violence of the act. Does this mean we ban guns? Of course not. But it also doesn't mean that we go to the opposite extreme and claim that a gun is essentially a pickup, or an immigration policy, or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Jane18
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Jane18 07/27/12 - 08:38 am
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Common sense or no sense

Myfather, carcraft, and Riverman, it really is hard to to try and give common sense to people that reject it. But, good try. The rest of us know and understand! Almost everything that has ever been made was made for man's benefit. It is when someone is evil, greedy, jealous, etc., that something that was good can be used for something bad.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 07/27/12 - 09:07 am
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Semi-automatic

Thank you, carcraft, for pointing out that the term "assault weapon" merely means semi-automatic. The targets are not part of the weapons’ design specifications.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/27/12 - 09:14 am
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OBAMA'S RECENT DECISION
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To suspend deportations of young illegals will just encourage others to thumb their noses at our immigration laws and sneak across the border. Mexico now knows that its okay to continue exporting their poverty. Thanks Barry, your "hope and change" has become no hope and only the change in our pockets. What an idiot!

allhans
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allhans 07/27/12 - 09:14 am
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600,000 deported... Allow a

600,000 deported...
Allow a few million to come in, deport a few thousand....

YeCats
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YeCats 07/27/12 - 09:32 am
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Trucks and AKs,,, If place in

Trucks and AKs,,,

If place in the center of the busiest retail parking lot, one with the keys left in it, the other with a full magazine, would/could not harm a soul.

However, if a dear soul comes along.......,.

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 11:00 am
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Trucks and AKs,,, If place in

Trucks and AKs,,,

If place in the center of the busiest retail parking lot, one with the keys left in it, the other with a full magazine, would/could not harm a soul.

However, if a dear soul comes along.......,.
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Replace "trucks and AKs" with "kittens and cotton balls" and you immediately see the absurdity of the argument that the nature of a gun is irrelevant to the violence that may be perpetrated with it.

DMPerryJr
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DMPerryJr 07/27/12 - 11:04 am
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Ban Knives!

I seem to recall a certain incident in 1994 in which a famous football player was accused of killing two people with a knife.

Nomaninthesky
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Nomaninthesky 07/27/12 - 11:14 am
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Statistics

In one year
100,000 americans are shot
Over a million people have died by guns since 1968
Homicide rates are 6.9% higher than 22 other countries.
Firearm homicide rate is 19.5 times higher

Among 23 populous high income countries 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the US

Gun violence costs citizens 100 billion annually

Where there are more guns there are more deaths. An estimated 41% of gun related homicides and 94% of gun related suicideswoyld not occur had guns not been present

Higher household gun ownership correlates with more homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 17

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3

I could go on if you like!!! I think something needs to be done and am for gun control.

Nomaninthesky
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Nomaninthesky 07/27/12 - 11:16 am
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Statistics

In one year
100,000 americans are shot
Over a million people have died by guns since 1968
Homicide rates are 6.9% higher than 22 other countries.
Firearm homicide rate is 19.5 times higher

Among 23 populous high income countries 80% of all firearm deaths occurred in the US

Gun violence costs citizens 100 billion annually

Where there are more guns there are more deaths. An estimated 41% of gun related homicides and 94% of gun related suicideswoyld not occur had guns not been present

Higher household gun ownership correlates with more homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 3 to 5 and increases the risk of suicide by a factor of 17

Keeping a firearm in the home increases the risk of homicide by a factor of 3

I could go on if you like!!! I think something needs to be done and am for gun control.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 07/27/12 - 12:52 pm
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How To Lie With Statistics

It is a good book. Read it.

The statistic comparing US homicide rate to homicide rate in 22 other countries is laughable. Sure, one could unfavorably compare the US about anything by cherry picking 22 countries from among all the hundreds of countries in the world.

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myfather15 07/27/12 - 01:31 pm
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@Burninator

My reason for that rant was that I'm tired of liberal minded folks thinking they are so much smarter than everyone. They spew their ideas and thoughts as if there is no other way. They make fun of people of faith. The say we are just idiots that are hanging on to our religions and guns. They use incidents like Aurora Co, to spew more liberal non-sense about gun control and pretty much state that if you disagree, your wrong. I'm just tired of left wing people always believing their way is better and lying to further their agenda.

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CobaltGeorge 07/27/12 - 03:07 pm
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myfather15

You sure done there put out some down to earth real common sense comments. The good people will recognize it.

Bantana
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Bantana 07/27/12 - 04:54 pm
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myfather...

and there you have it...the discourse has gotten counterproductive.
substitute right for left and you get: i'm just tired of right wing people always believing their way is better and lying to further their agenda. not that i'm calling anyone here in this forum a liar.

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 07/27/12 - 07:17 pm
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Truth

By Carcraft

burninator, ahm, it is actually a fairly good caliber and design for hunting, I know many peole who who hunt with AK47, SKS (as I have) and so called "asssult" rifles of all discriptions. These weapons are a flat shooting very accurate rifle. Now please explain to me the differance between a semi automatic rifle and an "assault " weapon? The 30-06 , an excellent all around great (perhaps one of the greatests) hunting arms ever developed was intially an "assault" weapon used during WW1 and WW2.

The 2nd guarantees me the right to bare arms. Period.

To tell me that I should not own a semi-automatic rifle or pistol is
wrong! When our King SMNCICBHO and co hart, Eric Holder sends truck loads of assualt weapon to Mexico to be used to kill and to be used on our own citizens plus getting into to the hands of our ciminals and then imply that I as am America Citizen must give up my weapons, is nothing but the thinking of some real sick humans.

burninater
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burninater 07/27/12 - 08:30 pm
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CG, I am not proposing making

CG, I am not proposing making all arms illegal, and I never have. I'm talking here about guns specifically designed to kill a large number of people extremely quickly. I agree that handguns, shotguns, and rifles have a place in civilian society. I don't think that place should be extended to include semiautomatic weapons with large capacity clips.

There are two words in the 2nd Amendment that many seem to ignore: WELL-REGULATED.

myfather15
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myfather15 07/28/12 - 12:56 am
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@Burninator

"Replace "trucks and AKs" with "kittens and cotton balls" and you immediately see the absurdity of the argument that the nature of a gun is irrelevant to the violence that may be perpetrated with it."

The problem I see with this "logic" you are using is that I don't see people running around trying to ban "kittens and cotton balls". So its ludacris to use such an analogy. The analogy others have used is between guns and vehicles. Both have legitimately been used to destroy other humans. You started this by saying that firearms were designed to kill humans. I have proven to you that they were NOT originally designed to kill humans, if you will just look it up yourself. I know I could post a link, but I don't always do that because I like for people to do their own homework, if they are responsible enough to learn the truth.

The problem is that it IS NOT logical (or legal) to remove all firearms, even semi-automatic firearms, from society. They are here and they are staying here, no matter what anyones personal belief is about them. There is an estimated 300 million firearms in the US. If you use the military or police to go around taking firearms from legal citizens who have committed no crimes, you will have chaos. Hundreds of thousands will lose their lives. Why? Because YES, we do cling to our guns and traditions. As we should if we are law abiding citizens and just plain good human beings.

Banning firearms would do the same thing as prohibition did. It would push the sale underground. Then only criminals would have them. That sounds like a nice world, doesn't it? When will liberals get it through their heads that criminals DO NOT respect laws. Only those who already obey the law would comply. Everyday, in the CSRA alone there are numerous felons arrested for possession of firearms. Well how is that you might ask, when its illegal for them to possess firearms as convicted felons? My point exactly!!! Call me a conspiracy theorist is you want but somehow I think thats the point. They don't want good citizens able to possess firearms. Not most posters on here, but the hard extreme leftists, yes I believe they would love to see the good ol boys disarmed.

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