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There's more to the Fluke birth-control dust-up than most media are telling

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There are more important issues for the country to move on to. But just a few more words to bring perspective to the Rush Limbaugh-birth control rowdy-dow, because some folks would love for the presidential election to turn on this silliness.

First, while Limbaugh was way out of bounds to call Georgetown University student Sandra Fluke what he did, she’s not exactly innocent road kill. In fact, it appears she’s pretty much a professional left-wing activist who, writes The Washington Post, “researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included” and proceeded to lobby for it for three years. In short, she appears to have enrolled for the singular purpose of trying to force birth control on the Catholic school.

Moreover, even liberal Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers, bless her fair-minded self, notes that left-wing extremists such as Bill Maher,
Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann have essentially waged a misogynistic war on women – but that, “Boycotts are reserved for people on the right.”

Maher alone has called conservative women the most vulgar names possible for a woman’s private parts. But no outrage. Instead, he’s a big donor to President Obama’s super PAC, which has gladly accepted the cash.

Just a little perspective.

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impossible
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impossible 03/07/12 - 04:53 pm
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Amazing.
Unpublished

Amazing.

impossible
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impossible 03/07/12 - 05:01 pm
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What specifically is
Unpublished

What specifically is objectionable in my comment? Being opinionated in return for the opinionated? Help me out here.

Bruno
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Bruno 03/07/12 - 05:18 pm
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burninator, there is no

burninator, there is no difference between calling a specific political figure a name and calling a specifi person who is speaking in front of a political body about a political issue a name. The attempt to differentiate the two is nothing more than a weak attempt to justify the outrage against one over the other.

Conservative Man
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Conservative Man 03/07/12 - 05:24 pm
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If she wants me to pay for

If she wants me to pay for her birth control, she should pay for my Viagra.

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faithson 03/07/12 - 05:35 pm
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'I would have preferred to

'I would have preferred to hear a reasoned response', and where pray tell would one have even found that Bruno. ? One of the only places I have found reasoned discussions is Charlie Rose, maybe you could enlighten me/us on others.

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carcraft 03/07/12 - 05:50 pm
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Nobody seems interested on

Nobody seems interested on commenting on Joe the Plumber whose private government files were published in newspapers. Joe's background was dragged out in public for ridicule and he was smeared for ONLY ASKING OBAMA A QUESTION when Obama was in Joe's neighborhood. Please explain to me how Fluke has been treated worse than Joe and why was there very little outrage over Joe's treatment in the Lame stream media?

Bruno
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Bruno 03/07/12 - 05:50 pm
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Faithson, you should be able

Faithson, you should be able to listen to her testimony and make a reasoned argument against it on your own. You shouldn't make up your mind based on her statement alone. You should also not make up your mind based on Limbaugh, Maher and the like say about the issue. Inform yourself on the issues using multiple, credible (!) sources and them formulate your positions.

Bruno
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Bruno 03/07/12 - 06:21 pm
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How I would have handle it.

How I would have handle it. Her testimony in quotation marks.

"I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan."

You knew of the parameters of that school when you chose to attend. It has also now come to light that you specifically chose that school because it did not birth control in its health plan. As I am sure you are aware, Georgetown is a private, Jesuit (Catholic) non-state institution.

"Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens."

As a third year law student I am sure that you are aware of the concept of separation of church and state. You should also be aware that the government does not usually force a entity to provide a service or product that they have moral objections to for another private entity. This is especially true in the case of religious institutions.

"On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage."

Are you aware that there are other free or low cost alternatives to acquiring your birth control? Are you aware of Planned Parenthood? The local free clinic? The vending machine in the local truck stop? All of those provide birth control at little to no cost.

"Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school."

Quick math will show that the female condom at Walgreen's costs approximately $1.60 each. Given that the law program at Georgetown is three years long that works out to $1752.00 if you use one per day for your entire time at Georgetown.

"One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception. Just last week, a married female student told me she had to stop using contraception because she couldn’t afford it any longer."

As I have just shown, the idea of giving up contraception due to cost is fallacious and is without merit.

"How can Congress consider the Fortenberry, Rubio, and Blunt legislation that would allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraceptive coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to defund those very same clinics?"

If we accept your above argument, isn't the reverse also applicable? How can we continue to fund those clinics while you are attempting to force a private, religious institution to provide the goods and services that they morally oppose?

The women you cite who need specific birth control pills for health issues unrelated to birth control can get those under their insurance. The physician need only provide the documentation that they are needed for a specific reason other than birth control. Really, Ms. Fluke, as a third year law student at Georgetown, I thought you would be better prepared than this. Thank you for your time.

Bruno
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Bruno 03/07/12 - 07:45 pm
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I would agree with you

I would agree with you faithson if it weren't for the fact that Fluke knew that Georgetown was a Catholic/Jesuit institution when she chose to attend and that the decree from Obama was directly impacting the "wall of separation". Simply put you can't be for the "wall of separation" while at the same time for the government telling a religion or religious institution what they must provide and remain intellectually honest.

As to Fluke, she appears to be a completely biased and less than credible source of information on this issue.

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bjphysics 03/07/12 - 07:58 pm
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Yes, stay on this topic;

Yes, stay on this topic; don’t let those nasty Liberals shame you into silence. Continue disputing this matter right up to the first Tuesday in November.

Bruno
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Bruno 03/07/12 - 09:41 pm
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So bj, you are against the

So bj, you are against the separation of church and state. Nice to know that.

carcraft
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carcraft 03/07/12 - 09:51 pm
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I am still waiting for

I am still waiting for Dictator Obama to order my home owners insurance company to buy me a semi auto 50 cal sniper rifle so I can indulge my 2nd amendment rights as out lined in the Constitution. I also want dicator Obama to order my car insuraance company to buy me a glock. These weapons are so I can prevent theft and lower insurance rates while fulfilling my 2nd amendment rights....

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Willow Bailey 03/07/12 - 10:16 pm
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Conservative Man, said "If

Conservative Man, said "If she wants me to pay for her birth control...she should pay for my viagra." I say, if she wants you to pay for her birth control; she should marry you....

carcraft
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carcraft 03/07/12 - 11:23 pm
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Lost in this discussion is

Lost in this discussion is thae fact that many Catholic agencies are SELF INSURED. Meaning that the Agency and the worker both contribute to a fund to cover health care costs. The fund is administered by the Catholic agency. Obama's order is forcing the Catholic agencies to violate their beliefs and conscience and thier religious principals. This is clearly a seperation of church and state. Where does Obama get the power to order a company to give a customer something free of charge? If Obama does have that power I want my semi auto 50 cal sniper rifle paid for by my home owners insurance company so ordered by Obama all hail our new dictator!!!

carcraft
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carcraft 03/07/12 - 11:22 pm
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Well it appears in all

Well it appears in all seriousnes that Obama's answer to our high gas prices is pond scum and a battery that doesn't exist yet..All hail our new dictator and my what nice clothes you have on!

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