Is this a nation of laws?

Hugo Diaz case leaves disturbing questions unanswered

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Lord help us if we don’t learn from the case of Hugo Diaz. But it appears many will not.

The Columbia County illegal-alien building contractor got 15 months in federal prison last Tuesday for harboring illegal aliens himself. Diaz had managed to ensconce himself here illegally in a very nice multimillion-dollar house and build up a substantial contracting business on the back of other illegal immigrants – using the cheap labor to leverage an unfair business advantage over legal contractors who abide by our laws.

Yet, Diaz had considerable local support in the courtroom – otherwise sensible business people who somehow thought this guy was getting a raw deal.

To heck with the rest of Columbia County and their silly rules!

What in the world are these people thinking? That it’s a victimless crime? Someone innocently pursuing the American dream? Hardly. This guy was a predator scamming the system and cheating those who follow the rules.

Moreover, get this: Of 23 illegal aliens the Diaz family harbored, 21 of them managed to get arrested in Columbia County – for such things as driving under the influence; 21 out of 23! What are the odds of that?

Those who supported this kind of lawbreaking – openly, in one of our federal courts – ought to be eternally ashamed. And those who enabled Diaz ought to be arrested themselves. Let’s hope Diaz provided prosecutors with the information necessary.

“There is no way he could’ve pulled off what he pulled off without some enabling going on,” one knowledgeable source told us.

How did he get business licenses, building permits, bank accounts, new vehicles and more? How can an illegal alien just set up shop on a golf
course in the middle of a community without aid and comfort?

This isn’t being anti-immigration; it’s anti-crime. Not all immigration is created equal. Don’t skip over the word “illegal” when it applies, because there’s a world of difference between the two. Ask anyone who’s been naturalized.

Nor is it humane to encourage law-breaking. This country’s unforgivable indecision on whether it wants to recognize – i.e., secure – its own border is causing this mess. We’re sending a message to people who are naturally disinclined to following rules that there may not be any here. When we wake up and occasionally decide otherwise, it’s a shock to some folks.

Let’s decide, one way or another, whether we’ve got a nation of laws here or not.

In this case, for once, we got it right.

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JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/21/12 - 04:12 am
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Let's be realists. Does

Let's be realists. Does anyone actually believe of the 24 arrested, they are not all back in this country working already? Does anyone believe Diaz won't be back using another name when he gets out in 15 months? The only reason anyone turned him in is he ticked off his neighbors in the nice neighborhood with all the people camping out at his house. Our border means nothing, plus we want the cheap labor.

Did you see a few months back the Georgia farmers demanding the government back off enforcing the immigration laws here? They want the cheap labor.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/21/12 - 05:38 am
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ILLEGAL ALIENS
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Don't you know...its not PC to call them illegal aliens. Now, you must refer to them as UNDOCUMENTED. How's this for a source of cheap labor...its called THE GEORGIA STATE PRISON! Let's actually get something for the billions we spend for these people.

jic
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jic 05/21/12 - 06:54 am
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John Brown is right
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Illegal immigrants are not a threat to this economy. Business owners who hire them are. No work, no illegal immigration. The flip side is the business owner usually has the means to take his business to Mexico or elsewhere to exploit cheap labor wherever it can be found. Americans are screwed no matter what.

seenitB4
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seenitB4 05/21/12 - 06:56 am
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Answer please

So what is the answer johnbrown of Augusta??
The people trying to stop this now have lawsuits against them by our federal gimmmiement......
Should we shoot all coming across the border----should we open the border & say have at it----should we stamp their fore head with a stamp that says I'm not legal ----????

TParty
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TParty 05/21/12 - 07:19 am
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The numbers of people leaving

The numbers of people leaving are greater than the number of people arriving. There is a net loss of illegal immigration. Some has to do with strict policy, like Alabama and Arizona has. (Although Alabama is losing a lot of money in the agriculture because of no migrant workers.) Other reasons are because businesses are getting caught, and thus re-thinking how they do business.

This local case of ours is unique in the fact Diaz was not cleaning hotel rooms, but some how getting permits, legal papers, all sorts of complicated and in-depth items I don't know about, to run multi-million dollar business. I get the impression that many people in Augusta turned a blind eye to this illegal activity because profits were to be made, but that's just my gut.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/21/12 - 07:51 am
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seenitB4 asked "Should we

seenitB4 asked "Should we shoot all coming across the border----should we open the border & say have at it----should we stamp their fore head with a stamp that says I'm not legal ----????"

We're not serious about stopping/slowing illegal immigration. We could do it in a month if we wanted to. Instead of stopping it we piddle with it to give the false impression that we weally, weally want to stop it because it appeases some voters who want it stopped. The "fence" is a perfect example of "piddling." Most countries don't have a problem with people illegally flowing across their borders.

If we want to stop it, we'll have to make it painful for those who break the law. We could do it at the border by setting up machine gun positions every 1 km along the border. We wouldn't have to shoot many for the word to get out.

We could do it by arresting all illegal immigrants and incarcerating them in tent cities around the Country having them work on state farms or repairing roads and ultimately deporting them.

We could do it by punishing anyone who hires them so severely that nobody would even think about hiring an illegal.

We could do it by cutting off ALL federal, state, and local services to anybody who couldn't prove their citizenship.

All of those things COULD work IF we were serious about stopping illegal immigration. But we're NOT serious.

TParty
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TParty 05/21/12 - 08:17 am
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Oh Harley, so glad you are

Oh Harley, so glad you are here.

"We could do it by arresting all illegal immigrants and incarcerating them in tent cities around the Country having them work on state farms or repairing roads and ultimately deporting them."

So you support gulags, that is sweet.

"We could do it by punishing anyone who hires them so severely that nobody would even think about hiring an illegal.

We could do it by cutting off ALL federal, state, and local services to anybody who couldn't prove their citizenship."

The US Army has a recruitment program for people without citizenship, even signs them up without them being American. I wonder if you would cut off military funding.

Also, facts are that illegals are not coming into this country anymore. We have a net loss.

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/21/12 - 08:27 am
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The Army does not take

The Army does not take ILLEGAL immigrants. But you are right the number of illegals has decreased from 12 million to 11.1 in the latest stat I saw. Our bad economy is making them leave. So is the answer to getting them out of the country a bad economy? I don't think so. The reality is with 11 million here, locking a few up does nothing to stop them taking the jobs.

But we actually need people willing to work and do these physically demanding jobs. Low wage Americans have become lazy. These 11 million do those tough jobs.

My solution is to close the border so none get in without work visas. Plus, ensure everyone has a work visa or some type of paper that proves you are a citizen, legal alien, etc. before you can get a job in this country. Thus, we keep the cheap labor, but shut the flow off at the border.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/21/12 - 08:44 am
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JohnBrownAug said ..."But we

JohnBrownAug said ..."But we actually need people willing to work and do these physically demanding jobs. Low wage Americans have become lazy. These 11 million do those tough jobs."

Why do you suppose "low wage Americans have become lazy?" Is it because we encourage it? We pay people to be lazy. We've trained people to be lazy. We must like it. Do you suppose they'd work if their meals and their housing depended on it?

He also said "My solution is to close the border so none get in without work visas. Plus, ensure everyone has a work visa or some type of paper that proves you are a citizen, legal alien, etc. before you can get a job in this country. Thus, we keep the cheap labor, but shut the flow off at the border."

How do you "close the border so none get in.....?"

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/21/12 - 08:51 am
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I have no problem with the

I have no problem with the arrest and prosecution of Diaz per se. It's just curious to me that we jail and sieze the assets of this guy because he was successful and paid taxes but the millions of illegals that are here, JUST AS ILLEGALLY, are automatically put on the welfare roles and given free schooling and medical care. The feds don't go after them at all. In fact, they obstruct any state that is trying to tighten up on the illegals. So, is it our policy to only arrest the ones who are paying taxes or was it that he made the mistake of moving into the wrong neighborhood?

Or is it that the feds would not get as much good press by going down to Arizona and taking a hundred thousand or so off of the welfare and medicaid rolls. Between the two situations, which ones are really causing the biggest negative financial impact on the citizens....Diaz or the ones the feds won't do anything about? Is the message we want to send to the illegals "You can come here illegally and we will feed, house, school, and tend you medically, but damnit don't be successful". "Stay under the radar and keep it on the low down and everything will be hunky dory".

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/21/12 - 08:55 am
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We are a charitable people

We are a charitable people and don't want anyone to starve and not have shelter. We need to supply the basic staples of foods such as, rice, beans and some type of protein. These should be giving out in burlap bags. Shelter should be large tents with cots. While the downtrodden are there, their basic necessities are met, but the Spartan conditions also give the residents an impetus to get out, find work and better themselves. It's a constant motivational game to make people work in a capitalist system. Few actually want to work hard jobs. The rewards make the jobs tolerable.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/21/12 - 09:37 am
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I agree with much of what you

I agree with much of what you say, JohnBrownAug. We are a charitable people, some to a fault, but you're not doing anybody any favors when you encourage them to be lazy, unemployed, and dependent on others for their survival. Our goal should be to help everybody improve their lot in life and you don't do that by encouraging mediocrity, dependency, and hopelessness.

You say "It's a constant motivational game to make people work in a capitalist system." Actually, it's a lot easier in a capitalist system than in any other. In a capitalist system individuals can achieve and excel through their own hard work. The more they prepare themselves, the harder they work, and the more they achieve the greater the benefits that reward them for that preparation and work. In a socialistic system, motivation becomes more and more difficult as workers realize the fruits of their labor are being given to those who aren't working. Eventually, they get tired of doing all the work and decide to just lower their standards and live off an ever decreasing number of workers until everybody gives up (or leaves) and motivation becomes the barrel of a gun when communist leaders FORCE people to work or suffer the punishment.

Capitalism is the most efficient and successful economic system ever devised. Unfortunately, it eventually fails when governments choose to corrupt it with overly generous tax giveaways which eventually destroy it and lead to socialism/communism.

We're on our last legs here in the U.S..

CobaltGeorge
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CobaltGeorge 05/21/12 - 10:52 am
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harley

"We're on our last legs here in the U.S.."

So True and sad that so many dumb humans do not realize it.

Iwannakno
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Iwannakno 05/21/12 - 12:35 pm
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I have always been a
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I have always been a proponent of a hand up...but teach these people a job skill to prepare them for self reliance. Giving someone a check only insures that they know the way back and forth to the bank every month...

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/21/12 - 01:44 pm
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Soapy...

Legal aliens can serve in the military. There is an expedited citizenship track for those who do.

allhans
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allhans 05/21/12 - 02:53 pm
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Are there actual people here

Are there actual people here that are so uninformed that they believe an illegal can join the military.
Lots of documentation, birth certificate, high school diploma..it aint easy.
And what Harley is suggesting for punishment is less harsh than what our military recruits endure.

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/21/12 - 04:51 pm
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If We're Talking Possibilities

If we are saying it's possible an illegal alien could get around security checks and somehow join the military, I say anything is possible, but it is certainly the policy of the military to prevent illegals from joining. Extensive background checks are done on those who join the military. But, heck, anything is possible. Maybe it's possible a non-citizen could end up president. Who knows?

dwb619
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dwb619 05/21/12 - 05:12 pm
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I have argued this "illegal"

I have argued this "illegal" problem many times.
Referring to the farmers, there once was a program that tracked and monitored the people following the harvest. these people were called "migrants" , not illegals. I don't know what happened to the program.
The general contractors have taken a lesson from the old peach farmers. Insulating themselves from the "illegal" work force by calling them sub-contractors.
I somewhat disagree with the statement of no one wanting to do low wage manual labor. I remember when a concrete mason,brick mason,carpenter,painter,roofer,,etc. were not LOW PAID.

This has changed since the illegals have become entrenched in our communities, with massive help from a host of unethical contractors.
If you have watched Lou Dobbs, he advocated the enforcement of a 1947 federal law, mandating the imprisonment of the employers of illegals.
His term was self-deportation, which meant the illegals left when the job opportunities dried up. Cost to the government for deportation-nothing.
If every person in this country would refuse to do business with anyone employing illegals we wouldn't have this problem.
Now, we will see how long it takes for general contractors to blast this post.

itsanotherday1
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itsanotherday1 05/21/12 - 06:42 pm
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Harley sez

"We could do it by punishing anyone who hires them so severely that nobody would even think about hiring an illegal.'

That one action alone would eliminate the majority of it; and I've been singing that song to my elected representatives for years.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 05/21/12 - 09:41 pm
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Justice For All?

I think the simple solution is to make sure anyone connected in any possible way, i. e. Knew them, spoke to them, opened an account for them , gave credit to them, worked for them, they worked for , sold any goods, services to them, did any legal work for them, sold any property to them, sold any permits to them, performed any medical or dental services
dental services on them, collected any taxes from them, educated any of their children , babysat for them, served them in any restaurants, or bought any house they built should be locked up for the rest of their lives to include any heirs, successors or assigns. That should take care of everything and be completely fair and justice for all. Can we please move on now?

fedex227
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fedex227 05/21/12 - 10:34 pm
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"How did he get business
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"How did he get business licenses, building permits, bank accounts, new vehicles and more? How can an illegal alien just set up shop on a golf
course in the middle of a community without aid and comfort?"

I don't mean to sound too critical, but aren't these the type of questions that could be answered (or at least looked into by), oh, I don't know, say a city's local newspaper? Less liberal bashing and more investigative journalism might provide the answers to some of these questions.

mgloz1
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mgloz1 05/22/12 - 10:42 am
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IS THIS A NATION OF LAWS?

HUGO DIAZ WAS BRAKING THE LAW THE MOMENT HE CROSSED THE BORDER ILLEGALLY. AFTER HE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HE KEPT ON BRAKING THE LAW. WHEN HE HELPED THOSE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CROSS THE BORDER AND SHELTERED THEM (NOT NECESSARILY IN HIS OWN HOUSE, BUT IN ONE OF THE MANY HE HAD OR RENTED FOR THEM AROUND TOWN), THOSE ILLEGAL WORKERS WORKED FOR DIAZ AS SLAVES FOR THE YEARS IT TOOK THEM PAYING THE COYOTE (THAT DIAZ GRATIOUSLY PAID FOR THEM). WHAT ABOUT THE BUILDERS THAT GAVE DIAZ WORK? ARE THEY GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED? THE INFORMATION WE ARE GETTING IS ONLY "THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG"

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