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Is this a case of the incorrigible force meeting the unreliable object?

You can’t tell without a program, it seems: Just when you think his accusers have presidential candidate Herman Cain looking like an incurable Lothario, you get a peek into their own lives – and you see chronic complainers and maybe even Sexual Harassment Lottery players.

Indeed, two women out of the four accusers that we now have names and faces for have their own baggage that gives a dispassionate observer pause.

Sharon Bialek, who claims Cain groped her and propositioned her in return for career help in 1997, “is a complete golddigger,” an alleged friend told the New York Post. “Most of her jobs ended in termination. It’s always the employer’s fault, not hers. This is a lady who lives off the system. She is hellbent on finding a way of never having to work and living the lifestyle she wants to live, a very affluent lifestyle.”

The other woman whose identity we know, Karen Kraushaar, received a cash settlement after complaining about Cain at the National Restaurant Association – and then “complained three years later at her next job about unfair treatment, saying she should be allowed to work from home after a serious car accident and accusing a manager of circulating a sexually charged e-mail,” the Associated Press reports.

One news report alleges that at that next job, Kraushaar demanded “thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.”

Sounds like a Christmas wish list.

Her complaint at the Immigration and Naturalization Service where she worked was over her request to work from home after the accident – but she had also apparently requested a work-from-home deal before the accident. She also complained that an e-mail a manager had circulated – joking about how men and women are like computers – was sexually offensive.

So, she has a pattern of complaints, and an apparent hair-trigger.

This is not to suggest that either woman is lying about Cain. We simply don’t know. It’s just that, if his behavior is going to be measured, theirs must be too. And their own behaviors don’t enhance their credibility. It doesn’t help, either, that in post-Anita-Hill America, sexual harassment accusations have become trivialized by both their quantity and quality – awfully easy to make, and often quite unfair.

Still, the sheer number of accusers makes one wonder what’s afoot.

If you were on a civil jury hearing this case, you might be inclined toward the women’s side of things – but maybe not to the point of finding in their favor. Yet.

It has been suggested that Cain’s accusers ought to appear together in one press conference. That may be necessary if primary voters are to come to grips with whom they believe.

We hope that occurs quickly, though. There are too many crises nipping at our heels to dance around this issue much longer.

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Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/10/11 - 06:15 am
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We had information about Bill

We had information about Bill Clinton a hundred times worse than this before his election. We had tapes and depositions. We knew about his outrageous, criminally sexual behavior, yet the press gave him a pass. Do they even ask him today his opinion of what Cain is going through? Nope. The double standard continues with Clinton.

Insider Information
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Insider Information 11/10/11 - 08:26 am
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Hmmm... what a coincidence

Hmmm... what a coincidence too that one lives in the same Chicago building as David Axelrod.

And the fact that another one is a spokesman for the Treasury Department gives her no reason to lie. Her boss is just Geithner, an Obama appointee.

It makes you wonder why they wanted to remain anonymous.

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seenitB4 11/10/11 - 08:50 am
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Last night at the debates the

Last night at the debates the audience booed the question about Cain's problems with the women.....I think we have finally gotten to the saturation point with the "gotcha"news.....let the courts handle whatever comes up & let us hear what the answers are on the economy-health-jobs-illegals-states rights.....thank you to that audience.

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shrimp for breakfast 11/10/11 - 08:51 am
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I agree Riverman!

I agree Riverman!

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 08:54 am
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Riverman1: “We had

Riverman1: “We had information about Bill Clinton a hundred times worse than this before his election. We had tapes and depositions. We knew about his outrageous, criminally sexual behavior, yet the press gave him a pass.”

Your timeline is wrong, there was no public knowledge of “outrageous, criminally sexual behavior” during the 1992 Presidential election season it was claimed: 1) Clinton dodged the Vietnam draft, 2) smoked marijuana when he was in college, and 3) was a womanizer. He denied the first, copped to the second (“I didn’t inhale”), and ignored the third. The evidence for the first was not unambiguous but also not firm given the way Clinton was able to successfully cloud the issue with claims of having a change of conscious, blah, blah, blah. Nobody really cared about the youthful marijuana use and he deflected that well.

During the campaign there was no released evidence of Clinton’s philandering until Gennifer Flowers stepped forward saying she had a long-term extramarital affair with Clinton. Clinton denied it, Hillary stood by him ("stand by your man"), and Gennifer was a hot nightclub singer so the boys gave him a pass or, in my case, compliments.

It has been (barely) reported that Bush Sr. had a one night liaison with a staffer at the U.S. Soviet Embassy in Moscow while V.P. Conventional wisdom is that the Clintons had a Pearl Harbor file on Bush Sr. and made it known to his campaign. So when it came to philandering; the two campaigns were at a standoff – you don’t use your file and we won’t us ours. And so it goes. The bad stuff came later during multiple Republican Presidential hunting expeditions.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 09:05 am
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Wait, a crowd of Republican

Wait, a crowd of Republican true believers at a Republican debate, booed a mainstream media personality when she asked Cain a question derived from his sexual harassment scandal? I’m shocked I tell you, simply shocked.

Well that cinches it, there is no more representative group of the pulse-of-the-nation than a roomful of Republican true believers.

:)

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carcraft 11/10/11 - 09:10 am
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BJphysics, I would say you

BJphysics, I would say you partially right Jennifer Flowers came out early and so did allegations of other affairs Clinton had had including a Ms America who moved to Canada. Clinton had a special unit for Bimbo erruptions. Paula Jones filed suit against Clinton. An magazine article made it look like Jones wanted to be a Clinton "girl" Jones got ticked off and started trooper gate. Clinton's history of womenizeing was well documented by this time but he got a pass from the press etc and was re-elected. Paula Jones was smeared as trailer park trash etc in order to discredit her.

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dstewartsr 11/10/11 - 09:39 am
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"Sexual Harassment Lottery

"Sexual Harassment Lottery players." Great phrase, succinct summary!

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/10/11 - 09:46 am
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1) Clinton dodged the Vietnam

1) Clinton dodged the Vietnam draft, 2) smoked marijuana when he was in college, and 3) was a womanizer. Don't forget the Whitewater controversy. At least one woman (out of sex, I mean six accusers besides Monica) said he raped her twenty years earlier. At least we can find solace that the accusations weren't false-he was a pot smokin draft dodger (who wasn't back then) and a bona fide womanizer. He can't help it is in his "genes"- get it -jeans.

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Bizkit 11/10/11 - 09:54 am
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Well obviously some

Well obviously some politicians have "teflon" armor because nuttin seems to stick. Where can I buy one of those??????
I have to say for a womanizer Clinton had terrible taste in women-his wife, Jones, and Willey are not very appealing. Now Flowers prompte high fives from all the press and his friends.

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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 10:18 am
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Slick Willie

Slick Willie

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Jake 11/10/11 - 12:22 pm
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I don't know, but given the

I don't know, but given the right combination of booze, Paula Jones could be deemed acceptable once you get past her beak.
BTW, is Clinton running again? His name keeps coming up in this discussion.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/10/11 - 12:56 pm
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How bout Perry's gaffe last

How bout Perry's gaffe last nite. Now "they" say it is all over for the presidential wanna be. Hmmm. I guess silence is worst than Obama's gaffes of 52 or 57 states, etc. Everyone says how intelligent Obumba is (mainly because he is a Harvard man) but is that naive. There are plenty of morons from ivy league schools (just because someone has a PhD or degree from an ivy league school doesn't give them immunity from stupidity) and most of the corporate execs are Harvard grads. I haven't read anything intelligent the man has written-mainly because it is all sealed-wonder why??? If he is so brilliant then his fruit would warrant such accolades-but no fruit just myth. Slick Willie has a phenomenal memory and he is brilliant. Newt has a phenomenal memory and is brilliant too-too bad he self implodes. Clinton was a great president because he was able to work with a Rep controlled Congress and get a lot done. Now we have Obama who gives lip service and lectures about doing so but apparently missed diplomacy 101=must have been just present that day-hee,hee.

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allhans 11/10/11 - 01:52 pm
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Last night was the best

Last night was the best debate thus far, I thoroughly enjoyed it. The
gaffe by Perry won't hurt him, as a matter of fact, he handled it well as an "aw,shucks" moment.

I was proud of Gingrich...Romney...Paul for not letting the commentators get by with the "gotcha" type questions.

My kind of guys.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 01:59 pm
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Jake, If Hillary ever runs

Jake, If Hillary ever runs and wins, Bill will be appointed Whitehouse Intern Czar.

allhans
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allhans 11/10/11 - 02:08 pm
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What is Bill doing now...no

What is Bill doing now...no interns, huh?

faithson
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faithson 11/10/11 - 02:23 pm
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you guys still arguing

you guys still arguing this... get over it, it is old news.. on to Perry and his newest gaffe. come on people, focus... Cain never was nor ever will be the choice of the repub's. move on

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 04:21 pm
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*** Gingrich jokes about

***

Gingrich jokes about Perry debate flub

One attendee at Gingrich's town hall asked a three-part question, then lost her way. "I've forgotten the third part," she said. She wasn't joking, but the room recognized the resonance immediately, and broke into laughter.

Later, Gingrich got a question that prompted him to talk about government reform at the cabinet level.

"I have several departments in mind," he said. "I've forgotten some of them." Big laughs. "I think the place to start is the Department of Energy." More laughs.

***

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gingrich-jokes-perry-debate-flub-1618...

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 04:23 pm
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Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 11/10/11 - 05:03 pm
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It was the best debate so

It was the best debate so far. You have to wonder if the party jerked them up about the on stage bickering or if they have wised up on their own, of course not all of them had engaged in that behavior. Last night in my opinion, Ric Perry was less fiesty and oppositional, Herman was nervous, grateful and all over the place, Ric Santorum was his usual obnoxious self, Paul was as smart and humble as ever, Michelle was pretty, but, Newt and Mitt were the forces.

bjphysics
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bjphysics 11/10/11 - 05:12 pm
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Willow Bailey: ”…Paul was as

Willow Bailey: ”…Paul was as smart and humble as ever…”

Paul’s virtue is his unshakable honesty; Paul’s liability is his unshakable honesty.

Bruno
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Bruno 11/10/11 - 05:28 pm
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Paul's liability is his

Paul's liability is his unshakable honesty... racist past... nutter followers... etc. etc.

harley_52
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harley_52 11/10/11 - 05:44 pm
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Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 11/10/11 - 08:01 pm
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Ron Paul will not be the

Ron Paul will not be the Republican candiate. He is however, respectful and very smart which is more than I can say for many others. Those who must resort to playground name calling have nothing substantial to say.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 11/10/11 - 08:02 pm
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bj, you are right. You know

bj, you are right. You know our weaknesses are our strengths under pressure.

Cynical old woman
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Cynical old woman 11/10/11 - 08:06 pm
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BJ, you hit the nail on the

BJ, you hit the nail on the head with regards to Paul.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 11/10/11 - 08:12 pm
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Paul reminds me of a hybrid

Paul reminds me of a hybrid between Stan Laurel and Jughead from the Archie comics. I don't know why? Newt really seems to be finding his pace, I am just waiting for him to stumble. Really Ron Paul is the only one who consistently speaks of reducing the Federal budget and reducing the size of our government. Given the monopoly the gubment has there is no end to its potential to grow. Inevitably they will consume all our income and possess all the jobs. Apparently the majority of Mericans are up for it.

Willow Bailey
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Willow Bailey 11/10/11 - 10:00 pm
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Biz, not too cute to be sure,

Biz, not too cute to be sure, poor fellow. We place a huge focus on appearances, don't we?

I thought Herman was quite witty last night with his "Princess Nancy" remark.

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