Is there no shame?

Isn't holding the attorney general in contempt a big deal?

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Either too much is going on in the world or there are just too many news outlets to tell us about it all!

Of course, when you make news on the same day as the Obamacare ruling is handed down, it’s automatic that you’re going to get lost in the shuffle.

But time was when it would have been scandalous for the sitting U.S. attorney general to be held in contempt by the U.S. House of Representatives – as Eric Holder was last week.

One school of thought is that it’s no big deal – and that Fox News and Republicans are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Try telling that to the parents of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. He was murdered – apparently with guns that his own federal government purposely allowed to get into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The House last week held Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt for not handing over documents involving what appears to be a cover-up of the debacle, known as “Fast and Furious.”

Yes, the contempt vote occurred the day the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its Obamacare decision – arguably the most anticipated ruling ever. Still, why it’s not a bigger deal that the nation’s chief law enforcement officer has been held in contempt is beyond us.

Is there no shame at all anymore?

Those supporting Holder should answer why. Why is it OK to thwart a valid congressional subpoena? Why doesn’t the attorney general’s office want to get to the bottom of what killed a Border Patrol agent?

How sad that this country’s electorate is so disengaged that it allows such blatant disregard for the rule of law to go unanswered at the highest levels of the Justice Department.

And how cynical for Democrats to pretend the action against Holder has anything to do with race. It’s the last refuge of scoundrels.

Nor is the contempt vote a partisan attack: 17 Democrats joined Republicans in rebuking Holder.

Ultimately, the question is this: The Justice Department lied for months about the existence of Fast and Furious, and most certainly is covering up the culpable; does telling the truth not matter anymore in Officialdom? Are we going to just shrug our shoulders and move on, and not care that the American people were lied to about a bungled operation that led to a Border Patrol agent’s death?

If there’s nothing there, why is the Obama administration fighting disclosure so?

And even if there isn’t anything there – which seems doubtful – you can’t walk away from an apparent cover-up. That would only invite more covering-up.

No big deal? Good grief. It’s amazing what Americans will put up with today.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/05/12 - 11:11 pm
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Pelosi and many of the

Pelosi and many of the Democrats walked out during the vote. There's absolutely nothing Congress can do to Holder. It's kind of like having a DA who's wanted for something and nobody can arrest him. Solution, fewer Democrats and more Republicans come November.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 07/05/12 - 11:31 pm
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Disclosure of the requested

Disclosure of the requested documents would have revealed the White House involvement in approving the gun walking scheme in order to build a case for more gun control. THAT is why Obama all of a sudden declared executive privilege. It's a cover up. You can bet on it.

omnomnom
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omnomnom 07/05/12 - 11:31 pm
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Holder is the Fred Russell of

Holder is the Fred Russell of the nation

Insider Information
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Insider Information 07/05/12 - 11:43 pm
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A nation of laws or a nation of men?

- A contempt order: Not prosecuted

- Gun-Walking: Not prosecuted

- Immigration laws: Not prosecuted

- Election fraud: Not prosecuted

- Voter intimidation: Not prosecuted

- DOMA: Not enforced

Something to ponder...
President Obama declared DOMA unconstitutional and announced he would not enforce it. What would happen if the next president or the president after that declared Obamacare unconstitutional and announced he/she would not enforce it?

Technowiz
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Technowiz 07/06/12 - 12:32 am
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Some investigation!! Issa

Some investigation!! Issa refused to allow anyone to testify whose testimony he suspected would run contrary to what he wanted to hear!! This was nothing more than a political game designed to harm Obama just prior to the election!! Issa: once a scoundrel always a scoundrel!!

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/06/12 - 05:33 am
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Yea race has nothing to do
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Yea race has nothing to do with the do nothing GOP lead Congress. Sorry to say that 2012 race is still an issue with the way the Obama Admiistration is treated by this Congress. Nobody's stupid. 123 here comes a great big old thumbs down.

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/06/12 - 06:39 am
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No Bush era officials who had
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No Bush era officials who had similar stings.

Techfan
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Techfan 07/06/12 - 05:48 am
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Have someone keep an eye on

Have someone keep an eye on your car around Issa.

Insider Information
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Insider Information 07/06/12 - 08:01 am
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I agree. It is about race.

I agree. It is about race. There have been literally hundreds of men, women and, yes, even children killed in Mexico with guns from Fast and Furious.

Does the president care? Nope.

Does the attorney general care? Nope.

They don't care because the victims are Mexican. In fact, those in the Department of Justice involved with Fast and Furious have been promoted.

justus4
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justus4 07/06/12 - 08:23 am
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Holder was selected for AG
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Holder was selected for AG solely because we knew this would happen...the only person of color within the president's cabinet who knows the deal. He also has clearly stated in the past that "Americans are cowards on the matter of race." And he is exposing the voting suppression operation happening in several states, so this witch hunt means absolutely nothing except that some folks never change their stripes, which makes their tactics obvious.

Iwannakno
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Iwannakno 07/06/12 - 08:41 am
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Race baiting
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Every article there is always the race baiter to comment. I would rather Obama respect Agent Terry's family and his service to this nation. His blood is own Obama and Holder's hands. Race bait that.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 09:23 am
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Well Dems have been trying to

Well Dems have been trying to oust Rep for years for purely political reasons with the same witch hunt mentality-Bork, Gonzales, etc. etc.etc. Seems the Rep just got on the political train. But speakin' of scoundrels how about them Dems with Obamacare-just think in TEN years we will save 200 billion which is 1.3% of the current national debt-now tell me this law is going to address the deficit. What a bunch of double talkin' politicians-feed us a poopie sandwich and tell me how good it is. More double talk in how unemployment is 8% when it is actually closer to 15%-what scoundrels they have let the economy suffer for political reasons as Dems in the Senate refuse to act on all the economy and jobs bills the House passed. Just think what kind of scoundrel Obama is leaking secrets to make himself look good for purely political reason as he risks national security. Scoundrels for sure.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 09:31 am
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Seems a bit of hypocrisy to

Seems a bit of hypocrisy to point out what Issa did in 72' after his father's death and stint in the service, but turn a blind eye to Obama smokin' dope and grand theft auto. How can one be a scoundrel and the other not for the same thing. Typical Alinsky strategy to attack the messenger-Issa to deflect off the issue-Holder.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 11:21 am
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Better keep an eye on your

Better keep an eye on your car around Obama-and beware the "interceptor" if you are a dope head. I guess Issa was too busy becoming the wealthiest Congressman to be a dope head like our president-who spent his time puffin and being a community organizer. Must a organized smoke ins.I hear he is going to legalize his habit.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/06/12 - 12:00 pm
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If the electorate is

ignorant about history, largely self-absorbed and consumed by appetite, which a considerable proportion of ours is, why would they give a hoot about Holder, Issa, Obummer and all the others they elected who are just like themselves?

The overall quality of our nation's character does not look like our military or even those in church on Sunday mornings. It looks like Holder and Issa and Obama, except most Americans are too lazy and shortsighted to make it into the big time like those three bottom-feeders (and countless other America-haters and -looters) have.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 12:46 pm
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Really you see the

Really you see the progressive racist ideology that they expect some young black man like Obama to smoke dope and steal cars but some white guy steal a car then its a crime. A recent study examining economic mobility found that poor people rarely make it out of poverty-although absolute mobility is actually higher for all Americans. With all the opportunites for an education, etc. we see that the poor rarely succeed. This has to be either biological and genetic (it is all their potential) or a cultural phenomenon. I tend to support the later hypothesis- obviously welfare supports this culture of stagnation. You have to wonder did racist Dem progressives plan to keep african-americans down and the poor in general. Stir, man, stir. hee,hee,hee. Yall brought up the race thing-I'm just eggin you on. Obviously there is no shame. eh.

allhans
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allhans 07/06/12 - 12:53 pm
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The unemployment rate for

The unemployment rate for blacks is now 14%...of the 80,000 jobs "created" in June, one third are temporary workers...How much longer can we hold on?

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 01:52 pm
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Wow Allhans and

Wow Allhans and african-americans still overwhelmingly support Obama. A case of feeding the hand that bites you. Odd. Maybe blacks are realizing Bill Clinton is still the first black American president.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 01:59 pm
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Obama has no shame as he has

Obama has no shame as he has a figurative hit list of political enemies he plans to destroy and an actually hit list of people he want to assassinate-likely more americans murdered without due process. I don't know but doesn't sound like presidential material.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/06/12 - 02:08 pm
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1 Us boarder agent dead and

1 Us boarder agent dead and several hundred Mexican Citezens, International laws broken and the lame stream media seems more conserned about a jail break from Alcatraz that occured 50 years ago! The facts are, The justice department sent a letter to congress that was a lie. When called on it the justice department retracted the letter. Holder testifies and gets caught in fabrications or distrotions then withdraws his testamony. The house oversight committee can't find out who wrote the ltter, can't find out who authorized Fast and Furious and can't find out why, what Holder has discribed as a low level Department of Justice Opperation, requires executive Priviledge. Where is Obama in the chain of command in this operation? We were told High ups in the Justice department knew nothing of the operation so how does Obama get involved? How is Obama involved and what priviledged communication could involve Obama and low level Justice Department employees that ran fast and Furious?

KSL
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KSL 07/06/12 - 02:44 pm
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Lots of great questions.

Lots of great questions.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 02:47 pm
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Well even if he were criminal

Well even if he were criminal and served time he would likely be back and would win a political office or hold some other high ranking political position. There is no shame in the politics. One way or the other they are life long political positions (just offices change). Look at Newt-like the everyready bunny.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 03:02 pm
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I seem to remember somethin'

I seem to remember somethin' that ole Harry Reid use to say-his mantra-Oh yeah. The culture of corruption. Ah now we see it again with the Dem party and Obama regime. Weird how history repeats itself. Politcal corruption, assassinations, least transparent regime of all-make a nice mini-series.

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/06/12 - 04:24 pm
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Two sides to every story
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http://bigthink.com/Resurgence/fortune-magazine-questions-gop-fast-and-f...
A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/06/12 - 04:35 pm
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Owensjef3 If I harm my

Owensjef3 If I harm my neighbor through negligence, even if I never intended to, I am still culpable. Did you know that Zapata (an INS agent also killed with Fast and Furious weapons) and several Mexican families are suing the US government? Mexican authorities had no idea this was happening, how were the weapons supposed to be recovered in Mexico? No tracking devices were used! It was a dumb plan and those responsible should be held accountable. Why doesn't Holder and Obama want the incompetent members of the justice department removed from office? Why is Obama and Holder stone walling? If you say they released all the documents then why don't we know who wrote the first letter to congress? Why did Holder gave testamony that had to be retracted? I am involved in medicine, if I through gross negligence, harm a patient I can get sued and lose my license, even if I never intended to harm a patient!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/06/12 - 05:03 pm
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Progressives are constantly

Progressives are constantly trying to re-write history and white-wash facts. It's the Alinsky thingy again. It is a philosophy of dishonesty and win by attrition.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 07/06/12 - 05:19 pm
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Holder

All Holder had to do was turn over the proper documents to the commitee. That's why he was held in contempt. Not because of the operation per se. The "Fortune" article, like the Dems, seems to ignore this. What did Holder have to hide?

owensjef3
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owensjef3 07/06/12 - 06:12 pm
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We will never change each
Unpublished

We will never change each others mind on this.

Jake
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Jake 07/06/12 - 06:54 pm
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The answer is "No"

Of course there is no shame, never has been. When Ford pardoned Nixon, there was no shame. When Clinton was caught with his zipper down, there was no shame. When a sitting President leaves office and pardons many who would be better suited to spend time in the hole, there is no shame. "Shame" is not a word that the Washington DC crowd recognize.

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