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Democrats win public relations war, as GOP shoots itself in foot

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There’s a certain rich irony in the fact that ProFlowers pulled its advertising from Rush Limbaugh’s show after he called a birth control proponent a “slut” and “prostitute.”

Sending flowers was the least he needed to do.

But neither his patently offensive remarks, nor their potential impact on the election, are laughing matters.

Limbaugh has since apologized – unlike his even-worse liberal counterparts – for his gratuitous insult of Georgetown University student Sandra Fluke, who testified before congressional Democrats last week in favor of federally mandated birth control insurance. But the apology wasn’t accepted, and Democrats now have another tool with which to divide the electorate and defeat Republicans in the fall.

Democrats are winning this war of words – over birth control, over Limbaugh’s intemperance – in two ways.

First, they’re making Republicans look like the Taliban. Somehow, Democrats and the left-leaning media have made this issue about women’s health and access to birth control. The truth, of course, is there is no problem with access to birth control. The only question is who should pay for it – well, that, and whether health insurance providers should be forced by the government to offer it over their own moral objections.

Conservatives feel that neither taxpayers nor private insurance customers should be made to pay for someone else’s birth control – which is often little more than a ticket to
promiscuity. To conservatives, that is being forced to fund someone else’s irresponsibility.

Yet, Democrats and their compliant media have turned the birth control pill into not just a right that others must
provide, but something of a
sacrament.

Democrats also win in this silly debate by changing the subject from the economy, the president’s dismal record, foreign policy storm clouds on the horizon, the national debt and more.

Republicans have helped them do it, too – from presidential Rick Santorum’s getting sucked into the discussion repeatedly, to Limbaugh’s disgusting rant. The latter’s flame-throwing has most people missing the point.

Which, as has been pointed out, is just peachy with Democrats.

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Swampman
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Swampman 03/06/12 - 12:11 am
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Okay, I give up. To whom & to

Okay, I give up. To whom & to what does the editorial aside about "unlike his even-worse liberal counterparts" refer? You can't just drop a snarky little bomb like that without at least some kind of clarifying reference! It just sounds like sour grapes. C'mon, y'all, you're editors, stop editorializing long enough to edit.

And, by the way, when you say things like "...birth control - which is often little more than a ticket to promiscuity"...well, you don't really need your loyal opposition to make you sound like the Taliban, you're doing a pretty good job of that all by yourselves.

Can't argue with your conclusion, though. Pretty spot on, that.

Haki
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Haki 03/06/12 - 12:25 am
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Peachy! Some are suggesting a

Peachy! Some are suggesting a regroup for 2016. I'm just saying.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/06/12 - 12:38 am
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Hillary in 2016? I'm down

Hillary in 2016? I'm down with that.

This editorial board is such an embarrassment to our fair city. They really do make us out to be goober hicks in the eyes of most Americans.

Now for their little un conclused bomb about apologies, you want to see how a real American man handles his apologies on radio talk?

Check out Ed Schultz's apology to Laura Ingram. Done with forthrightness, class and humility, without any attendant excuses and accepted by Ingram.

Sheesh ACES. Once again an embarrassment.

willie7
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willie7 03/06/12 - 12:55 am
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Retired Army, I often have
Unpublished

Retired Army, I often have guest from other areas of our country. And they ask me why I read the Augusta Chronicle---I tell them for local news.

Retired Army
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Retired Army 03/06/12 - 01:03 am
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Heck Willie, they even manage

Heck Willie, they even manage to slant alot of that. Ask any black politician in town.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 03/06/12 - 05:31 am
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I tend to like the ACEs and

I tend to like the ACEs and their positions despite the few mistakes and unintended oversights.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/06/12 - 06:12 am
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The CSRA is a vastly

The CSRA is a vastly conservative region. The AC is a conservative paper that some liberals love so much they stay here to read. Anybody using government money for birth control pills needs to try other methods of birth control. Lastly, Rush Limbaug is self insured and pays cash for all his health care. Imagine the concept of paying for your own health care?

carcraft
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carcraft 03/06/12 - 06:45 am
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Swampman-What about the guy

Swampman-What about the guy who talked about Palin's 14 year old daughter having sex with A Rod at a baseball game? What about the comediane who suggusted some"brothers" rape Palin? Those just off the top of my head! Funny how all that sorta got brushed over...

carcraft
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carcraft 03/06/12 - 06:47 am
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Lost in this is the fact that

Lost in this is the fact that many Catholic organizations are self insured, and so Mandating (sort of like ordering or dictating, ) that the insurance company pays for thses services still requires the CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION to pay for the product they abhor...

carcraft
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carcraft 03/06/12 - 06:52 am
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Here is a perfect fit with

Here is a perfect fit with the double standard of the liberals on what women are called and allowed to be called by the left- http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/will-obama-super-pac-return-misogyni...

seenitB4
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seenitB4 03/06/12 - 08:08 am
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Ole Rush went too far this

Ole Rush went too far this time....like it or not the DEMs. will use this over-over-over...

Anyway yall are looking at this the wrong way....I say pay for the dang birth control.....or you will be paying to raise the kiddies later......THINK pleeeze.....birth control pills are soo much cheaper.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 03/06/12 - 08:46 am
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Where to begin? 1. The

Where to begin? 1. The Republicans brought this issue up all by themselves. All the Dems are doing is sitting back and watching the Republicans make fools of themselves. 2. I have never, ever heard a liberal Dem say anything that even approached the viciousness of Rush Limbaugh's everyday radio show, much less this incident. The libs have said some bad stuff, but nothing like this. Grow up, ACES. Why can conservatives never admit their own faults--even when they are as obvious as this one? 3. The Republicans are making themselves look like the Taliban. Nobody is helping them. Even George Will noted that this is self-inflicted damage. 4. The ultimate irony: an old man who's been married 4 times and has a record of drug abuse is calling someone else a slut. Do you truly not notice the irony? 5. I have in the past seen the ACES endorse the absurd and uninformed opinions that are everyday stuff for Rush. 6. You're entitled to have whatever opinion you want on the issues. You are not entitled to substitute vicious, reflexive personal attack for reasoned discussion. 7. You can be a conservative and still be civilized. In fact, in the old days, conservatives prided themselves on being civilized. When did you all go so badly wrong? And how in the world can the decent people of America trust the Rush-ites with control of the entire country? They can't even control their own mouths. It is long overdue for responsible conservatives to repudiate and condemn the kind of talk that Rush, Malkin, and others represent. I endorse their right to free speech, but have total contempt for anyone who takes these people seriously.

Bruno
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Bruno 03/06/12 - 08:56 am
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Rhetor, Liberal MSNBC

Rhetor, Liberal MSNBC commentator Ed Schultz called Laura Ingram a slut. That being said, I don't think that it is real news when a person who is paid to make hyperbolic outrageous and many times offensive statements does so.
Personally I would have liked to see a more reasoned approach to her testimony. I found that there were enough holes in her position that there was no need for hyperbole.
Rush's marriages and drug addiction does not negate his opinion. Not all conservatives have "gone so badly wrong" just as not all liberals are socialist, obama-kool-aid drinking hippies.

nofanofobama
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nofanofobama 03/06/12 - 08:58 am
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if my daughter need 3k worth

if my daughter need 3k worth of birth control and went on tv to advertise that very fact i would be embarrassed. and with all her [the coed] free advertising she will probably have to double her use of birth control .the current crowd of winers are getting old..they want everything for nothing...she goes to one of the top most schools in the land and cries she being treated unfairly. all you liberals who complain about RUSH yet turn a deaf ear to your side's insult and callous words are phonies...i think i recall also a skit on SNL that depicted incest in the palin family. yet not a word..and i'm sorry schulz is an ---. and why does pro-flower advertise on stern radio program--the left only is in favor of decency and cencorship to the right and then they define the terms and the selective outrage..and i appreciate at least one conservative editorial page compared to the liberal garbage i read in the atlanta minnespolis and other papers.. again the left wants to silence us they do not believe in free speech unless they define the terms

raul
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raul 03/06/12 - 09:12 am
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/04/rush-limbaugh-s-apology...

Here's a good one. Oh, and the author, Kirston Powers is a democrat.

allhans
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allhans 03/06/12 - 09:28 am
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Even the liberal CNN was

Even the liberal CNN was showing the bias of the left leaning media this morning.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 03/06/12 - 10:50 am
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Yes, imagine the concept of

Yes, imagine the concept of accepting responsibility for your own actions, consequences and finances. Way to conservative for many!
And why not, our liberal president says, "it is one's right to point to others, and demand that they pay their way", afterall, it's their right, their entitlement and what they deserve.

Don't forget, it's super Tuesday! Go Vote!

bjphysics
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bjphysics 03/06/12 - 10:05 am
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SouthernChic
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SouthernChic 03/06/12 - 11:22 am
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The woman is NOT asking any

The woman is NOT asking any of you folks for a dime. She is not asking you to personally pay her bills. This is a call for insurance companies to also cover birth control, thus making it easier for for those who take birth control pills for medical conditions. Fluke pays for health insurance through a Georgetown University Health Insurance Plan for students. Students must pay the premiums and meet the deductibles.

Even if Birth Control is used to prevent pregnancy, do you know how much it costs to insure a child? Paying for safe sex costs insurance companies pennies as opposed to paying for a lifetime of doctors visits and medical care for a child. Strictly from a business standpoint, it makes financial sense to provide birth control for one as opposed to having to pay for medical care for two.

From a social standpoint, if parents can't afford to insure a child or feed it, guess who gets to pay for it? That's right, YOU do. It comes out of your taxes in the form of welfare, foodstamps, and medicaid. You can rally and act all disgruntled about welfare and "socialist" programs, but that doesn't change the fact that at this point in time, you still will foot part of the bill.

Some claim that sex is a leisure activity and insurance companies shouldn't be forced to cover birth control for that reason. What about sports? Are sports not a leisure activity that causes billions of dollars a year for injuries and rehabilitation? Why should insurance companies pay for one leisure activity, but not another? Sex, like sports, is part of the human life. There isn't a single person alive who didn't benefit from two people having sex.

The issue of birth control boils down women's rights because women are, in real life, the ones who must bear the burden of carrying a child. However much some may preach abstinence, a vast majority of American men and women do what is necessary to control pregnancy and prevent burden of raising a child they can't provide for. Being pro-life (yes, I am a pro-life liberal), I would much rather a woman prevent a pregnancy than get an abortion.

The part that makes me the most ill, if a guy wants to buy condoms, he gets a pat on the back and an "attaboy" for getting some action, but if a woman who asks for birth control, some people automatically assume she's a "slut" or a "prostitute"

That is some major backwards thinking for the 21st century. How can you not see that birth control is beneficial to everyone? What possible issue could you have with this?

carcraft
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carcraft 03/06/12 - 10:49 am
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Rhetor-Actually it all began

Rhetor-Actually it all began when Georgia Stepa something or orther from ABC News asked Romney about birth control during a debate. Romney questioned Georgia and ask what the question was about. Then Obama attempted to step on freedom of religion by forcing employers to provide birth control knowing catholics would object. This then became about womens rights. Of course Obama messing wiht the founding freedoms found in the 1st ten amendments is OK!

allhans
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allhans 03/06/12 - 10:50 am
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bj..It is not the wrongs, not

bj..It is not the wrongs, not how many or how often, it is the bias of the news media.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 03/06/12 - 10:54 am
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It is a left wing diversion

It is a left wing diversion tactic and you would think Republicans would be smart enough not to engage in this foolishness. It's not about sex; it's about the economy, stupid.

billcass
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billcass 03/06/12 - 11:02 am
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Rhetor: Speaking of irony,

Rhetor: Speaking of irony, you rail against Limbaugh for his offensive words, while at the same time using offensive words to describe Limbaugh.

impossible
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impossible 03/06/12 - 11:09 am
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Retired et al, what is an
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Retired et al, what is an acceptable term to describe a woman, whether it be Fluke or one of her examples, who chooses to spend $3,000 on birth control during law school? If she is a liberal, what word oir phrase? If she is a conservative what word or phrase?

In case I miss it would one of you Obama acolytes be sure to remind us all when Obama publicly apologizes and demands that his superpak return Bill Maher's One Million $$$$$ because he called Sarah Palin a c - - t and has never apologized for it? He even brags that he doesn't have to because he has no advertisers.

Read Star Parker's column today and learn something worthwhile.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 03/06/12 - 11:24 am
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Impossible: “…what is an

Impossible: “…what is an acceptable term to describe a woman, whether it be Fluke or one of her examples, who chooses to spend $3,000 on birth control during law school? If she is a liberal, what word oir phrase? If she is a conservative what word or phrase?”

Normal

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/06/12 - 11:34 am
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The pills cost $3 thousand.

The pills cost $3 thousand. If the insurance company has to start paying that for every woman it means everyone's insurance HAS to go much higher. Nothing is free. Someone is going to pay for it and that someone is going to be the other people getting the insurance. Couldn't we just have whatever guy she is with buy some Trojans in the machine in the Circle K restroom?

impossible
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impossible 03/06/12 - 11:46 am
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SouthernChic, you really
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SouthernChic, you really nailed it with this inconvenient truth: “Why should insurance companies pay for one leisure activity, but not another?” Some more examples would be: love of fishing, alcohol, recreational drugs, chocolate, newer car, golf balls, etc.

Nice try, but no cigar. No, wait a minute, add cigars and cigarettes to the list. After others add to the list, we can tap Uncle China for more cash. After all, money is no object is it? In Obamaland, morality certainly isn't the object either.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 03/06/12 - 11:47 am
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Riverman1: “…buy some Trojans

Riverman1: “…buy some Trojans in the machine in the Circle K restroom?”

Is that a sneaky product placement and business endorsement?

faithson
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faithson 03/06/12 - 11:48 am
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Listen people, upon the birth

Listen people, upon the birth of our third child, our parish priest suggested that WE use birth control, end of story. This mandate out of Rome to make the issue of contraceptive rights a wedge position among the catholic faithful is wrong headed in its political ramifications. The church only marginalizes itself in the modern world by taking political positions it has no business taking. Off the pulpit, YES, in the larger context of politics, not NO, but h**l NO.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 03/06/12 - 11:53 am
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BJ asked in reply to my post

BJ asked in reply to my post about Trojans, "Is that a sneaky product placement..."

I shouldn't have to tell anyone where they go before you put it on and after.

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