Civility takes a beating

Union chief's bashing of Haley sets a poor example -- again

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The liberal media couldn’t wait to blame conservatives after the Gabby Giffords shooting.

They just assumed the shooter was a conservative whipped up by conservative talk. They even named names. President Obama joined in, lecturing the nation on civil discourse.

Since then, of course, we learned that the congresswoman’s shooting had nothing to do with conservatives. Oops.

Meanwhile, real, undeniable left-wing hate speech has been well documented, if largely ignored by the liberal media.

And this week, a union official in South Carolina was caught on video slamming a piñata with Gov. Nikki Haley’s image on it.

“Wait till the face comes around and whack her!” another woman cheers on in the video, as the outgoing president of the South Carolina AFL-CIO, Donna Dewitt, hits the spinning piñata with a bat. “Give her another whack! Give her another whack!”

It was a rather sedate setting, the whacks weren’t overly violent and Dewitt insists it was all in good fun. But the video is ugly, nonetheless, particularly in light of the left’s calls for civility – and their warnings that even innocuous depictions or mentions of violence can inspire real acts of it.

Mercifully, the union’s national office denounced the piñata bashing, saying, “While it was meant as fun, there is absolutely no place for that kind of joke in a conversation that is extremely serious about how to rebuild our middle class and our country. ... We do not believe that’s an appropriate joke – working people deserve a better conversation.”

Of course, the statement included the national office’s own swipe at Haley – and Dewitt was wholly unbowed by it all.

If you’ve ever seen far-left cable network MSNBC at night, you know what bile looks like. It’s a piñata bashing every night.

When is the left going to take its own misdirected advice on civility?

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Techfan
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Techfan 05/24/12 - 03:44 am
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Yes, like Giffords, who had

Yes, like Giffords, who had gun site crosshairs placed on her, and was ultimately shot by a gun, Ms Haley, who had an effigy of her as a pinata, will be tied to the top of a pavillion and beaten with a bat until candy falls out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZUa0hoq5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJr_v6ngbq8

Where was the outrage from the AC?

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JohnBrownAug 05/24/12 - 04:40 am
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Nikki Haley has also been

Nikki Haley has also been subjected to racial derogatory remarks by the liberals. It reminds me when Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal came out at the Louisiana State House to deliver a speech in rebuttal to Obama and Chris Matthews laughed at his mere presence as he walked out. Did Matthews apologize? Nope. They use his recorded laugh every night on his program.

Beating the picture of someone with a bat is another level and this was done by the SC union official. The link Techfan posted is some anonymous idiot shooting a picture of Obama. There is no logical comparison.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/24/12 - 04:56 am
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Just admit the Haley effigy

Just admit the Haley effigy batting practice was over the top, demonstrates poor judgement, and move on.

Techfan
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Techfan 05/24/12 - 05:54 am
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Yes it was, just as the Obama

Yes it was, just as the Obama pinatas are, especially the guy shooting one with the explosive charge inside. The AC, however, didn't seem to think these newsworthy.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 05/24/12 - 06:14 am
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TECH-perhaps they dont have

TECH-perhaps they dont have time to monitier everything on the net as you seem to have time to..quess it was newsworthy since we border so. carolina and have subscribers in south carolina..

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/24/12 - 06:14 am
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Yep, dumb, but there is a

Yep, dumb, but there is a difference. One is the out going head of the SC AFL-CIO and the others are, other than being put on a Secret Service watch list, what?

TParty
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TParty 05/24/12 - 06:41 am
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Yep, it was wrong for that

Yep, it was wrong for that person to hit a picture of a Haley with a bat. She even cheated by not wearing a blindfold, so double fail.

What I get a kick out of though is that this union-lady-nobody (seriously- did anyone outside of her group know who she is?) gets attention by ACES, however Ted Nugent never gets a mention. This is a man who makes news all the time, is on Fox all the time, represents things like the NRA and is best buds with Sean Hannity. This guy can say things like "I'll either be dead or in jail if Obama is President again" and then goes on to compare Obama and all democrats to coyotes that need to be shot, and never a peep from ACES.

Actually, I don't get a kick out of it. I find it very disgusting. You lose all integrity when you attempt to paint an entire group as violent, ugly and lacking civility while never, EVER shining the light on your side, calling them out. To put blinders on and refuse to speak out strongly against more famous people that say heinous, violent, and disgusting things time and time again (Look at Nugents record) just proves what hacks ACES people are, and that they do not mean anything they write. You can't. You cannot go after this nobody, while ignoring the more famous and well known disgusting, uncivilized, and violent members who share your ideology.

Techfan
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Techfan 05/24/12 - 06:45 am
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Perhaps they just get feeds

Perhaps they just get feeds from extreme right wing sites and, instead of coming up with their own editorials, just reword the info from the web. Of course they'd never use someone elses words and ideas. See: Kent, Phil plagiarism.

owensjef3
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owensjef3 05/24/12 - 08:03 am
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Wow the way this Editorial
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Wow the way this Editorial Board treats the current President you guys write this, this is some shameful stuff.

owensjef3
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owensjef3 05/24/12 - 08:03 am
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Wow the way this Editorial
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Wow the way this Editorial Board treats the current President you guys write this, this is some shameful stuff.

shrimp for breakfast
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shrimp for breakfast 05/24/12 - 08:15 am
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Don't be bias ACES

Both parties are guilty. Nothing but negitivity. Blame goes to both the liberals and conservatives.

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Bruno 05/24/12 - 08:19 am
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"Yes, like Giffords, who had

"Yes, like Giffords, who had gun site crosshairs placed on her, and was ultimately shot by a gun..."

Techfan, she wasn't shot "by a gun", she was shot "with a gun". Also, the link between the Gifford's shooting and anything that was put out by conservatives has been shown to be non-existent. This editorial was not about the President, Owensjef, but rather about the actions of Donna Dewitt and the media.

I do say that the idea that in order to be outraged by "x" you have to be outraged by "y" is logically flawed. But both sides charge the other with it.

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desertcat6 05/24/12 - 08:44 am
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And I believe there is a

And I believe there is a distinct difference when it comes to the actions of elected officials, private - famous, infamous, or obscure - citizens, government employees, and leaders of unions, churches, community action grougs, and political parties/groups. Perhaps a call for civility among the famous private citizens involved in or feel qualified to comment on US politics is overdue. The list will surely weigh heavily against liberals if we take a fair honest look back over the last ten years.

TParty
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TParty 05/24/12 - 08:58 am
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"I do say that the idea that

"I do say that the idea that in order to be outraged by "x" you have to be outraged by "y" is logically flawed."

We need to hold our selves to a higher standard. We know liberals are going to cheat, say ugly things, and conduct nasty actions. But to fight that, we need to purge the ugliness from our ranks. We need to be stronger when it comes to the bad apples who call themselves conservative, and we need to be louder, speaking out against conservative folks that act like liberals. We expect this behavior from the left, that's not a shocker. In my mind, it's worse when it comes from the right, and it's silence. The Ted Nugent thing is a perfect example. And I find it difficult to point my finger at others without ever looking in the mirror.

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Rhetor 05/24/12 - 09:07 am
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well...

Surely the pinata incident was wrong, and the half-hearted apology was, at best, hardly better than no apology. I respectfully submit, however, that an editorial staff that routinely calls people who disagree with their opinions "lapdogs," that published a birther op-ed, and questioned the president's religious faith, is not in the best position to talk about civility. Thank you, however, for expressing your views.

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justthefacts 05/24/12 - 09:33 am
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Rhetor

Rhetor, while not a birther and don't care about President Obama's religion, only the hypocracy of it, why is questioning either uncivil? It is not the "questioning" that is at issue here, but the method...I think.

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Iwannakno 05/24/12 - 09:38 am
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Democrats started the gun
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Democrats started the gun crosshair thing not Repubs. That being said, either side calling the other out for negativity would be like Charles Manson calling John Hinckley Jr. crazy...

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/24/12 - 12:14 pm
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Eye-opening!!

The quiz show Jeopardy recently had a tournament with national correspondents and political pundits -- very well-known, respected leaders of the press and media from a variety of networks. You got to see these folks with no script, no spin, no preparation. Just an objective test of how much they really knew on a completely level playing field.

I was amazed -- AMAZED! -- at how LITTLE these folks knew. Most all of them, with just a few exceptions, came across as just plain ignorant. I don't want to say, "dumb", but it's hard not to make that conclusion.

The worst, by far, was Chris Matthews. This guy was just clueless. His general knowlege of basic information was amazingly bad. I'm sorry, but I got the impression he was little more than a buffoon; a talking head with very little substance "between the ears". He was a total embarrassment, and should never have been on the stage.

The seriously disturbing thing is that THESE are the folks that are providing information for the American people. These are the "experts" we rely upon for news and information. Sorry, but they just appear to be inept at understanding things and knowing even the basics that someone in their exalted position should know.

In contrast, Chris Wallace and Anderson Cooper came across as fairly intelligent and sharp. They easily won their rounds and pretty much embarrassed their "competition". But, those two were about it in terms of intelligence, I'm afraid.

Heaven help us with these clowns. We're being taught by dummies (literally) that need to take basic remediation courses themselves. No wonder we're in the state we're in, and we have such a quagmire of opinions and knowledge in this nation. Our national media folks seem to barely have enough intelligence to tie their own shoes, much less teach us what's happening in the world.

TParty
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TParty 05/24/12 - 10:23 am
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Ha! Was that recent one,

Ha! Was that recent one, Howcanweknow?

A while back, maybe in '09 Wolf Blitzer was on there. He finished negative $4,200. Did Matthews at least beat that?

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/24/12 - 11:21 am
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Yep

TP, yes it was just last week, I believe. I too remember Wolf's performance. It was equally embarassing.

Mathews did finish with a positive score, but he was negative through most of the first round.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I could not help but be amazed at the performance of these "experts". And, of note, because they were playing for charity, I would say the questions were "dumbed down" just a bit. For example, there were no science questions at all. They tried to tailor the questions more toward politics and history -- things you would THINK these political correspondents would be more familiar with.

Sadly, that was not the impression they gave. You get these folks out of the newsroom, and away from their prepared scripts, and they really show their true colors.

Frightening! Very scary indeed to see the truth of just how "smart" these folks really are!

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Bizkit 05/24/12 - 12:03 pm
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Let's keep our eye on the

Let's keep our eye on the ball and what a terrible and ineffective president Obama has been. I wager the economy would be doing better without any of his actions (you can't really prove either). Obamacare is so unpopular even Dems are running from it, energy policy a bomb, economic policy a bomb, adopted many of the "failed" Bush policies, Gitmo still open but not growing because he just assassinates everyone, escalated Afghanistan effort and now pulling out, foreign policies inconsistent, complains about opportunity for everyone (code for redistribute wealth) when "he is a middle class african-american"-sounds like plenty of opportunity to me-and he's a millionaire too. Oh wow poor kid. Obama is a one trick pony-play on class warfare to create divide and try to win mass support. How he can complain Mitt doesn't have the experience to be prez is beyond logic and believe-when he is a community organizer, no financial experience, no executive experience, just little experience except being an academic. Goah.

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allhans 05/24/12 - 01:02 pm
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I watched the union woman

I watched the union woman beating the Haley pinata and she was really beating that thing. The woman has to be dangerous. I mean, after beating it down she kept on until it was confetti. I wouldn't want her for a neighbor.

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CobaltGeorge 05/24/12 - 01:05 pm
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Tell me, how civil would I be

Tell me, how civil would I be if I replaced all my targets on my gun range to pictures of our King?

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Bizkit 05/24/12 - 01:05 pm
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Remember the movie

Remember the movie Network-"I'm made has H-ll and I'm not going to take this anymore. I guess they are a little frustrated. It's therapeutic-like porno actually decreases crime-this will protect some politician from a nut and real violent crime. Yep that's the ticket.

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Bizkit 05/24/12 - 01:07 pm
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This is America, and at least

This is America, and at least for right now, you can proudly hate anyone you like. Love-hate two sides of the same coin. You can get killed for either.

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JohnBrownAug 05/24/12 - 02:39 pm
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The Chris Matthews' Episode Proved...

Matthews showing his ignorance on Jeopardy, represents how knowledgable the people who post here and on hundreds of other news sites are in comparison to the TV news people...and I mean liberal and conservative posters. It takes nothing to read a teleprompter except a third grade reading ability.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/24/12 - 03:48 pm
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Sad but true

Agreed, JBA. It is very sad. How do these folks get appointed to positions that influence the thoughts and views of so many Americans? Something is not right here.

It does almost make you believe some of the wild conspiracy theories that there is some group, somewhere, that is controlling all this stuff. They have the power, and simply put puppets and mouthpieces outfront to give voice and power to their wishes.

Knowledge is power, and we need to make sure we know what is going on -- and not believe everything we hear the so-called "experts" in the media tell us.

I won't ever trust a word Mathews says now. I've seen proof that he's clearly not the brightest pixel on my TV screen.

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dstewartsr 05/24/12 - 03:51 pm
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It's not just the news reporters

"It takes nothing to read a teleprompter except a third grade reading ability."

I feel the same about the ones MAKING the news.

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Bizkit 05/24/12 - 04:29 pm
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Ideologues have already made

Ideologues have already made up their minds and accepted a stance so they are incapable of learning or accepting any new information especially anything contrary to their ideology (develop a mindblindness to any other beliefs but their own) If it doesn't fit it just don't compute.

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rmwhitley 05/24/12 - 05:44 pm
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lefties
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are as relevant as the marxist bile they espouse. It may not happen in my lifetime, but the left will have to clean up the hell they have wrought upon a once great United States of America.

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