Wrong party charged

It's abundantly clear that Pakistan is not America's friend

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One country technically can’t commit treason against another.

But you’ve got to give Pakistan credit. It sure is trying!

The United States has been giving Pakistan billions of taxpayers’ dollars – $20.7 billion from 2002 through 2011, according to the Congressional Research Service. We continue to do it. Yet, for much of that time, Osama bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in a nice little encampment that we’re sure the trash folks and cable guy and roof repair crews had occasion to visit.

And now, a year after a heroic Navy SEALs raid that killed the world’s most wanted terrorist and this nation’s prickliest burr, Pakistan has responded by convicting a doctor there of treason for helping us find bin Laden.

Shakil Afridi. who used DNA evidence to help verify bin Laden’s presence, received a whopping 33 years in prison this past week for his cooperation in helping us find and kill bin Laden.

Weren’t those billions of dollars supposed to buy Pakistan’s own cooperation in the effort? Instead, they’re giving a guy who did cooperate an effective life sentence?

If countries could commit treason against each other, wouldn’t that qualify?

The U.S. Senate got mad about all this, and a committee voted to cut aid to Pakistan by $33 million – $1 million for every year of Afridi’s sentence.

While that may be hugely symbolic, it’s a drop in the bucket for a country we’re giving billions to.

Isn’t it time to admit Pakistan is no friend, and to derail the gravy train all together?

Those billions we’ve already given them have no doubt been misspent. Experts tell us so. And Pakistan’s war on terror? It’s a sick joke. They essentially force us to enter their territory to get the terrorists, then they complain when we do.

“If this is cooperation, I’d hate like hell to see opposition,” says Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

If Pakistan is a friend, it’s a treacherous, traitorous one.

We can’t cut them off soon enough.

Maybe the day after Navy SEALs swoop in and rescue Shakil Afridi.

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harley_52
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harley_52 05/25/12 - 09:56 pm
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Yes, but Pakistan has "the

Yes, but Pakistan has "the bomb." And Pakistan has a history of cooperating with Islamic terrorists. Not a good combination and one that explains why we've been "giving Pakistan billions of taxpayers’ dollars."

We've been giving them billions all the while knowing they're cooperating with the Islamic terrorists, hoping (foolishly, IMHO) maybe they won't give the terrorists too much.

We've been trying to appease them by paying them off, even when they deny us the use of our supply lines into our bases and our troops in Afghanistan. There is no doubt the billions we've paid them have been used to arm and support the terrorists killing our troops.

Someday, we're going to have to confront those who are working feverishly to arm themselves sufficiently to destroy us. Pakistan already has nukes, Iran soon will.

Why can't we all just get along?

Kumbaya.....

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 05/25/12 - 11:34 pm
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I agree wholeheartedly ACES

I say not another dime to that corrupt, ungrateful, lying, poor excuse for an ally country. Pakistan (not the people the government) is no friend to the USA. We should tell them just where they can go and if they ever mess with us we'll swoop in and take out thier leaders in one raid. If they think the SEALs raid was something wait until they see just how strong this country can be when it needs to be. Our armed forces could topple that government in a week and they need to know it.
As you can see I think Pakistan is a sleazy, shady poor excuse for a country and I don't want a penny of our tax dollars going to those ungrateful BUMS!

debbiep38
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debbiep38 05/26/12 - 12:18 am
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RA, we can agree on this one,
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RA, we can agree on this one, right?

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/26/12 - 04:26 am
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"we’re sure the trash folks

"we’re sure the trash folks and cable guy and roof repair crews had occasion to visit."

ACEs, I think I understand your meaning, but either you dumbed it down or have no idea what its like over there.

Cable guy? Nope, its SAT TV almost exclusively. Broadcast still exist too. Cable? Nope. It would be stripped down, melted down and sold too often.

Trash guy? Maybe in the inner city, but rural folks either burn it, dump it in a creek, or pay some local to haul it away to burn or dump in a creek somewhere.

Roof or other repair crews? Okay, sure. You can bet bin Laden wasn't using the Yellow pages. He calls his PAKI protectors, and protector sends his tribally affiliated vetted construction crew.

Did everyday people other than the good Doctor know bin Laden was living there? Sure. Why didn't they come forward? Fear. Fear of retribution from radical tribal leaders and the Pakistani government.

my.voice
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my.voice 05/26/12 - 05:51 am
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I wonder is Seal Team Six is

I wonder is Seal Team Six is up for a rescue mission!

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/26/12 - 07:03 am
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PAKISTAN
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Are we forgetting that this is the same country that burned our embassy down in 1979 after a "report" that the US had bombed the shrine at Mecca (It didn't happen.), an act that killed two of our people? With friends like Pakistan, who needs enemies?

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/26/12 - 07:36 am
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First off, pronounce it right.

Y'all hear how Obama pronounces Pakistan and you should say it like him. Remember he stayed there awhile when he was in college. He knows what's best with for his friends there.

JRC2024
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JRC2024 05/26/12 - 07:49 am
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I just talked the other day

I just talked the other day to a brave soldier who has had five tours in Afghanistan Iraq and Bosnia. He says we should pack up and leave and I tend to agree. How can you help people who are still in tribal mode? He also says we should take over the oil sales and start paying back the money we spent and I also agree with him on that. You just cannot trust any of those countries.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/26/12 - 08:22 am
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We should fight wars only

We should fight wars only when necessary and only if we intend to win them. Sending the military in to feign resolve is dishonorable and, in my opinion, downright evil. Further, we should only provide financial support to those who support us, realizing that's not the same thing as saying "our friends."

But make no mistake about it. There are millions of people who intend to destroy us, have declared war on us, and are doing their damnedest to arm and organize themselves to succeed. Some of them already possess nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. Not only that, some of them are walking amongst us as you read this......

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 05/26/12 - 08:34 am
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What harley52 said.

What harley52 said.

draksig
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draksig 05/26/12 - 08:45 am
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If the Obama administration

If the Obama administration had been able to keep a secret this man would not be in a Pakistani prison today. Instead they leaked most of the planning data to the press and given Hollywood complete access all in an attempt to get Obama re-elected.

When the USA captured Saddam Hussein Democrats warned Bush not to use his capture as a campaign tool (and he never did). Bush gave full credit for the capture to the American soldiers.

Obama on the other hand is using the killing of OBL as the centerpiece of his re-election and is personally taking full credit for the success of the mission and if the stories are correct, was planning on placing full blame of failure on the Seal Team.

JRC2024
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JRC2024 05/26/12 - 09:00 am
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I am sorry but Obama did not

I am sorry but Obama did not kill obl. The seal team did and they deserve the credit.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/26/12 - 09:07 am
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JongBrownAug...... Pahkeestan

JongBrownAug......

Pahkeestan.

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/26/12 - 10:08 am
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Thank you, Harley

President Obama has been teaching us all how to say it right. We should listen to our leader. It's probably a good idea to change the spelling to reflect how President Obama says it. After all, he stayed with the Muslims there.

happychimer
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happychimer 05/26/12 - 11:51 am
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Obama never gave all the

Obama never gave all the credit to himself. there were many peopleinvolved in that operation, and Obama gave credit to all, including the Seals.

KSL
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KSL 05/26/12 - 11:57 am
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Obama over uses "I" and "me"

Obama over uses "I" and "me" and "my."

happychimer
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happychimer 05/26/12 - 12:25 pm
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I don't bother counting how

I don't bother counting how many of any particular words are used anywhere. Here it tells Obma gave credit where crdit was due.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-seals-troops-back-afghanistan-job-w...

twolane
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twolane 05/26/12 - 12:49 pm
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in case you havent heard most
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in case you havent heard most of seal team six is dead killed in a helicopter that was shot down......and pakistan gave the united states the chance to get osama if they could prove he did it.....and well no matter what we did violate another soveriegn nations border and airspace to assasinate a person in their country....so theres a few problems with your argument

specsta
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specsta 05/26/12 - 01:45 pm
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The Real Issue Is In the US

This country just gave a woman 20 years in prison for firing a gun into the air, to prevent her husband from attacking and possibly murdering her. She stood her ground and got tossed in the ditch by the courts as a result.

The US incarcerates over 2 million folks in this country, the worst prison system on the planet. Pakistan, Iran, China, etc. lock up fewer of its citizens than the US. Most folks are in prison in the US for non-violent offenses, almost two-thirds. We have some of the harshest and most cruel punishments for minor and non-violent offenses in the world - and the crime rate does not change. It does not work.

Yet, the Chronicle is worried about one case in Pakistan? Where are the editorials decrying the corruptness of for-profit prisons, and the new 21st-century enslavement of our citizens? Where's that editorial???

KSL
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KSL 05/26/12 - 01:45 pm
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I don't count his words

I don't count his words either since I don't listen to him. Can't stand to hear him speak.
Some one else did the counting when he made the announcement.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/26/12 - 02:35 pm
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My goodness, specsta, what a

My goodness, specsta, what a horrible country you choose to call home.

Why do you torture yourself by staying?

KSL
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KSL 05/26/12 - 02:51 pm
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Exactly, harley.

Exactly, harley.

Swampman
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Swampman 05/26/12 - 04:47 pm
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Craven politics

Wow, you can always count on the right-wing echo chamber around here to turn any conversation into another hate-fest directed towards the sitting and duly-elected President of the United States - or, rather, the ridiculous caricature created by the radical right, who, by the way, for such a bunch of self-styled patriots, sure do seem to hate every modern manifestation of our national government.

But heaven forfend if someone known to be on the other side of the political aisle makes any attempt to put the history of American policies into any kind of global geopolitical context! One cheap shot after another...

How the Sam Hill does anyone think we can deal effectively with the ugly realities of dealing with dubious and duplicitious allies like Pakistan if we can't even muster enough good faith to talk to each other like fellow citizens of this great American civilization?

We need to make an issue of this conviction at the highest levels and make it clear that if they don't discover some way to overturn this conviction lickety-split - say, an "act of Islamic mercy" - then we significantly re-think our relationship. And we underscore it with some very public embraces of their next-door neighbors, India, which would have the additional advantage of sending some subtle & necessary signals to China).

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desertcat6 05/26/12 - 04:48 pm
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Why stay? Because in many of

Why stay? Because in many of the 196 counties in the world you can still get shot, stoned, beaten, blown up or imprisioned for speaking your mind, taking a stand or demonstrating, and not just by the government. There are countries that still treat woman brutally or with little equality when compared to the standards known in the Western world. Is the US perfect? No. Have mistakes been made? Yes. Does that mean our entire system is flawed? Hardly.

Gage Creed
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Gage Creed 05/26/12 - 04:49 pm
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Traffic accident in N.

Traffic accident in N. Korea??? Surely you jest....(no I didn't call you Shirley)

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/26/12 - 06:17 pm
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Specta, Crime rates may not

Specta, Crime rates may not change, but there is a impact on recidivism rates. Took a quick look at them via the analysis tool at the Bureau of Justice Statitics. It gives you lots of filters to age, gender, race, and crime to include drug possession. Bottom line, one imprisionment does deter crime overall and in some populations more than others.

specsta
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specsta 05/26/12 - 06:50 pm
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Harley_52 and KSL, Am I to

Harley_52 and KSL,

Am I to assume that we are to turn a blind eye to injustice in this country? That if I don't embrace the inequalities of justice in this country, I'm supposed to just leave? Am I to think that it's normal for my country to have the largest prison system in the world and that it's normal for folks to rake in profits by keeping non-violent citizens caged behind bars? That if I have a problem with these things, I am just supposed to leave?

Nonsense.

In the history of this country, it is the courageous who refuse to flee. Harriet Tubman stayed. Sojouner Truth stayed. FDR stayed. JFK stayed. Dr. King stayed. Countless others stayed because they refused to tolerate the injustice inflicted upon the enslaved, the poor, the downtrodden and ignored citizens of this country. They stayed because they loved this country, and could not stand by idly while unjust policies affected the most helpless.

Instead of asking those who think things can be better in the US to leave, how about giving some serious consideration to the issues that are being addressed? That is, to proactively think about solutions to help with America's problems.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/26/12 - 06:53 pm
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So, this doesn't mean anything?

"I don't bother counting how many of any particular words are used anywhere."

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/05/17/bush-vs-obama-diffe...

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madgerman 05/26/12 - 06:56 pm
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Things that are strange.  1. 
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Things that are strange.  1.  I don't recall a single interview where the President took credit for OBL's capture and execution.  Some folks believe that if someone breaks into their home while they are on vacation (non-violent crime) and steals everything, then that person shouldn't be prosecuted and punished?  I didn't know it offended people when the President said things like "WE can be proud of our Seal teams, or I am proud of our Seal teams, or MY cpuntry is a safer place because of the Seals. Note the use of the I, We , Our words. Now are they really offensive? P.S. if we don't like Pakistan, then do not vote for a standing member of congress for reelection, but that ain't gonna happen, is it.

happychimer
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happychimer 05/26/12 - 07:01 pm
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Swampman you said it!

Swampman you said it!

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