No teachable moment here

"Occupy" movement inspires, but Tea Party doesn't?

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The Tea Party movement changed politics in a
pivotal election year.

It changed the national dialogue, putting the government’s dangerous overspending on the front burner and on top of mind.

It changed control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

It awakened and inspired hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans – people unashamed to show their faces – to become involved in the political process.

And no one had to arrest hordes of them or send in the haz-mat suits to clean up after them.

In contrast, the “Occupy” movement has yet to register on the electoral Richter scale. Its message has been incomprehensible, its methods often illegal and its environmental record a disaster. Even liberal city mayors have gotten fed up with the occupiers. Democrats who once praised the movement have backed off a mile, and for good reason. Most recently, the occupiers have set out to destroy commerce by blocking ports along the west coast.

OK, so which of these two movements do you suppose helped inspire Time magazine to name “The Protester” its Person of the Year? Yep.

It’s worth noting, too, that the Occupy movement has inspired two classes at New York University, one of them a graduate-level seminar.

Hmm. Guess the Tea Party movement isn’t quite the “teachable moment” that the Occupy movement is. But, you know, the Tea Partiers are all up in the Constitution and stuff. Who needs to be taught about that?

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Riverman1 12/16/11 - 05:56 am
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When it is said the Occupiers

When it is said the Occupiers are obstructive and violent, we hear from the liberals, "so what, the Tea Party is too." There is as much difference in the Occupiers and Tea Partiers as there is in Genghis Kahn and Gandhi.

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Riverman1 12/16/11 - 05:57 am
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I'd like to see the Occupiers

I'd like to see the Occupiers go to DC and have House Speaker John Boehner walk right by them carrying an oversized gavel with the cameras rolling.

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Techfan 12/16/11 - 08:17 am
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"the Tea Partiers are all up

"the Tea Partiers are all up in the Constitution and stuff. Who needs to be taught about that?" Probably a lot of folks, but not by the Tea Party if their Consitution Day teaching materials are an example of what they try to teach. Their teaching materials were developed by the ultra right wing fringe group National Center for Constitutional Studies, founded by Cleon Skousen, pseudo-historian, Mormon end time "prophet", John Bircher, and all around nutcase. They attempt to mask right wing religious theology in the mask of Constitutional studies and don't do a very good job of masking. Leave teaching of history and the Constitution to real historians and Constitutional scholars and skip the Tea Party's made up version of history to the Glenn Becks and other right wing religious kooks of the world.

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Carleton Duvall 12/16/11 - 08:23 am
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TECHFAN, thank you for making

TECHFAN, thank you for making my day.

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seenitB4 12/16/11 - 08:29 am
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We will probably have some

We will probably have some sort of revolution to set things right again...some will be very upset....especially if we go back to the 50s way of life & folks had to feed-clothe-house-raise-their own younguns....yep I see that coming soon...
Plus our education needs a swift kick in the pants...too many kids are getting away with too much gruff....oooh how I wish they would put some of the returning soldiers in the schools.....let them handle the misfits...

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CobaltGeorge 12/16/11 - 08:34 am
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I guess what we really need

I guess what we really need to do is make both groups illegal and allow our great King and followers have full rein on the destruction of the United States of America......right?

TParty
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TParty 12/16/11 - 08:41 am
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You have to remember that

You have to remember that Occupy is a protest, not a rally. A protest is suppose to be disruptive, and protests can work. Think about Libya, Tunisia and Egypt- had they only had rallies and went home that same day- would there be any change? The Tea Party has been taken over by the republicans- people who have also run up the deficit, and continue to do so.

The message is not incomprehensible, it's just being diluted by corporations. There is another letter on here today saying "The media – the real party showing hostility – wanted to make you believe the movement is racist, fringe, xenophobic – whatever horrid label they could attach to it." The same tactics are being attributed to the Occupy Movement. People focus on the silly of the Tea Party, the best picture being a guy holding up a sign for liberals saying "Get a brain moran." and other signs with "Government, keep your hands off my medicare".

The focus was on the few to discredit everyone of both movements- because it threatens corporations and status quo. When the Tea Party went to work how quickly was it dismissed by everyone? The anger came from the privatized gains and social losses. That's the same frustration of the Occupy movement.

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faithson 12/16/11 - 11:18 am
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The Tea party movement is for

The Tea party movement is for the most part a bunch of older church going white people who get their 'marching orders' from the likes of Fox news and their pundents. Nothing wrong there if you like watching 'Jerry Springer' and like shows that cater to the lowest common denominator and are too righteous to call a spade a spade. The OWS movement on the other hand is just that... a movement. A movement by mostly younger AMERICANS who see the need for change in our representative Government, a major tenant being getting corporate money out of the election process. Having no media pundants to drive a message, they work among themselves to promote change. The energy behind OWS is not gone by a long shot. You would be remiss to dismiss these young American voters.

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TParty 12/16/11 - 11:42 am
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Faithson: The Tea Party is

Faithson:

The Tea Party is about opposition to taxation in varying degrees, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit. It was started when the government gave our tax dollars to their friends on wall street and banks. It's the privatized gains and socialized losses which the Tea Party is against, trying to return to a fiscally sound policy. I will admit that a large problem of the Tea Party- it has allowed itself to be over taken by big wig republicans who want the status quo, no changes to anything. Just war, war and more war (Watch last night debate, everyone except Ron Paul and Huntsman want war). I don't think the republicans realize the cost of wars to include long term care, not to mention our standing in the world.

The Occupy for the most part want the same thing- but they need legislators to make the laws, which is something the Tea Party understands. It's the reason why there has even been any debate on the debt in the past two years, and why tax reform could be a possibility. Occupy does not have a clear focus message. The occupy is trying too hard not to have a voice and leader, believing that everyone should heard, and using twinkle fingers to support or disapprove of whomever is speaking. I'm all for occupy, but they need to pin down their message and have a united voice.

Both the movements are being dismissed by the media- made too look like clowns and bums because the media is controlled by corporations, and the Tea Party and occupy both believe it's wrong for the corporations to have so many subsidies, take our tax dollars to increase their profits, while socializing the losses.

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dichotomy 12/16/11 - 12:06 pm
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The events in the middle east

The events in the middle east were not protests. They were uprisings; revolution by people who had real issues. All were in countries where they were ruled by virtual, or actual dictators.

The OWS crowd are mainly a bunch of little anarchists. The TEA party protests, or rallies if you prefer, seemed to be the correct way to make a point in a society that already has elections and a representative government. The OWS tactics are unacceptable in a society where we already have what the middle eastern revolutionaries are striving for. The TEA party approach seemed to work, at least in 2010. The OWS crowd seems to be alienating most of the country, and rightfully so. There is also a credibility gap between the two. The TEA party participants were mostly the people who are paying the country's bills whereas the OWS crowd are mostly free loaders or young snits still living off of their parents. The TEA party events had a huge impact and brought the Obama, Pelosi, Reid steam roller to a screeching halt. The OWS gaggles have had zero impact except as a "film at eleven" media story. And even that has deteriorated to shots of OWS people throwing bricks and sharpened metal spikes at police officers. Regardless of which political policies you support, OWS does not come close to being in the same class with the middle eastern revolutionaries who held their "events" while being fired upon by trained soldiers. And I don't remember one report of middle eastern protestors crapping on the sidewalk, doing dope, or raping one of their own. Come to think of it, I didn't hear any reports of that happening at a TEA party rally either. So tell me again why I should sympathize or give any respect to the OWS movement. After a couple of months I cannot even discern what their issues are and what kind of practical, doable solutions they are proposing. The only common thread they seem to have is the desire to block traffic, stink up parks, throw things at cops, and complain about......something.

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Chillen 12/16/11 - 12:07 pm
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The OWS movement is for the

The OWS movement is for the most part a bunch of "everyone gets a trophy" generation, unemployed, in debt, young hippie punks who get their moving orders from the unions, the communists like Van Jones and the radicals here in the United States (like obama). There are also a fair amount of paid protesters and union forced protesters as well.

They are all whipped up and protesting but have their priorities all messed up - as evidenced by the fact that they ignore the government as the main culprit.

Their list of atrocities is astounding. Using kids as shields, placing their kids on train tracks, drug use, pooping in public and on police cars, killing each other, raping each other, groping each other, rampant consensual sex between strangers, rampant STD's (duh), lice, Tuberculosis, protesting without govt permits, camping out overnight despite local rules, trash & filth everywhere, destroying private and public property, blocking crucial ports, hurting local businesses ability to operate.....do I really need to go on here?

OWS may not be gone, but their original good idea has been tainted and tarnished with all the gross & evil things they have done. No one except the radicals are even listening anymore. They had their shot. They blew it.

But not to worry occupy lovers, your salvation has arrived. Jesse Jackson has stepped in to save the day! He has proclaimed that "Jesus was an occupier". I swear you couldn't make up better stuff if you tried!

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TParty 12/16/11 - 01:04 pm
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Protests can take a variety

Protests can take a variety of different forms, from just singing a song to setting yourself on fire, to standing in front of tank. Those actions can lead others, to cause mass demonstrations, to evoke change. The protests in the Middle East ARE very different than the ones in Europe and America, however that doesn’t take anything away from either one.

This idea that people of Occupy are all unemployed lazy bums is just false. According the Wall Street journal, the vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%). That means 85% of people have jobs, to include Scott Olsen, the Marine veteran peacefully protesting in Oakland who was shot in the head with a projectile by riot police. So American citizens are being shot at by trained police force. This is not a slight against the Tea Party, because I am part of them, I support the Tea Party and their fiscal ideals and the need to address our financial problems- however in 2010 when the Tea Party was in the news every day, only 56% of the members at rallies and protests had jobs. Only 56% of us were employed. So, no- your statement of “The TEA party participants were mostly the people who are paying the country's bills whereas the OWS crowd are mostly free loaders or young snits still living off of their parents.” Is false.

The reason liberals don’t like the Tea Party, it’s because the liberal mainstream corporate media demonized the Tea Party is because it threatens the status quo.
The reason the conservatives don’t like Occupy is because conservative corporate mainstream media demonizes Occupy Wall Street is because it threatens the status quo.
These are textbook divide and conquer strategies being used on the American people.
The anger in America stems from the Government having too much power, and the corporations having too much power. The large corporations lobby the government to have more power (Look at the SOPA bill going through committee right now, and the NDAA), and in return, the government enacts laws and regulations favorable to corporations.

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Little Lamb 12/16/11 - 01:13 pm
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TParty said above that 85% of

TParty said above that 85% of the "Occupy" protesters were employed. Then he said that 56% of the Tea Party demonstrators were employed. Let us remember that many of the Tea Party demonstrators are not employed because they are retired! They still have a valid reason for trying to get their taxes lowered because they are still paying taxes.

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TParty 12/16/11 - 02:12 pm
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The consensus of polls and

The consensus of polls and reports state that a 1/3 of the Tea Party are retired.

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Techfan 12/16/11 - 02:18 pm
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"Their list of atrocities is

"Their list of atrocities is astounding. Using kids as shields, placing their kids on train tracks, drug use, pooping in public and on police cars, killing each other, raping each other, groping each other, rampant consensual sex between strangers, rampant STD's (duh), lice, Tuberculosis" Care to source this?

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TParty 12/16/11 - 02:26 pm
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You can type in "occupy

You can type in "occupy children shields" into google and watch the video for yourself. I have never heard about the train track one, but I have watched the video of a woman using two toddlers as shields.

The killing and raping, I don't know anything about that. However there are a lot of young people, under 35 years old at occupy- so hooking up is going to happen. I don't know about the lice and TB though.

With that said- the number of crimes found in the military does not discredit the entire military. We call the military people hero's, but there is still consensual sex between folks, rapes and sexual assault occur, even murder. Again, not too long ago in our own back yards, a service member killed a police officer. Not one person of Occupy has killed a police officer.

My point is that a few criminals do not represent the many.

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Techfan 12/16/11 - 02:36 pm
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The only sexual assault I've

The only sexual assault I've read about was AGAINST an OWS protester by someone not affiliated with the group. As to "human shields", what would they be shielding them from? It looks to me like the kids are just sitting down. The only harm that could come to them is if the police attacked them. Of course the police in this country wouldn't attack people exercising their First Amendment rights. That would be plain out unAmerican.

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TParty 12/16/11 - 02:51 pm
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Techfan: The police showed up

Techfan: The police showed up because the security of the building could not make a clear path for people trying to enter and exit it. The security and police were not trying to stop anyone from exercising their First Amendment right, but there are limits to it. It's the reason Westboro Baptist Church can do what they do. If they ever prevented other citizens from walking around, police would show up to remove them as well.

The woman used those children as shields to make removal difficult, and probably as a way to get an easy payout from the city or the company who owned the building for injuring the children with the use of force.

The police were right in this situation, but there is something scary about the militarization of police in this country, and lack of care when police injure other citizens, especially for non violent crimes. The wounded Marine vet from police is a clear example, and the additional concussion grenades thrown at other citizens while trying to provide aid the injured vet shows how dangerous our police can be. But of course, we allow it because we America is afraid of everything- and we're willing to give up our liberties if it means we might be safe tonight.

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Little Lamb 12/16/11 - 03:05 pm
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Okay, TParty tells us that

Okay, TParty tells us that 56% of Tea Party demonstrators are employed and that 33% of Tea Party demonstrators are retired. That accounts for 89% of them. Of the remaining 11% we have unknown percentages that are unemployed (looking for work), unemployed (homemakers not looking for work), unemployed (financially independent and not looking for work), unemployed (in school and not working), unemployed (business owners not involved in day-to-day operations), unemployed (investor class), and the final category "other."

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justthefacts 12/16/11 - 03:07 pm
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"The wounded Marine vet from

"The wounded Marine vet from police is a clear example". Clear?? From the USA Today, "He does not remember, and probably never knew, what hit him last month, or who was responsible. He agrees with Occupiers who assume it was a projectile fired at close range from a line of riot police." Assume??? By the "occupiers"?? hmm, clear as mud.

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TParty 12/16/11 - 03:14 pm
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Little Lamb. Point being- the

Little Lamb. Point being- the people at Occupy are not lazy bums who are looking for handouts, and are unemployed. Some are, but not the vast majority. Just like some Tea Party people didn't know that medicare is government run, but they want government to keep their hands off it.

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Chillen 12/16/11 - 03:41 pm
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tparty, I suggest you start

tparty, I suggest you start reading news sources other than the liberal koolaid ones you seem to frequent. If you did this, you'd see that 100% of what I posted, not only occurred, but is verifiable.

I don't have time to answer liberals demands for verification. Google it yourself. Here's an article title to get you started.

"Occupy Child Services: Portland Protester Puts 4-Year-Old Daughter On Train Tracks To Stop Rail Traffic"

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TParty 12/16/11 - 04:21 pm
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Chillen: Liberal koolaid? I

Chillen: Liberal koolaid? I didn't realize washington post, new york times, and stories cited by all news agencies are liberal. I suppose someone's blog would be better? Citing sources is nothing new and should be expected when providing 'facts' that the majority are not familiar with.

I did google your 'Occupy Child Services: Portland Protester Puts 4-Year-Old Daughter On Train Tracks To Stop Rail Traffic' and the websites were from Hotair.com blogrunner.com, weaselzippers.com

Come on man, you have to provide something serious to be taken seriously.

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bjphysics 12/16/11 - 04:34 pm
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Sugarfree, red liberal

Sugarfree, red liberal koolaid…mmm good; that and shot of vodka and I’m good to go.

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Chillen 12/16/11 - 04:49 pm
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tparty. You sure didn't look

tparty. You sure didn't look too hard. Will a video of the Mom convince you?

http://www.breitbart.tv/occupyportland-mom-places-4-year-old-daughter-on...

Come on man, we want to take you seriously but are having a tough time swallowing your liberal message.

OWS. Such a mature crowd. Loving parents. Safety first kids!

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Chillen 12/16/11 - 05:00 pm
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tparty. For your viewing

tparty. For your viewing pleasure. Here is a video that came out since I originally posted.

Occupy protesters throw bricks, sticks, road flares, smoke grenades and bags of steel at Seattle police. 11 losers were arrested.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-video-seattle-cops-say-occupy-protes...

Yea, that will make us listen to your message.

I swear, you can't make this stuff up.

What next, will they consult with obama friend, Bill Ayers, to learn how to blow up buildings and kill innocent people (non-protesters)?

Contrast these two videos with the Tea Party rally's. The worst thing they did was smile at police officers and sing the National Anthem.

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Techfan 12/16/11 - 05:17 pm
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I was just about to search

I was just about to search for it with Brietbart. How many ways can you selectively edit video to make someone look bad? Brietbart is known for it. I wouldn't consider him, or Glenn Beck's theblaze very reliable sources. It does show where you get your "news" though. Somehow you left out World Net Daily, CNSnews, and prisonplanet.

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TParty 12/16/11 - 05:29 pm
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Chillen: I can provide video

Chillen: I can provide video of and Occupy mother, who used two toddlers and you can see the children in the video. YOu provide a 43 second clip, with 20 seconds of colored screen with text, followed by adults on a train track, with no children in the footage. Just an over voice saying "This woman used her 4 year child". THen a little clip of her saying something with no child.

Then you provide footage of a news clip, where the head police guy at the end said along the lines this: "It's not all of them (protestors) that are being violent, and doing the wrong thing, just a small portion of them."

Also: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/raw-video-rand-paul-supporter-stomps-on-...

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TParty 12/16/11 - 05:30 pm
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Oh, that was Brietbart. See,

Oh, that was Brietbart. See, that's what I was talking about- a credible source. He's famous for editing videos to fit his narrative. You just proved my point chillen with posting a Brietbart clip.

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justthefacts 12/16/11 - 05:52 pm
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"I didn't realize washington

"I didn't realize washington post, new york times, and stories cited by all news agencies are liberal". Please stop, you're making my side hurt!!

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