A burning sign of trouble

Regrettable destruction of Qurans spurs disproportional outrage

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If it’s any consolation to Afghans angry over the burning of Qurans at a U.S. base there, they’ve gotten more understanding and sympathy from our president than Catholics over here have.

Barack Obama has bowed to the Saudi king, reached out to Muslims in speeches and, now, apologized profusely for the burning. Our president’s middle name is even Hussein, and he was born to a Muslim father.

Yet, none of that has tamped down the unmitigated fury among the Afghans, who’ve rioted for days and even killed a couple of U.S. troops.

U.S. officials reportedly burned the Qurans from a detention center library because, officials said, the prisoners were using them to pass notes to each other.

Some of the overreaction is no doubt trumped up by Taliban elements looking to either sabotage peace talks or to gain an advantage in them. But regardless of what percentage of the angst is genuine and how much is being staged for effect, it’s yet another sign of trouble – similar to the deadly riots caused by the mere notion of a Florida pastor burning Qurans.

It makes you wonder what kind of coexistence is possible when a culture is that trigger-happy and prone to murderous lashing out. The U.S. troops’ insensitivity in this particular case is regrettable, but hardly worthy of the death penalty.

Sensitivity is a two-way street, don’t you think?

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specsta
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specsta 02/25/12 - 01:37 am
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This has to be the most

This has to be the most ridiculous editorial piece ever written.

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copperhead 02/25/12 - 02:46 am
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specsta,what is ridiculous

specsta,what is ridiculous about it? Please tell us the advantages of stopping U.S. oil production and buying oil from chavez.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/25/12 - 05:55 am
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Well, heck, let's use this

Well, heck, let's use this Muslim father angle and middle name. Let's play that up with the Muslims and see if it helps any. Send Obama over there wearing a fake beard and head wrap. Maybe he can even play up the thing about being born in Kenya.

He can kind of wink at them about where he was born. Then he can play that interview he did on ABC where he said he is Muslim.

Why fight against this thing...use it to our advantage. Anything to keep us from being killed because we did something to offend them.

No wonder Israel has such a hard time living next to these people. They need a semi-Muslim leader like us.

copperhead
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copperhead 02/25/12 - 07:29 am
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One of your best ideas

One of your best ideas Riverman1! Maybe they would KEEP him.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/25/12 - 07:38 am
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Copperhead, maybe some of the

Copperhead, maybe some of the more extreme Muslim states would, but the moderate ones would think he's too radical Muslim for them.

carcraft
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carcraft 02/25/12 - 07:47 am
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I love your posts Riverman,

I love your posts Riverman, great job! I don't think the Afghans would want to share the wealth to the extant Obama does, two strikes!

agustinian
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agustinian 02/25/12 - 08:09 am
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Exhibit A as to why we need

Exhibit A as to why we need to leave Afghanistan. We hear on the news that scores of children are freezing to death in Kabul -- no public outcry. But a mistaken burning of paper and ink, and NOW they are upset.
With values like that -- we need to say "seeya wouldn't wanna be ya!"

seenitB4
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seenitB4 02/25/12 - 08:29 am
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carcraft...you know when you

carcraft...you know when you say things like this...

I love your posts Riverman, great job!

he will post all day......24/7 if he can hold up!

JRC2024
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JRC2024 02/25/12 - 08:47 am
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What a crazy bunch of mixed

What a crazy bunch of mixed up people. Specsta, what is ridiclous about this article. It only points out that the Afgans put living a decent life way down in value and put the burning of a book way up in value. It also points out that the President has put himself below the Saudi King by bowing and that the killing of American soldiers by Afgans who were trained by Americans not as inportant as a book. To end this type of backlash we must leave the book out of libraries and not give the prisoners paper and pens.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/25/12 - 09:09 am
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Birthers – the gift that

Birthers – the gift that keeps on giving; always delivering quality entertainment with their cloud shown batcrazy signal in the sky.

proud2bamerican
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proud2bamerican 02/25/12 - 09:36 am
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After almost four years

After almost four years 'origin of birth' is only the TIP of the iceberg...WHO is speaking up on behalf of the US troops who were murdered???

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/25/12 - 09:41 am
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proud2bamerican
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proud2bamerican 02/25/12 - 09:56 am
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bj...what a waste of

bj...what a waste of time...where does that get us now?? It is what is going on NOW that really makes all of that controversy pale in comparison.

mytwocentsworth
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mytwocentsworth 02/25/12 - 10:27 am
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Just wanted to say thanks to

Just wanted to say thanks to you frequent posters out there. I'm a capitalist and conservative, and I enjoy the back and forth on all sides.

crkgrdn
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crkgrdn 02/25/12 - 10:51 am
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Another piece of information

Another piece of information about this story. The books were burned because they were used as a kind of postal system where the books were checked out, messages were written in them by inmates and the books were returned to the prison library where other inmates would check them out and read the messages.

I understand that writing in the Koran is itself considered to be a desecration of the book.

I want an apology from Karzai for the deaths of our servicemen. Our service men and women have given so much of themselves to help the Afghans. How dare the Afghans behave in this manner! If these people are so ungrateful then let's leave leaving them in their 13th century world. Just disgusting.

Bruno
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Bruno 02/25/12 - 11:31 am
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Ask yourself if you get upset

Ask yourself if you get upset over someone burning the American flag. If you do then you should fully understand the anger over the burning of what another considers a Holy book.
Personally I don't think Obama or the General should have apologized at all. They should have pointed out that the books were previously desecrated by using them as a mode of relaying messages by those that are now feigning outrage. My question is how did this come to light?

proud2bamerican
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proud2bamerican 02/25/12 - 11:39 am
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bruno...that is exactly the

bruno...that is exactly the point of many...if the books were burned with the purpose claimed then even less need of an apology from our president...if the books or flags are burned as an expression then freedom of speech exists - whether we like what is done or not. BUT...to KILL US troops in response to this is absolutely insanity to put it mildly and yet our president does nothing...which is really doing 'something'!!

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harley_52 02/25/12 - 11:55 am
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From the

From the Editorial...."Sensitivity is a two-way street, don’t you think?"

Sensitivity? Sensitivity is FAR too overrated. People who are "sensitive" need to get over it. We have far bigger problems in this Country and in this world than offending somebody's "sensitivity."

It's political correctness run amok. People say things and do things all the time that I don't like, but I've learned to suck it up and move on with my life. The Constitution does not guarantee freedom from having your sensitivities offended. People who spend their time looking for things that might possibly offend somebody's sensitivities should consider the way they're wasting their lives.

As regards this qoran desecration issue and the muslim reaction thereto, all I can say is the conversation about "sensitivity" is grossly misplaced. We should be talking about fanaticism and cold blooded murder. We should be talking about an immediate withdrawal of our troops and our support from a country and a political regime that thinks it's okay to murder American Officers over being "offended."

And it's made doubly worse when our politicians and our Generals scrape and bow to the fanatics and the murderers.

What in the world have we become?

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/25/12 - 11:57 am
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Question that occurred to

Question that occurred to me:

Why burn the books? Why didn’t they just store them? Is there a problem with storage space in all those claustrophobic desert places?

I’m just asking.

specsta
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specsta 02/25/12 - 12:00 pm
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President Obama is not a

President Obama is not a Muslim, but a Christian. Yes, his middle name is Hussein, but just like every other baby born on earth, he did not choose it and there is absolutely nothing wrong with his name.

Does every person named Gacy or Dahmer or Bundy deserve to be ostracized, simply because another person with that name committed horrific crimes? That is stupid. For the Chronicle to bring up the President's middle name and refer to his father's religion makes no sense.

I am glad that we have a President who is willing to make amends when our actions are disrespectful to other countries. We are not an island, living in this world alone, and we have to be the leader by example. Past experience should have dictated to the US military that burning multiple copies of the Qur'an in a garbage pit wouldn't be the best idea.

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harley_52 02/25/12 - 12:08 pm
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bjphysics said "Why burn the

bjphysics said "Why burn the books? Why didn’t they just store them? Is there a problem with storage space in all those claustrophobic desert places? "

I have no idea if this is correct, but I envision a SP/4, a PFC, and a PVT being assigned the glorious duty of cleaning up a couple of prison cells. Mixed amongst the filthy clothing and leftover goat cheese wrappings they come upon a couple of pocket sized qorans that have obviously been used to pass messages between terrorists. They scrape the entire mess into a couple of plastic leaf bags and haul it off to the trash burning site to be destroyed. That they might be "offending" somebody never even enters their minds. They're too busy worrying about lunch, tomorrow's patrol, or their vehicle down at the motor pool that needs attention.

I seriously doubt this issue started by a couple of senior officers trying to figure out what to do with defaced qorans.

proud2bamerican
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proud2bamerican 02/25/12 - 12:11 pm
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specsta...really?? At some

specsta...really?? At some point we all must realize that we are greatly influenced and molded by our childhood and a name such as "Hussein" is given for religious honor and representation unlike your examples of "Gacy or Dahmer or Bundy". The name Hussein is commonly given as a (particularly among Shias - followers of Ali)in honor of Hussein ibn Ali....just something like "Gacy or Dahmer or Bundy"...really??

proud2bamerican
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proud2bamerican 02/25/12 - 12:14 pm
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and "making amends" is

and "making amends" is great...even "Christian" if we want to go there...but what does he do when it comes to standing up for the lives of our troops who have been murdered in conjunction with this topic, much less in defense of any offense on our country???

bjphysics
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bjphysics 02/25/12 - 12:29 pm
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harley_52: “I have no idea if

harley_52: “I have no idea if this is correct, but I envision a SP/4, a PFC, and a PVT being assigned the glorious duty of cleaning up a couple of prison cells. Mixed amongst the filthy clothing and leftover goat cheese wrappings they come upon a couple of pocket sized qorans that have obviously been used to pass messages between terrorists. They scrape the entire mess into a couple of plastic leaf bags and haul it off to the trash burning site to be destroyed.”

That’s an extremely good “grunts-on-the-ground” explanation and highly believable; I’ll stipulate to that.

Thanks for the practical analysis.

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dichotomy 02/25/12 - 12:48 pm
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"Maybe they would KEEP

"Maybe they would KEEP him."

They are Muslims......not Communists. They don't want him either.

specsta
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specsta 02/25/12 - 01:25 pm
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@proud2bamerican - The actual

@proud2bamerican - The actual meaning of the name "Hussein" is "good", "handsome" or "beautiful". It is the right-wing influence that has taken this name and added a negative connotation to it (in reference to Saddam Hussein) and have tried to make a political statement with it. As I said earlier, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this name.

Also, I think that making amends on the behalf of the negligent behavior by the troops that burned the Qur'an , is very much "standing up for their lives", in order to try and quell any further violence.

Bruno
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Bruno 02/25/12 - 02:39 pm
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Specsta, you assume that the

Specsta, you assume that the burning of reportedly previously desecrated koran's was negligent.

faithson
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faithson 02/25/12 - 03:16 pm
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taking Harley's probable

taking Harley's probable explanation into account, there is more here than meets the eye... These people are fed up with 10 years of American military 'in your face' occupation. Ever notice how it is the 'small' things that set off some people who really harbor internal ill will towards you. Any one who thought staying in Afghanistan, going to war with Iraq, or the new idea, bombing Iran is effective, needs to start going to the military funerals.

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AutumnLeaves 02/25/12 - 03:58 pm
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If it were American prisoners

If it were American prisoners smuggling notes back and forth in Bibles in an Afghan prison, and the guards gathered them up and burned them, do you think Americans would riot in the streets and shoot the Afghan guards? I don't think so. Do you think the Afghan leader would apologize to our President for people on his watch burning the books or for the deaths? I don't think so. Maybe I'm just a skeptic but that's my opinion and that's one of the big differences between our rule of law and theirs.

AutumnLeaves
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AutumnLeaves 02/25/12 - 04:08 pm
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Or maybe I should say, our

Or maybe I should say, our moral fiber and theirs.

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