A hellish act

It can't get hot enough for anyone who'd kill 270 innocent people

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Hell likely opens up especially wide for some people. One would think the cold-blooded mass murderer who bombs an airliner would be one of them.

And in that select group, the Lockerbie bomber stands out as one of the most contemptible. That crime against humanity was an early trendsetter in the decades-long war on civilization by Muslim terrorists and the loathsome governments that give them flight. He no doubt inspired and empowered malignant lunatics who followed him.

The infamous killer slaughtered 270 innocent people – 259 on Pan Am flight 103 above the Scottish burg, and 11 on the ground below.

The Libyan convicted of the crime, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi, died Sunday at 60 of cancer in the comfort of home – nearly three years after Scottish authorities spat on the victims’ graves by releasing him on the grounds of compassion. At the time, he was given only months to live. In the end, he was given much more than the victims of Flight 103.

He and his family professed his innocence to the end – and, indeed, a post-Gadhafi Libya may unearth new evidence of the crime. There can be little doubt that Madman Gadhafi’s bloody fingerprints were all over that plane. But there is no disputing that Megrahi was a Gadhafi henchman, and was duly convicted in a court of law, and to this day must be considered a chief perpetrator.

Aviation history, sad to say, is littered with bombings of commercial aircraft. But the Lockerbie bombing, again, stands apart for its stunning loss of life, for its obscene callousness and for its siren song of nihilism.

Those of us with no connection whatsoever to the grisly attack are nonetheless haunted by its sheer horror and seeming randomness. Can you imagine how the families and friends feel?

The tragedy of even one interrupted life is unspeakable. The stabbing thought of 270 arrested life stories – the holes they leave in their loved ones’ lives, the happiness they might have created, the good works they might have left the world – is simply incomprehensible.

You have to think the timing of the attack – Dec. 21 – coincided nicely with Christmas, a good way to kill a princely sum of Christians traveling to be with friends and family for the holy day. Thirty-five of the dead on Flight 103 were Syracuse students returning for Christmas after a semester studying abroad. Several U.S. government officials on the flight also might have been chief targets. The rest of the carnage might have been a bonus, in these maniacs’ minds.

Many of us threw up a little in our mouths when Megrahi received a disgusting hero’s welcome in Gadhafi’s Libya.

One has to suspect the welcome was a bit less festive this week.

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JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/22/12 - 05:14 am
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The siren song of nihilism

The siren song of nihilism deserves a dose of reality of what death is like. The families of those on the plane he blew up must feel like Kevin Costner in the The Hatfields and McCoys, screaming, "Where is my justice?"

How about a cruise missle on the funeral procession for their justice?

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 08:51 am
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He believed that he'd be in

He believed that he'd be in "Muslim Heaven" attended by 99 virgins -- that's what Islam and his religious leaders preached. He killed 270 innocent people for his "god" (and apparently for Gadhafi as well).

I know not all Muslims are terrorist extremists, but you have to wonder about any belief system that does promote and even laud the killing of infidels.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 05/22/12 - 09:27 am
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I am just as furious with the

I am just as furious with the Scottish court/government that traded this guy for an oil deal with Libya.

TParty
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TParty 05/22/12 - 10:03 am
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Howcanweknow: Where does it

Howcanweknow:

Where does it say in the Qur'an that in Muslim heaven you get virgins?

Do you think it's fair to wonder about the Muslim belief system, lauding violence- while saying the violence in Christian bible doesn't count or is mistranslated, or is not literal violence?

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." From the Qur'an or Bible?

omnomnom
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omnomnom 05/22/12 - 10:35 am
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yeah, lets do some ruminating

yeah, lets do some ruminating on the numbers of innocent lives that CIA drones bring to quick painful needless end. So far we've killed around 5 innocent people for each terrorist that we've dispatched with a drone attack....

TParty
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TParty 05/22/12 - 11:54 am
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Of course I read further.

Of course I read further. Jesus spoke about hating your family if you love Jesus and want to follow him in the next couple lines.

The point is- clearly you and other Christians feel it's wrong I can post word for word from the bible, because it looks bad. However that same policy should not be applied to Qur'an. It's a safe bet you did not study the Qur'an, read/understand the original language and text. And so for Christians to say "you have to wonder about any belief system that does promote and even laud the killing of infidels"

broad street narrow mind
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broad street narrow mind 05/22/12 - 01:04 pm
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meanwhile on planet earth...
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"Lockerbie bomber: Public figures demand inquiry into conviction. The letter was signed by journalists, politicians and clerics as well as relatives of the bombing victims

Religious leaders, politicians and journalists have signed a letter calling for an independent inquiry into the Lockerbie bomber's conviction." from bbc news

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InChristLove 05/22/12 - 01:32 pm
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TParty, I'm sure you are an

TParty, I'm sure you are an intelligent person but it would do you well to do some research on the meaning of scripture. Even a basic commentary is helpful. In Matthew 10 when Jesus spoke of the sword, He is (as soapy_725 stated) speaking of the Word of God. As for "Jesus spoke about hating your family if you love Jesus", I do believe you have read scripture incorrectly (words have meaning).

Verse 35 states "I have come to turn....." Jesus said nothing about hate. In the context of this scripture he is referencing the descention in a family when one member of a household is a believer and the other is not a believer. Conflicts arrise when members of the same household hold different values, this is why Jesus also spoke against believers marrying non-believer.

The key element here is in verse 37....anyone who loves a father, mother, daughter, wife, etc, more than they love God will in the end loose their life, and those of us who have given it all to Him will have life eternal. Thank you Jesus!

overburdened_taxpayer
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overburdened_taxpayer 05/22/12 - 02:06 pm
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Bible v. Quran

TParty -
Let's talk about the biggest difference between the two. The Bible talks in the PAST tense stating what has happened and through that enlightens us on what should happen now.

The Quran talks in the PRESENT tense and tells Muslims what to do NOW such as Surah 4 vr 89 where it states that those who reject Islam must be killed. Surah 8 vr 67 - It is not of a prophet to take prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter of the land. Surah 8 vr 59-60 - Use terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of the non-believers of Allah and among others whom you do not know but Allah knows. Surah 5 vr 51 - Take not the Jews and Christians as friends and protectors, and if you do, you are nothing but one of them. When fighting them, punish them severely, so they leave their homes and become dispersed. Surah 8 vr 40 - Fight the infidels until there are no more infidels and disbelievers and until their religion is that of Allah alone.

There is not such thing as a Muslim extremist. They are fundamentalists who follow the teachings of their religion. If anything, you have so-so Muslims who are the opposite of the fundamentalists who do not have the fortitude to follow through on what the Quran teaches them to do.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 02:12 pm
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TP

It is well known that a major motivator for a Muslim Martyr is that if he kills infidels, a part of his reward is to be tended by 99 virgins in Muslim heaven. I cannot give you the exact Sura where this is found. But, the scholars I have read verify it.

This is important for Muslims, because they never know if they'll make it to Muslim heaven or not. It's up to the whims of Allah. I verified this at a Muslim funeral I attended where everyone begged Allah to please take the deceased into heaven because they were a "good" person. They had to plead his case constantly in the service. So, there's no guarantee of anything in Islam. Martyrs hedge their bet by killing infidels, where a reward is promised.

If you doubt that, please check it out for yourself.

Again, TP, as other have pointed out, you have such a superficial knowledge of what the Bible says that it messes you up. Yes, Jesus brought a sword. His word divides people. Even parent and child. That's not violence; that's just the truth. I"ve known many folks who were disowned by their family because they came to Christ. Heck, some Muslims are threatened with murder by their family if they turn from Islam to Christianity (but never the reverse).

You constantly criticize what you don't understand. I know your intentions are noble, but your knowledge is faulty and you conclusions are based upon lack of understanding. Not trying to be mean, but just being honest.

JohnBrownAug
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JohnBrownAug 05/22/12 - 02:17 pm
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Pretty Hard to Rationalize Blowing Up Planes

It's a stretch to rationalize terrorists blowing up planes with quotes from the bible.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 02:31 pm
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JBA

JohnBrownAug, it is indeed amazing to see how far people will go in their attempt to try and discredit the Bible. There's no limit to their creativity and avoidance of the simple truths.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 02:37 pm
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Don't forget, the Quran also

Don't forget, the Quran also gives a husband approval to beat his wife, if necessary (and I guess it's up to him to decide when that is necessary; convenient, no?)

It is also stated that it is more than OK to lie to infidels. Truth is not necessary for them. So, yes, the Quran OK's lying as well.

We won't even mention the intolerance Islam demonstrates toward women and homosexuals -- favorite talking points of liberals who hate Christianity, but seem to give Islam a bye on this intolerance.

Killing. Beating. Lying. Uncertainty of salvation. All just part and parcel of Islam, according to their holy book.

All the while, Jesus says love your neighbors and enemies, and provides the 100% assurance of heaven if you believe and obey Him.

Thank God we still (at least for now) have the individual right to choose between Islam and Christianity.

broad street narrow mind
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broad street narrow mind 05/22/12 - 03:48 pm
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i see we're onto the
Unpublished

i see we're onto the anti-islam multi-rant now. who coulda seen that coming?

broad street narrow mind
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broad street narrow mind 05/22/12 - 03:53 pm
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how does no one know about christian terrorists?
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"The details emerging about Scott Roeder, the man charged in Sunday's fatal shooting of Dr. George Tiller inside Tiller's church in Wichita, Kan., suggest ties to a loosely organized domestic terror network known as the Army of God, which has long engaged in harassment of and violence against abortion providers like Tiller as well as lesbians and gays.

While Roeder was a resident of Kansas, the network has a presence nationwide, including the South.

Among its affiliates are Eric Robert Rudolph, the North Carolina man and former fugitive serving multiple life sentences for the bombing at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, which killed one person and injured more than 100. Rudolph also confessed to the later bombings of abortion clinics in Georgia and Alabama as well as a lesbian bar in Atlanta. Letters sent to the media claiming credit for the attacks said they were carried out by "units" of the Army of God.

News reports about Sunday's killing in Wichita say Roeder -- who was also part of the anti-government "sovereign citizen" movement -- contributed articles and subscribed to Prayer & Action News, a publication overseen by Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines and a proponent of the concept of justifiable homicide of doctors who perform abortions. Leach told the New York Times of Tiller's murder, "To call this a crime is too simplistic."

In 1998, Prayer & Action news reprinted in full the Army of God Manual, a how-to guide for committing violence against abortion clinics. The final of the manual's three editions advocates murdering providers as the only way to stop abortion. The National Abortion Federation quotes the manual's opening declaration:

Beginning officially with the passage of the Freedom of Choice Act - we, the remnant of God-fearing men and women of the United States of Amerika [sic], do officially declare war on the entire child killing industry. After praying, fasting, and making continual supplication to God for your pagan, heathen, infidel souls, we then peacefully, passively presented our bodies in front of your death camps, begging you to stop the mass murdering of infants. Yet you hardened your already blackened, jaded hearts. We quietly accepted the resulting imprisonment and suffering of our passive resistance. Yet you mocked God and continued the Holocaust. No longer! All of the options have expired. Our Most Dread Sovereign Lord God requires that whosoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed. Not out of hatred of you, but out of love for the persons you exterminate, we are forced to take arms against you. Our life for yours - a simple equation.

The manual goes on to say that the Army of God is a "real Army, and God is the General and Commander-in-Chief." The soldiers do not usually communicate with each other or meet, it says:

That is why the Feds will never stop this Army. Never. And we have not yet even begun to fight.

Federal law enforcement officers dug up a copy of the manual from the yard of Oregon resident Rachelle "Shelly" Shannon after her arrest for the 1993 shooting of Tiller, in which he was wounded in both arms. Shannon was sentenced to 11 years in prison for the crime.

Among the other violent acts carried out by soldiers in the Army of God was a 1984 death threat to Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun, the bombings of the National Abortion Federation and the American Civil Liberties Union, and the mailing of more than 550 anthrax threat letters to clinics shortly after 9/11, for which Army of God member and North Dakota native Clayton Waagner was convicted and is now serving a prison sentence of more than 50 years. The letters were sent from Ohio, Georgia and Tennessee, and some were signed by "the Virginia Dare Cell of the Army of God," named for the first white child born in America's Roanoke Colony in present-day North Carolina.

The Army of God has also been linked to the shootings of at least five physicians, including the fatal 1998 shooting in New York of Dr. Barnett Slepian for which Army of God member James Kopp of California was convicted."
---- from southernstudies.com

TParty
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TParty 05/22/12 - 05:11 pm
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Every Christian on here is

Every Christian on here is right. Here is some violence from the Qur'an.

Surely thou will slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

"Happy the man who shall seize and smash your little ones against the rock."

"Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again."

And to ICL- who said to me " I do believe you have read scripture incorrectly".

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple."

I guess word don't have meaning in this case though.

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Retired Army 05/22/12 - 05:28 pm
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Sociopaths?

I intentionally left this thread alone to see if it would degenerate to a religious food fight and sure enough........

People! Truly God fearing people of all mainstream faiths are not terrorists. Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolf are no more good Christians than was Osama bin Laden(he whom our President had shot in the head) a good Muslim.

Let's begin by agreeing on this very important point. All terrorists and mass murders are sociopath's, some of whom claim religious beliefs.

And in another story here today, what the hell is a Baptist preacher doing toting a pistol into the hood to do some evangelizing?

Now we got an arguement going on about the quantity of virgins a jihadist receives on his entrance to Paradise. Heck, I'd be more inclined to worry about their quality vs. quantity. After all, 99 of the wrong ones could be hell.

broad street narrow mind
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broad street narrow mind 05/22/12 - 06:44 pm
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god bless retired army.
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god bless retired army.

smokeysbandit
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smokeysbandit 05/22/12 - 09:04 pm
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Which "religion" would you

Which "religion" would you prefer to follow...A) you die for the god you believe in and worship or B) THE God who loved you enough that HE died for YOU??

smokeysbandit
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smokeysbandit 05/22/12 - 09:08 pm
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Actually they don't receive

Actually they don't receive 99 virgins but rather the butt-whooping of 99 Virginians i.e. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson,etc!

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 05/22/12 - 09:40 pm
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TP, we try and explain things

TP, we try and explain things to you until our fingers are blue in the face, but you simply refuse to understand the truth about Christianity. All you do is keep bringing up the same OT references (which we've explained countless times to you) and then you insist upon misrepresenting Jesus' words to try and skew them to support what you keep saying.

I'm tired of trying to clarify your misconceptions. It does no good. You are determined NOT to see the truth of what the Bible says, and that is your right. But, I have to say that you do your arguments (and yourself) a great disservice by banging the same worn-out gong. You just clang on with no real meaning to your words now.

I hope that you'll thoughtfully consider the explanations that many on here have provided for you. If not, then I apologize for wasting your time. I don't want to waste any more space here trying to help someone who simply refuses to understand the truth.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 05/22/12 - 10:10 pm
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Ya see that's the problem

Ya see that's the problem with those who claim to know what's in their book. They constantly feel the need to interpret it for others less enlightened than they are.

It says this, but it really means that, so your grasp of the English language is in need of my guidance. If you see it different, it must mean you are different and therefore not worthy of the truth as we know it to be.

OK I'm with you on that Sparky.

You just go ahead and insist on how your book, in plain King James English, is to be interpreted by us poor lesser souls. KUMBAYAA, and thanks you massa.

There, TParty, now don't you feel all chastised and better?

And, someone had the gall to call me condescending on the boards last week?

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