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We don’t know what may have transpired between Herman Cain and his colleagues at the National Restaurant Association back in the 1990s. We don’t know who’s making the allegations that he may have done or said some untoward things to a couple of women who then complained.

But we do know that, once made into a national story, the allegations better be backed up with evidence – or there should be hell to pay for those making them.

We also know that the story on the website Politico.com plays right into the hands of those who want the Barack Obama presidency preserved, whatever it does to the nation and its future. And it fulfills the prediction we made that the media would attack any and all Republican candidates personally and relentlessly. Did you see anything like this surrounding the candidacy of Barack Obama in 2008?

And we know that, unless there are shocking new details regarding the ambiguous allegations, Cain’s behavior doesn’t even approach that of the sitting president of the 1990s – after which we were all told that personal conduct has nothing to do with public office. What’s changed, except the political party of the person in question?

We also know that, while true sexual harassment is repugnant and a serious matter, the state of sexual harassment law since Anita Hill is essentially that it’s anything an alleged victim says it is. And anyone can allege anything. Perhaps if the allegations against Mr. Cain result in anything positive, it will be a public discussion of that standard.

Mr. Cain says the allegations are baseless. If he’s shown to be wrong, that will end his candidacy. He’s already rightly earned criticism for failing to respond to the charges coherently and compactly.

But a Politico.com spokesman Monday tried to pretend as if the website could just throw this story out there – using anonymous sources with no details or concrete evidence – and be able to just step away and not claim responsibility for it. Indeed, Politico joined in the chorus of criticism of Cain Tuesday for his response. Sorry, Politico, it’s not that simple. You made the allegations, now you’d better have some evidence. Anyone in journalism for any amount of time knows that one’s anonymous sources had better be impeccable and unimpeachable.

It’s up to Politico to prove the allegations true, not for Cain to prove them false. If Politico fails and the allegations are ultimately perceived as yet another cheap shot at a conservative candidate – as the media took at John McCain a few years ago, while trying to ignore an actual love-child scandal involving Democrat John Edwards – then it may only invigorate and grow Cain’s supporters.

And again, even if Cain is found to have said some off-color things some 15 or 20 years ago, that would hardly rise to the level of what actually occurred in the White House at about the same time.

Regardless of this story’s disposition, it is yet another distraction from what we ought to be talking about, which is the state this country is in and what to do about it. As long as we’re parsing what everyone said or did 20 years ago in some search for the perfect human being, we’ll never get the economy moving again and get the nation back to a position of strength.

We’re a couple hundred years old. When are we going to grow up?

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faithson
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faithson 11/02/11 - 12:41 am
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Not ready for Prime Time.

Not ready for Prime Time. Rise to the level of your incompetence is another. (kinda like ole Mr. Ryan here) Watched the 'implosion' from both sides of the isle and it wasn't pretty. Mr. Cain like all the other candidates running have great ideas, they just don't have the chutzpah to get to the finish line. Mr. Cain is NOT Presidential and as we see, He too can chuck and give with the best of them. Maybe not as good as Perry who cooked his own goose at the New Hampshire speech.

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shrimp for breakfast 11/02/11 - 12:46 am
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I absolutley totally agree

I absolutley totally agree with you AC!!! Bravo!!!
Politico better have more than some dang gossip. For one thing it was 20 years ago and has absolutely no bearing on today's Presidental race.
I'm sick of the way some media outlets will go to these extremes to defame a candidate.
There couldn't have been much to it.
Even if Cain said something off color look where they were. Restauranters, convention, alcohol. Anyone who has spent any time in the hospitality business knows that at these conventions the alcohol flows like Niagara Falls and it's more of a big party than anything else.
Personally and only my opinion is that if there is any truth to it then the woman, women knew Cain was wealthy and used their cunning to make a quick buck.
This country has huge problems and we don't need to spend any time being sidetracked by something so trivial that happened 20 years ago.
If Americans are so brainwashed by all that is sordid then I don't see much hope in our ever getting back to the country we once were.
From reality TV to the downright vulgar garbage that passes for entertainment these days it's no wonder that our brains are so hardwired to filth that we flock to it like a moth to a light bulb.
I'm not saying that sexual harrassment should ever be overlooked but if someone comes forth with something that happened 20 years ago and no one appeared to even remember then this is nothing but a cheap shot at a man running for the most important job in the world.
We have no time to waste on yellow journalism when our country is coming apart at the seams.
The clock is ticking and we are running out of time fast.
I can only pray that the intellect of America can somehow override the childish antics of the idiocy that we can't seem to escape.

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Insider Information 11/02/11 - 05:43 am
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So Herman Cain supposedly did

So Herman Cain supposedly did "something" to "someone" at "sometime" in the 1990s.

This whole thing is dumb.

I support him even more now.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 11/02/11 - 06:24 am
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We had recordings of Bill
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We had recordings of Bill Clinton in some pretty explicit telephone conversations with his mistress, Gennifer Flowers when he was governor of Ark. before the 92 election. It showed him to be the immoral pig that he is, but he was still elected. Polls show Romney or Perry could beat Hollywood Obama right now. Sorry libs, just calls em as I sees em.

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carcraft 11/02/11 - 06:29 am
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I am glad this is out there.

I am glad this is out there. No, and I repeat NO, republican canidate will get a pass from the press. It is much better to get any dirt out in the light of day than have the media bring it up like 30 year old DUI tickets just before the election (the October surprise), false National Guard Papers, proven false alligations of an affair (Both Palin and McCain). etc. If you are a liberal none of this will be made an issue nor will the seriousness of the alligation matter. Look at Clinton and his multitude of affairs and alligations of harrassment, or Obama and all the discrepencies and false statements in his book...For the Republicans, they need to get the dirt out and out early so the public can digest it and the Republican canidates can move on..

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robaroo 11/02/11 - 06:51 am
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It may not have been

It may not have been Politico's intent, but they did the Republicans a favor. They released the story before the first primary instead of well into elections. The whole affair can play itself out before anyone votes.

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curly123053 11/02/11 - 06:53 am
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I do not believe anything

I do not believe anything happened at all! This is nothing more of a "smear" tactic by the lamestream media against a candidate they are scared to death over. We can expect more extreme media attacks from the lamestream media once a Republican candidate is assured of the nomination.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 11/02/11 - 07:15 am
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Funny how all of this came
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Funny how all of this came out AFTER Herman Cain became the frontrunner. My guess is either the Dems or some of Cain's opponents are running scared. Probably both. Doesn't matter, Hollywood Obama will STILL be out of office in January 2013.

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onlysane1left 11/02/11 - 07:51 am
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When John Edwards had rumors

When John Edwards had rumors of infidelity swirling around, the mainstream media picked it up and Edwards dropped out. When photos of Donna Rice and Gary Hart surfaced, there were no bases for these pictures, but the true story came out. When Linda Tripp was outting Billl Clinton, at the same time these Cain allegations, the mainstream media picked it up an ran with it. Is the ACES suggesting that since a Republican candidate is being accused of something the media should quiet down until it is proven, yet, when the above mentioned stories were released when there were just rumors about it? This is what the media does people, not just to Republican candidates, but to famous people in general! I love the double standard by the ACES, if this was a Democrat running for president, they would say how dare he run when his past is so cloudy, but, since it is a popular Republican candidate, how dare anyone accuse them of something. I could see only one person came out and said this, I'd believe it was baseless also, but there are two people were accusing Cain of something. There were settlements filed, something happened, and the media is trying to find the fire from where the smoke is coming from. I dont know what happened, but for 2 people to get 5 figure settlement deals and one is trying to release herself from the confidentiality agreement, something has happened. If you are going to run for president, make sure all your skeletons are deeply buried; if you dont they will rise up and haunt you.........

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carcraft 11/02/11 - 08:19 am
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Onlysaneone- You are a little

Onlysaneone- You are a little bit in error on your history-The pictures of Rice and Hart surface, Hart said they were just having innocent fun,(Rice was sitting on Harts lap and they were hugging) after a trip to the Bahamas, in a boat called of all things, "Monkey Business". Hart said "If you don't believe me follow me around". A Reporter did just that and caught Rice comming out of Hart's apartment early in the morning doing "the walk of shame"! The press was going to leave it alone. John Edwards affair was ignored by the media until the National Inquirer reported it complete with photos.. The alligations against Clinton were long and numerous and ignored by the media, to includ Jennifer Flowers (who had tapes of conversations with Clinton), Paula Jones ( she was attacked by the media and ignored until Clinton gave a depositon and said it depends on what the meaning of is is), Jaunita Brodrick, ( accused Clinton of rape where Clinton bit her lip to control her then said "put ice on it"), former Miss America from Arkansa (who moved to Canada to Avoid problems with Clinton), and toward the end Kathleen Willie (who accused Clinton of groping her). And last but not least was Clinton's intern Lewinski and the famous blue dress that proved Clinton was a womenizer with inappropraite responses to rejection that the press had ignored for years. Clinton even had a special presidential unit to handle (pay off or threaten) women who came forward with their alligations, it was to handle what wwere called (in the most politically correct manner) "bimbo erruptions".

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allhans 11/02/11 - 08:15 am
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I don't agree with much of

I don't agree with much of the comment by faithson but I do agree that Cain is not presidential material in my opinion and if we aren't careful we will have Obama until 2016.

BTW The charge is inviting a woman (business woman, a lady) up to his hotel room using some off-color (oops) language.

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Chillen 11/02/11 - 08:40 am
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The liberals have been mostly

The liberals have been mostly absent for a few days. Now here they are basking in the "glory" of a strong candidates potential demise. Though I don't think it will hurt him too much. I still think he will be someone's VP.

To compare his supposed "proposition" to 3 real & vile acts of infidelity is absurd. Don't forget. There are plenty of gold diggers out there.

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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 08:43 am
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The LA Times refused to run

The LA Times refused to run the Edwards story when they KNEW it was true. Cain has been helped by this smear tactic. His campaign contributions have shot up in the past couple of days. Let's see how he does in the polls. I predict he will soar with the public's response.

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TParty 11/02/11 - 08:45 am
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I just read this: The

I just read this:

The National Restaurant Association gave $35,000 — a year’s salary — in severance pay to a female staff member in the late 1990s after an encounter with Herman Cain, its chief executive at the time, made her uncomfortable working there, three people with direct knowledge of the payment said on Tuesday.

The woman was one of two whose accusations of sexual harassment by Mr. Cain, now a Republican candidate for president, led to paid severance agreements during his 1996-99 tenure as the association’s chief. Disclosure of the cases has rocked Mr. Cain’s campaign just as he was surging in polls.

Further challenging Mr. Cain, a lawyer for the second woman called on the restaurant association to release her from a confidentiality agreement signed as part of her settlement, raising the prospect that she could publicly dispute Mr. Cain’s account of what happened.

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I'll second what onlysane1left said. Whenever one of these allegations come to light, nothing trumps it. Recently, Rep Weiner is a classic example. The bigger they are, the more interest in the story. There are many smaller congressmen who are involved in these kind of things, and it's passed over soon (a lot from the republican side), I wonder who remembers Rep. Christopher Lee?

It's bothersome that this editorial is upset that people want to know details about this event with Cain, and tries to deflect everything to Clinton, and even has the audacity to say "Did you see anything like this surrounding the candidacy of Barack Obama in 2008?". We should stop deflecting, trying to get out of things by pointing to other losers and saying "See! They do it too, so leave me alone."

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 08:49 am
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It is absolutely hilarious

It is absolutely hilarious that Bill Clinton literally had women lined up to tell the press about the sexual aggressiveness he had used with them. Remember Paula Jones telling how he dropped his pants? There were tapes from Jennifer Flowers. Katherine Wiley. I mean it goes on and on.

Then it comes down to the unbelieveably salacious episodes with a 20 year old intern in the White House that would make the famous pornographic "Debby Does...." movie look G-rated.

The liberal press fawns over Bill today as if he never did anything wrong. So don't even talk to me about who is "presidential."

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 11/02/11 - 08:51 am
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My history maybe be wrong,

My history maybe be wrong, but the message is still the same. The media, which includes the ACES, always jumps on something like this irregardless of party, race and sexual preference! The ACES is wrong for throwing their peers under the bus just because they think the "other" media is only after a republican candidate that has "supposedly" done something wrong. The press is trying to find the story behind the rumors to sell more papers or get more viewers. It seems to be working to me.

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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 08:52 am
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Remember after the many

Remember after the many Clinton escapades, the liberals used to come up with rationalizations that sexual practices shouldn't be examined and sexually satisfied leaders were happier and better? Don't think there is a double standard? Pubic hair on a coke can and all.

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hounddog 11/02/11 - 08:57 am
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faithson, ‘Rise to the level
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faithson, ‘Rise to the level of your incompetence is another.’
You are right, Hussein did ‘Rise to the level of his incompetence’.

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Techfan 11/02/11 - 09:07 am
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At least, for a change, we

At least, for a change, we have a Republican harrassing a female instead of boys.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 09:12 am
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Techfan, speaking of that,

Techfan, speaking of that, Barney Frank had his boy lover running a male prostitute ring out of his house. But Ole Barn is the most respected member of Congress according to Chris Matthews.

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harley_52 11/02/11 - 09:12 am
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Techfan said "At least, for a

Techfan said "At least, for a change, we have a Republican harrassing a female instead of boys."

Thank God for small favors too.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 09:16 am
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And speaking of Chris

And speaking of Chris Matthews. I often watch his show at 7 to see what the other side is up to. I remove all throwable objects from my vicinity first however to protect my big screen.

Last night he had a Washington Post reporter on and tried to get him to say Obama would likely win the election. The reporter said it could be a close election, but it is very possibly going to be a landslide win for the Republican candidate. Ole Chris didn't like that comment.

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scoopdedoop64 11/02/11 - 09:18 am
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It is for these very reasons

It is for these very reasons that good people don't run for office. Unless you are a liberal with the press in your back pocket you can bet that they will crucify your character. The fact is that the liberal democrats want to pick our candidate for us which would be that flip flopping moderate, Romney. We must not let them get away with it. You got these women out there that will do or say anything for 15 minutes of fame much less $100,000 for an interview on some primetime news outlet. Until I know something more I am sticking with Cain!

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dstewartsr 11/02/11 - 09:23 am
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"The National Restaurant

"The National Restaurant Association gave $35,000 — a year’s salary — in severance pay to a female staff member in the late 1990s..." Sounds exactly like they did the cost analysis of going into court and defending. Thirty-five grand wouldn't cover the cost of depositions for this kind of case. Cheaper to buy the accuser off than pour a couple of millions into a court battle. The figure she settled for, rather than say, $100,000 - 200,000 makes me believe it was a shakedown.

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Techfan 11/02/11 - 09:24 am
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Frank is admittedly gay. I

Frank is admittedly gay. I believe most of the Republicans caught with their pants down had hypocritically strong anti-gay rights positions.

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carcraft 11/02/11 - 09:32 am
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As I said in my 6:29 post. ,

As I said in my 6:29 post. , I am glad this is out there along with anything else, and yes it does need to be expsed because it speaks directly to the charactor of the person we are electing to political office. It is he double standard when it is a liberal that I am concerned about. I am not justifying it and not giving Cain a pass. I do hope the full charges come out. Many suits are paid because it is cheaper to pay off the person than go to court. The fact that the accuser's lawyer now wants the conditions of the agreement canned speaks volumns about The lawyers lack of charactor!

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Bruno 11/02/11 - 09:29 am
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TechFan, you seem to be

TechFan, you seem to be saying that hypocrisy is worse than having a male prostitution ring being run out of your house.

This Cain thing is nothing more than the other side trotting out old news that didn't have any teeth to it in the 90's to attempt to smear him now. Like I said before, this will work with the mentally deficient but any thinking person will see it for what it is.

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carcraft 11/02/11 - 09:31 am
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Techfan-And yes Edwards was

Techfan-And yes Edwards was the poster boy for the dolting husband with the ill wife! Hypocrisy is bipartisan!

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Riverman1 11/02/11 - 09:34 am
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Barney Frank denied he was

Barney Frank denied he was gay until his lover was caught running the male prostitution ring out of his house. Look that up if you don't believe me. While we are on Frank, realize he had another male ex-lover hired by Fannie Mae (no pun intended) who helped him promote the loans for those who shouldn't have gotten them. We all know how those bad home loans turned out, don't we?

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carcraft 11/02/11 - 09:37 am
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Lets not forget Ted Kennedy

Lets not forget Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne

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