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Does media not see the ripe environment for voter fraud?

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The Five Ws – who, what, where, when and why – are gems of pristine logic that can be traced back to
ancient Greece. They became the very foundation of the journalistic enterprise in America.

Well, that foundation is failing, as more and more “reporters” and news anchors have become advocates rather than observers, and the Five Ws have often gone unasked and unanswered.

Ask yourself, for instance, why. Why would Democrats so vehemently oppose attempts to control our borders? And why would Republicans so long be complicit in the neglect?

Further, why would Democrats be so adamantly opposed to bringing the integrity of voter identification to our elections?

And are the two odd positions connected?

Could it be that Democrats want to flood the polls with Democratic voters without regard to either their legality or their identity? Might it be a cynical quest to form a permanent Democratic ruling majority?

If something defies logic, must there not be another, less rational, explanation for it? Why aren’t the media asking these questions?

Unless most of them are for it.

Democrats such as Attorney General Eric Holder insist the voting system’s integrity is not at risk. But that, too, is irrational and provably false. An investigative team – rare these days – recently was able to obtain Holder’s own ballot during a primary election. The young man involved, who looks nothing like Holder, could have easily cast the attorney general’s ballot, because the poll worker not only did not require identification, but he was quite eager in not doing so.

The “mainstream” media are willfully oblivious to it all, or actively in denial. U.S. News and World Report recently published an article entitled “The Myth of Voter Fraud” – while, almost simultaneously, the Richmond (Va.) Times-Dispatch reported on “a more significant voter fraud issue than some state lawmakers realized.

“As Virginia legislators hotly debated a voter ID bill that narrowly passed the General Assembly, many were unaware of a state police investigation that, so far, has resulted in charges against 38 people statewide for voter fraud.”

The allegations involved more than 400 cases in 62 cities and counties. As as we know from all other classes of crime, the number of those caught and convicted are but of a fraction of those engaged.

The known election crimes in Virginia “ran the gamut from voter registration fraud issues through potential fraud at the polling place on Election Day,” secretary of the Virginia Board of Elections Donald Palmer was quoted.

Remember ACORN – the scandalized left-wing group that was caught pushing public benefits to a supposed pimp and hooker, and which was found to have perpetrated voter fraud in 2008? According to one report, “at least 54 ACORN employees and individuals associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud.”

Of course, one needn’t cite actual incidents of voter fraud to know that a loosey-goosey electoral system invites it, especially in particularly partisan times such as those we live in.

It’s interesting, too, that the fraud appears to be a uniquely Democratic tactic. Reuters reports, without any sense of irony – or asking “why” – that anti-fraud laws could be “a potential problem for President Barack Obama’s re-election bid.”

Ask yourself how cracking down on fraud could present a problem for a president, a party or anyone else with pure aims.

The “journalists” don’t seem capable of asking.

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Retired Army
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Retired Army 04/24/12 - 11:55 pm
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Seems like a very short step

Seems like a very short step down the slippery slope of a National ID card and the political correctness of "Papers Please". Ask those who survived the rule of guys like Adolph Hitler, Joeseph Stalin or Mao Tsetung how that worked out for them.

Hell, let's just go all the way and put a doggy style computer chip up your nose and get it over with.

The real reason the Republican Party is catching on to this voter ID thing is that they used to have votes under control, before blacks and women could vote, that is. This wasn't an issue at all until scared old white men began to see their majority slip away. You mandate a National ID or facilitate a road to it and someday this will come back to bite you right where it feels worse.

Why it is just a short step from this to making voting mandatory. Careful what you wish for.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 04/25/12 - 02:03 am
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Retired Army, you bring up

Retired Army, you bring up concerns that having to produce an ID to vote is close to national ID's that could result in the state monitoring and controlling the population. That's a big leap of logic. Kind of like saying if you stand on a mountain you are only a step away from death. Well, yeah, but it takes a lot for someone to take that step. Showing an ID to vote is hardly supporting Hitler-Mao-Stalinist policies or jumping off a mountain.

specsta
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specsta 04/25/12 - 02:46 am
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This editorial is fraught

This editorial is fraught with so many inaccuracies, it is not really worth commenting on.

specsta
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specsta 04/25/12 - 02:52 am
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Riverman, the more the

Riverman, the more the government requires you to identify yourself, the easier it becomes to instill a national ID system into place. Schoolkids are already used to carrying ID badges and submitting to searches of their personal property. This generation is growing up in a society where they expect to be have IDs ready and their property searched without any warrant presented.

At some point, there will be no one left who will remember what it was like to freely move about in privacy and freedom. So yes, requirements such as voter ID is very close to Nazi Germany and "your papers, please".

Riverman1
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Riverman1 04/25/12 - 03:12 am
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Kind of a switch here with

Kind of a switch here with liberals warning about national ID cards and conservatives going the other way.

Techfan
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Techfan 04/25/12 - 04:22 am
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"According to one report, “at

"According to one report, “at least 54 ACORN employees and individuals associated with ACORN have been convicted of voter fraud.”" What report would that be and who wrote it? The AC could have used a "W" or two here. It's from a book by Mathew Vadum, published by WorldNetDaily Books. Vadum is such a great American that he believes, “registering the poor to vote is un-American” and, of course, WorldNetDaily's ("Where's the Birth Certificate") credentials are beyond reproach. You know Vadum wrote a great book when, I can't stop laughing at this one, you Google for a review and the first one (positive, of course) is by Dirk Vander Ploeg who "is the publisher of UFODigest.com and other paranormal and UFO related websites. He is the author of the non-fiction book "Quest for MIddle-earth". Another great job AC.

avidreader
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avidreader 04/25/12 - 06:10 am
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Here we go; let me kick the

Here we go; let me kick the dead dog once again. I had to provide an ID this week to cash a check at the bank. I also had to allow the Enterprise rental lady to photo-copy my driver's license so I could rent one of her cars. ID's are a way-of-life among legal citizens in this country. If one cannot provide proof of identity, then one does not deserve the luxury of voting.

The ninety-year old widow or foster-care child without a birth certificate are a rarity. The masses invading our borders illegally are not a rarity.

Obtain an ID, or stay home on voting day.

Techfan
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Techfan 04/25/12 - 06:11 am
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Or vote absentee.

Or vote absentee.

ultrarnr
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ultrarnr 04/25/12 - 06:29 am
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Avidreader, The last thing
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Avidreader,
The last thing illegal immigrants are going to do is try to vote and bring attention to themselves. The Brennan Center at NYU estimates there are 21 million citizens without an ID. Do we really want to disenfranchise them?

InChristLove
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InChristLove 04/25/12 - 06:37 am
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Techfan, you are partially

Techfan, you are partially accurrate about ACORN employees not being convicted of voter fraud BUT....

"In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN’s Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms."

It would seem to me that if they created and (was convicted of) submitted fraudulent registration forms the intent to committed voter fraud is apparent.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 04/25/12 - 06:40 am
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Voter ID? Absolutely. That

Voter ID? Absolutely. That and a recent utility bill in your name, or a certified/notarized letter validating your residence just like our public schools require. I'm pretty sure this is a state issue and nationalization for voting purposes would be unconstitutional. So much for the red herring.

Techfan
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Techfan 04/25/12 - 06:51 am
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Those who collect voter

Those who collect voter registration form are required to turn them in. It doesn't matter if some clown writes fictional names on the forms. The ACORN workers who were charged were charged for trying to get paid for fraudulently providing names, not voter fraud.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/acorn-accusations/

Techfan
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Techfan 04/25/12 - 06:58 am
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Again, you can always vote

Again, you can always vote absentee and not need to show any ID.

carcraft
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carcraft 04/25/12 - 07:00 am
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Techfan-The point weas they

Techfan-The point weas they were not collecting registration forms they were paying people per name on form and the people were falsly putting in names. Now when yo put down Mickey Mouse , Doanld duck and football teams the person accually filing the registration forms has a responsiblity to insure they are somewhat acurrate. When every name is liste alphbetically it is a problem, like coped from a phone book!

Bruno
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Bruno 04/25/12 - 07:49 am
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Retired Army Godwin's the

Retired Army Godwin's the discussion in the first post.

Avidreader makes a solid point.

Techfan:
You may vote by absentee ballot in person if:

You will be absent from your precinct from 7:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m. on election day.
You are 75 years of age or older.
You have a physical disability which prevents you from voting in person or you are a constant caregiver of a person with a disability.
You are an election official.
You are observing a religious holiday which prevents you from voting in person.
You are required to remain on duty in your precinct for the protection of life, health, or safety of the public.
An elector may cast an absentee ballot in person at the registrar's office during the period of Monday through Friday of the week immediately preceding the date of the election without having to provide a reason.

If you do not fall under any of these parameters yet cast an absentee ballot then you are committing a fraud.

From 8/10/2011:
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was fined the maximum of $5,000 in Las Vegas today for its role in a massive voter fraud conspiracy.
Judge Donald Mosley said if an individual, as opposed to a corporation, had been before him, he would have handed down a 10-year prison sentence. "And I wouldn't have thought twice about it," he said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 04/25/12 - 07:50 am
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Once more, MR and ACES peddle

Once more, MR and ACES peddle only part of the story. Turns out the "fraud" story was a Fox News "special" that picked up the Richmond Times-Dispatch report on alleged voter fraud. A bit of research, which ACES surely could have done had they had any real interest in honesty, reveals the examples of fraud the Richmond paper reported on consisted entirely of ex-cons voting when they were not legally allowed to. THEY DID NOT MISREPRESENT THEIR IDENTITIES; no, Virginia's system failed to identify them and thus prevent them voting. The point is that Virginia's proposed voter ID law WOULD NOT HAVE CAUGHT THEM! This case had NOTHING to do with the sort of voter fraud by misrepresentation ACES' piece insinuates but cannot substantiate.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 04/25/12 - 08:17 am
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"The real reason the

"The real reason the Republican Party is catching on to this voter ID thing is that they used to have votes under control, before blacks and women could vote, that is." Have these folk not had the right to vote for about 100 yrs? Paranoia runs deep fo sho.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 04/25/12 - 08:49 am
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Young Fred, you might want to

Young Fred, you might want to reread my comment.

howcanweknow
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howcanweknow 04/25/12 - 08:59 am
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Uh, bringing "integrity" to

Uh, bringing "integrity" to something is seldom a thing a politician is concerned about - especially the Dems. in an election year.

TParty
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TParty 04/25/12 - 09:09 am
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I love how the article starts

I love how the article starts with "The Five Ws – who, what, where, when and why – are gems of pristine logic" and then quickly moves on to using "Could it be" "Might it be" "must there not be" to reach their own narrative.

Charlie White, Indiana’s Republican secretary of state actually committed voter fraud. Newt Gingrich didn't make it onto a ballot in a state because he submitted fake names. In Wisconsin a Republican legislative aide who worked for the co-sponsor of the state’s voter ID bill was charged with voter fraud. And there is something else weird.

While living in California, Mitt Romney claimed that his legal residency was in his son’s basement in Massachusetts in order to cast a ballot for Scott Brown in the state’s 2010 special election. Sounds like fraud to me, and it should you if voter fraud means intentional corruption of the electoral process by the voter.

All republicans.

Voter fraud is extremely rare. Studies show that fraud occurs an average of 0.00004%-0.0009% of the time (study link at the bottom). This is just another fabricated attempt by the right to scare people of Obama, because their own candidate Mittens is a fraud himself, and when Obama wins again they'll need a scapegoat. They'll blame voter fraud instead of admitting their ideals and tactics were wrong.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_...

carcraft
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carcraft 04/25/12 - 09:14 am
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I really think ACORN was

I really think ACORN was using Cloward Piven stragey to try to overwhelm the local electiohns office. Each name submitted has to be varified and then certified as eligible to vote. Election offices ussual have a very small staff and are under budgeted so flooding election offices with bogus names created a real problem in many counties!

skeptic griggsy
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skeptic griggsy 04/25/12 - 09:50 am
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Folks, for twenty dollars at
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Folks, for twenty dollars at the drivers license place, people can get their ID's. That is all the problem! So, give the ones without the ID who cannot afford one twenty dollars and take them to get theirs.
It seems to me both sides are wallowing in hyperbole. To be sure, I'm liberal and want all to vote, so I side with those who might be denied their right because of this little matter in the end.
By how much will our great Obama win?

faithson
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faithson 04/25/12 - 09:52 am
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Talk about the tail wagging

Talk about the tail wagging the dog... this whole issue was created by the 24/7 cable news industry, anything that gets that paranoid listener to tune in is fair play, think about it, so many issues these days are used by self deluded narcissistic people to keep their face on the boob tube. As a matter of reference; how come the republicans will have NOTHING to do with extending the time polls are open for voting in the general election ? Why are we relegated to a 12 hour period, on one day to vote ? How come we cannot have 2 or 3 days to vote ? OH yea, more people WOULD vote, and we all know that the more people that vote, the less likely the elected will be republican. (which is the basis for the voter ID law to begin with)

Retired Army
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Retired Army 04/25/12 - 10:23 am
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faithson
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faithson 04/25/12 - 10:27 am
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even 2 days Fred and let the

even 2 days Fred and let the chips fall where they may. As far as 'leaning right', heck I lean right, but you think I'm voting for social conservatives who want to turn back the clock, nahhh, not on your life. The republicans had their chance with Huntsman, a candidate who could have been a unifier, not a divider as so many are in the republican party right now. The weather vane it looks like the republicans have chosen is just that, which way is the wind blowing TODAY ! Not my cup of tea.

faithson
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faithson 04/25/12 - 10:28 am
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What happened to Fred ?

What happened to Fred ?

allhans
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allhans 04/25/12 - 10:57 am
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Absentee ballots are only

Absentee ballots are only counted as votes if the election is close enough make a difference. i.e. An election office has 2,000 absentee votes but the difference in every race is more than 2,000. The absentee ballots are not important to decide the outcome of a race. IF - the count is needed to decide a race, then the ballots are checked for legality and counted...

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raul 04/25/12 - 10:57 am
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@Retired Army. I am somewhat

@Retired Army. I am somewhat surprised at your position. After all, I would think in your army career and subsequent retirement you must have produced that military i.d. thousands of times. You don't seem to have a problem with that.

allhans
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allhans 04/25/12 - 10:59 am
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Fred?.

Fred?.

Valeria Hughes
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Valeria Hughes 04/25/12 - 12:35 pm
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What happened to my

What happened to my username...Help

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