A reminder for vigilance

Yet, White House insists there is no war on terror

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Since 2009, this White House has performed mental and verbal gymnastics to avoid using the word “terror.” They even took to calling the war on terror an “Overseas Contingency Operation.”

Yet, the terrorists keep coming.

The latest was another attempted underwear bombing of a U.S. airliner – except that the bomber was a spy for the good guys. The double agent not only thwarted the bombing attempt, but helped lead to a drone strike two weekends ago that killed a senior al-Qaida operative in Yemen.

The administration has reminded Americans to be “vigilant” – apparently as part of the Overseas Contingency Operation.

Why this administration is so afraid of calling this what it is – a global war with murderous Islamic terrorists – is beyond us. Especially when the terrorists and the plots just keep coming. What part of jihad don’t these people get?

The other question is: What happens to an American who is “vigilant”? Is it now kosher to report suspicious behavior by men of Middle-Eastern descent? In the past, that kind of vigilance has brought lawsuits and recriminations.

What assurances are there that the U.S. government will support or indemnify vigilant Americans for sharing sincere concerns and observations with authorities?

Rest assured, Americans take the threat of terrorism seriously.

It’s just their government’s pronouncements and promises they question.

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yakirz
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yakirz 05/13/12 - 11:42 pm
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Kind of like I question
Unpublished

Kind of like I question anything written by the Augusta Chronicle editorial staff. And then dismiss it as the rabid right-wing fearmongering garbage that it is.

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Retired Army 05/14/12 - 07:22 am
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Fear Mongers?

Another Obama victory against international terrorism and another anti Obama editorial.

Yep! Sure looks like a bunch of sour grapes losers to me.

We get out of the useless and unneeded war in Iraq, saving trillions of American taxpayers dollars, hunt down and kill the man truly responsible for 9/11, and then focus on and begin surgically and efficiently eliminating his followers world wide and the local yokel ACES "experts" are upset because this administration refuses to give these criminals a scary name?

Weak ACES, very weak.

Who's really the fear mongers here. It ain't our President! He's been too busy putting the fear where it belongs. On the SOB's who would harm us with violence. I like that.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/14/12 - 05:33 am
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Panetta just recently stated

Panetta just recently stated AQ is now operating in Syria and continues to be an issue in Pakistan. AQI was brought down in the most part through a partnership with Sunni Iraqis as part of the 2007-9 surge in Iraq which opened the door to our drawdown. In AF, the surge was less effective and Taliban resistance continues. We popped bin Laden in Pakistan, but cells continue to pop up in other muslim countries in turmoil after the Arab spring. Remember too, that AQ isn't the only radical fundemental Islamic terrorist group out there hating the west and looking to attack the USA or other western nations. Stating the obvious using words like radical, terrorist and Islamic isn't going to hurt anyones feelings. Not stating it makes us appear foolish and weak.

TParty
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TParty 05/14/12 - 07:24 am
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War on anything never works.

War on anything never works. Look at the war on obesity- American's are the fattest. War on education- American's are falling in every category. War on drugs- good thing Reagan finished that war!

There are so many legitimate things to go after Obama, but it's pathetic and embarrassing that ACES is crying Obama isn't given a lot of publicity or stirring up fear. "Waa- Obama isn't telling America to be afraid of 'men of Middle-Eastern descent'- waaa!!" Get a grip.

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Retired Army 05/14/12 - 08:15 am
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Good post and great points

Good post and great points Tparty. But you left out the bogus War On Xmas and the real War on Women.

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 11:19 am
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As can be demonstrated by the

As can be demonstrated by the comments so far, the ACES was dead wrong in their central premise here. When they said "Rest assured, Americans take the threat of terrorism seriously," they overgeneralized and failed to distinguish between rational, thinking "Americans" and those who are on the ultra left.

One poster says "War on anything never works." He/she says this in the face of centuries of proof to the contrary. Ask the nazis. Another poster reads that post and concludes "Good post and great points...," obviously in complete agreement that war never works.

It is obviously and demonstrably NOT true that anyone can "Rest assured, Americans take the threat of terrorism seriously." We have two examples right here in this thread disproving that claim. There are many others who deny the existence of our enemies and/or the necessity to fight them for our survival and our freedom.

Like it or not, there remain some number of American citizens (perhaps fifteen percent) who believe the main problem in the world is the United States of America. That we are the aggressors. It's us who have plundered the rest of the world and are mainly responsible for wars and instability wherever they exist. They believe Christian fundamentalists are just as evil as islamic jihadists and that the only way to a more peaceful world is through global governance, banning Christianity, socialist/communist wealth sharing, and all of us sitting around a campfire singing kumbaya.

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TParty 05/14/12 - 11:21 am
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"He/she says this in the face

"He/she says this in the face of centuries of proof to the contrary. Ask the nazis."

Was there a war on NAZI's? What's the bet there are still NAZI's around? That the idea and philosophy is shared and still out there?

Besides, Harley- the point was- the war on an idea never works. The war on a tactic never works. This war on terror is not one army versus another, it's our country versus an idea. And if you think this war can only end if the idea no one hates America- then yeah- this war won't work. I used obesity, drugs, education as examples. I can do hungry, poor, and as another poster said, the War of Christmas.

Living my life in fear is not how I'm going to do things, and I feel sorry for those who do. You can remain vigilante, and not be in fear.

Side note: When Christian fundamentalists gain power in this country and try to shove their way of life down my throat- I do consider that a threat to my freedom and way of life- but this editorial is not about that.

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 12:24 pm
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Naziism was/still is an

Naziism was/still is an "idea." Look it up.

We defeated the Nazis (those practicing violent Nazzism) thru WAR. As an idea, it is somewhat analogous to radical islam. Rational, thoughtful people are not at war with Islam per se, but with those who use Islam as an excuse and a motivator to commit mass murder of those who disagree with their "idea."

We can defeat the radical muslims just as we defeated the Nazis. We can't defeat the "idea" of islam, but we can defeat those who use it as a motivator to saw heads off and otherwise murder anyone who disagrees with their "idea."

So, are you for (or against) a war on radical muslims?

TParty
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TParty 05/14/12 - 12:33 pm
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If you don't know the

If you don't know the difference between fighting an army, which gets it's orders and mission statements from a head of state, and fighting people who are just angry at Americans- then this discussion is over.

And I'm okay with surgical strikes against terrorists. I am not for our country invading another country because there are some bad guys in there. And I'm not for living in fear, and worrying about what the President is calling these people. Obama- although I don't like him- under his administration- a lot of bad guys have died, to include Osama.

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 12:56 pm
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I rest my case.

I rest my case.

We did invade Germany, you know.

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desertcat6 05/14/12 - 01:39 pm
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Killing a lot of bad guys

Killing a lot of bad guys does little to stop the ideas and doctrine that have been drilled into, and breeds radicals. It often, if not always, spawns more when the population of possible recruits is large. And, yes, there is a documented link between the Nazi Party and the Muslim Brotherhood and associated radical muslim groups.

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 02:20 pm
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The latest update to the U.S.

The latest update to the U.S. State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations was published January 27, 2012. The list contains fifty (50) foreign terrorist organizations.

One of the fifty organizations is al-Qa’ida (AQ). (For those who care, that's the one osama bin laden used to lead). There are three others who use al-Qa'ida in their name. One of them used to be called "GSPC" (whatever that is).

The overwhelming majority of these organizations are Islam inspired. Their common enemies are non-believers, infidels, or western societies (aka most of you reading this post).

Every day innocent non-muslims and even less radical muslims are slaughtered by these groups without much notice. They are driven by their faith and by the belief that violence against non-muslims will hasten the world-wide domination by muslims. Less violent muslims intend to achieve the same goal through immigration and procreation.

Those who believe osama bin laden's demise at the hands of our superb Special Operations Forces means the end of terrorist attacks against us are either ignorant, or foolish, or both.

We are in this war until the bitter end whether we admit it or deny it. The only unresolved question is who will win. Them, or us?

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 01:47 pm
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"Killing a lot of bad guys"

"Killing a lot of bad guys" is the only way we will win this war. That statement is clear to some, but many still hold out for some "kinder gentler" solution. None exists.

Never before have we faced an enemy like radical islamists. The sooner we decide to fight this war to win it, the better our chances of survival.

harley_52
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harley_52 05/14/12 - 02:04 pm
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Can someone/anyone please

Can someone/anyone please name the last war we won without "killing a lot of bad guys?"

Considering wars have been fought for many thousands of years, what makes us believe we've found a solution to war that has escaped all the societies, nationalities, and generations before us?

desertcat6
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desertcat6 05/14/12 - 02:38 pm
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Nothing wrong with killing

Nothing wrong with killing them, but that can't be the only thing unless we choose to either continue this indefinitely or start eliminating the breeding grounds. If we can't engage them and attempt to change the culture that breeds the terrorists over time, what is your suggestion? Bomb them all back to the stone age, purge the world of muslims, or send them to Anartitca?

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 03:04 pm
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I haven't seen any evidence

I haven't seen any evidence that our attempts to coddle and appease muslims who ascribe to the notion that Jews and Christians are swine, monkeys, and other sub-human beings can be convinced otherwise. Have you?

I haven't seen any evidence that rules of engagement so restrictive as to tie our hands and make our troops more vulnerable to injury or death have convinced a single muslim to recant his beliefs, have you?

Sorry, but I have seen zero evidence we can "change their culture." It sounds good, and it may help someone make a few stars, but I don't think it will work. Never has before.

These people are indoctrinated to islam in every facet of their lives. At home, in school, in the mosque, in their dealings with other muslims, in their books, on and on, and on. It's not just a religion, it's a lifestyle. It's an ethical code. It's a morality. We are NOT going to change it. We can live with muslims, but we can't live with muslims who are slaughtering innocent civilians and sawing off the heads of anyone who disagrees with their point of view.

We're going to have to kill those who want to kill us and convince the rest that they can believe whatever they choose, but when they act out their hatred, they will be paying the ultimate price. They can understand that, but they can't understand weakness and coddling. They have no respect for weakness.

Have you an example where weakness, coddling, and appeasement have won a war?

TParty
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TParty 05/14/12 - 03:19 pm
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Sounds like you just want to

Sounds like you just want to kill every Muslim who looks funny at you Harley, because that's the only respect they understand.

Do you know how many people out there are thinking the same thing about you and I? How American's need to change their ways, and that violence is the only way to stop the influence, and death from America. All the bombs dropped, civilians killed? That American's are indoctrinated from children, told about their Jesus and their holy god, and other god that is actually Jesus and the holy spirit, but broken up in three ways because....

Anyways- if you went to some radical Muslim training place, and a speech was translated for you- it's sound a lot like this:

"We're going to have to kill those who want to kill us and convince the rest that they can believe whatever they choose, but when they act out their hatred, they will be paying the ultimate price. They can understand that, but they can't understand weakness and coddling. They have no respect for weakness."

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 03:33 pm
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I don't care if they "look

I don't care if they "look funny" at me. I don't even care if they hate me, for whatever reason. I get real concerned when they declare war on me and start targeting and killing thousands of innocent civilians and dressing up as local police in order to kill those who are trying to help them.

I'm not at all surprised to see you suggest a moral equivalency between radical islam and Christianity. In fact, I would have bet you'd make it.

I'm not sure how you know what might be taught at a "radical Muslim training place," or whether they'd be using the same thoughts and expressions as I used. I kinda doubt they would because if they did they wouldn't be slaughtering innocent civilians like they did on 9/11/01.

Since you claim to know, you must have first hand knowledge, or friends with direct knowledge. Otherwise, you're simply inventing it to try to bolster your otherwise uninformed, agenda-driven position.

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copperhead 05/14/12 - 03:50 pm
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hussein has made deals and

hussein has made deals and promised many things to radical islamists for them to hold off threats and attacks until AFTER the election.

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allhans 05/14/12 - 04:01 pm
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Thumbs up Harley. AND Copper - Todays

Thumbs up Harley.

Todays wars (such as the killing of Bin Laden), and wars of the future will be based on intelligence. (We don't gain intelligence when using drone attacks). What was once spy novels are now our reality.

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desertcat6 05/14/12 - 04:07 pm
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Lets see. The hard work my

Lets see. The hard work my unit did in partnership with the Sunni Sons of Iraq and Iraqi Police in Ramadi to kill and drive AQI out of the city of surrounding areas in 2007 and early 2008 didn't include any attacks on our forces by turn coats in the Iraqi ranks. The Sunnis were grateful and took on much of the responsibility for themselves over time. We trained them, helped them with materials and supplies, and worked with them. And, yes, we helped them reestablish the local government and infrastructure. We didn't change the "culture", but we had a positive lasting impact. I would be surprised if Ramadi ever let itself fall under radical Islamic domination again. By the way, engagement doesn't have to equate to coddling and appeasement.

allhans
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allhans 05/14/12 - 04:09 pm
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desertcat..."engagement

desertcat..."engagement doesn't have to equate to coddling and appeasement."
Right!

copperhead
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copperhead 05/14/12 - 04:09 pm
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TParty,have you attended a

TParty,have you attended a terrorist training camp? You speak as though you know exactly what goes on at one!

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Retired Army 05/14/12 - 04:11 pm
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Radical posters would have us

Radical posters would have us kill a billion Muslims(guilty or not) to solve the terrorist problem. What planet does that make any sense at all.

As far as anyone can tell President Obama's policy of cutting heads
off the snakes seems to be getting results. I like that.

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specsta 05/14/12 - 04:16 pm
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There is a difference between

There is a difference between being vigilant and believing that terrorists are oozing from every corner of our society. Rational thinking must dominate our actions, not fear.

President Obama has methodically removed terrorist leadership by using a sane approach, much unlike his predecessor, Bush, who hoodwinked the public into believing that it was necessary to give up fundamental liberties (via the PATRIOT Act) in order to be safe.

However, the mentality that a police state is necessary in order to protect American citizens continues to creep in through legislation (NDDA Act) and through overly-aggressive policing such as the suppression taking place with the Occupy Movement.

Vigilance has to be balanced with common sense. How many national stories have we heard about where some abandoned bag or box caused the bomb squad to be called in and detonate somebody's luggage filled with underwear?

Let's stop worrying about "the terrorists" (you have a better chance of being struck by lightning or winning the lottery than being killed by a terrorist) and concentrate on real issues. Issues such as poverty, unemployment, lack of health care, crumbling education, etc. - things that actually affect the majority of Americans.

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harley_52 05/14/12 - 04:54 pm
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I'm certain you and your

I'm certain you and your troops worked hard, Desertcat. I wish you were right when you say you'd "be surprised if Ramadi ever let itself fall under radical Islamic domination again." And only time will tell. I'm willing to bet you that 24 months from now Ramadi will be in the hands of radical islamists, be they Sunni or Shiite, most likely the latter.

Personally, I don't think there's even the slightest chance radical islamists have been been driven from Iraq, or from Afghanistan. To the contrary, it looks to me like more and more of the middle-east is falling under the control of the radicals. We're watching it happen right before our eyes and we're wasting the lives of more American soldiers who are fighting a war we won't let them win.

I applaud your efforts, appreciate your service, and wish you were correct in your assessment. Unfortunately, wishing is not a method and I fear we've wasted thousands of lives and around a trillion dollars on wars we didn't have the guts to win. We've done it before, more than once, and we apparently didn't learn from our mistakes.

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Retired Army 05/14/12 - 05:14 pm
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Harley states"I fear we've

Harley states"I fear we've wasted thousands of lives and around a trillion dollars on wars we didn't have the guts to win. We've done it before, more than once, and we apparently didn't learn from our mistakes."

I can name two recent conflicts in which Americans killed millions and still lost or stalemated the war. History is replete with examples such as this. Afghanistan poor as church mice in tech hell is still the Graveyard of empires. We went there with good cause and valid reason and I fear that when we leave not much will have changed. And that tribal culture society keeps doing it despite religious conviction. Ask the ancients, Rome and Greece, what happened to their attempts to conquer before the introduction of Islam.

All we have managed to do is create more resentful enemies by our overwhelming military presence.

TParty
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TParty 05/14/12 - 05:19 pm
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"Since you claim to know, you

"Since you claim to know, you must have first hand knowledge, or friends with direct knowledge."

Yeah I do. I didn't go to Afghanistan three times, hunting bad guys without knowing who the bad guys are, and why we consider them bad guys. I study history, read reports, and acquire the intel.

I don't have blind rage or hate. There are so many Muslims here in Augusta right now- I wonder how many of you are afraid of that fact?

There are a lot of Muslims nations- they are not our enemy. I don't judge an entire religion on the few, otherwise all Christians would be doctor killing, hospital bombing, mass murdering, Christians thanking god for IED's that kill Americans and pummeling homosexuals to death. But that's not the case is it? That would be unfair and really disingenuous of the all the good Christians around the world.

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desertcat6 05/14/12 - 05:56 pm
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Harley, Yes, the middle-east

Harley, Yes, the middle-east is in turmoil - I read the news too - and the door is open to Sunni radicals taking control in many countries. Tyrants are falling, the muslim brotherhood has indoctrinated the masses, and radical groups are ruthless and organized enough to seize power in the vacum.

That said, I'll take that bet and would double it if the Shia take control of Ramadi. Really shows how little you and probably the average citizen know about Iraq, and what really happened over there during the surge - at least in Anbar. The Shia dominated areas are another story.

I was as frustrated as anyone with our tactics and strategy prior to 2007, but the surge worked in Anbar. It worked primarily due to both the Sunni Iraqi's turnng against AQI and the US committing enough forces to go on the offensive. It worked in Ramadi by securing the city block by block, killing AQI cells, arresting supporters, removing pro-AQI officials and clergy, etc, etc...

All done with the help and support of the Iraqi citizens and police. A population that was tortured, terrorized and murdered by AQI operatives for about three years. Nope, Ramadi will not willing go back under that oppressive yoke.

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Jake 05/14/12 - 07:21 pm
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Thank you

@desertcat6 - Thank you for your service. My son was in Iraq twice. I never did (and still don't) agree with the reasons for going into Iraq. However, when called upon to serve, you must go where they send you, it is your duty and obligation. Glad you made it back and hope there are no lingering negative effects of you being there.

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