The real enemy

Though government won't admit it, we're already fighting Iran

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Republican presidential candidates were so busy going after each other in their Iowa debate Thursday that they nearly forgot about the real enemy.

Increasingly, it's clear that enemy is Iran.

Tehran's handiwork is evident in Iraq and Afghanistan, where it's an open secret that Iran is at war with the United States, and in Lebanon, where its proxy terrorist organization Hezbollah is gaining strength.

Iran is "in up to its eyeballs" in hostile acts against U.S. forces and interests around the world, Frank Gaffney, founder and president of the nonprofit Center for Security Policy, told us recently.

When asked specifically if Iran is fighting us through the Taliban in Afghanistan, Gaffney replied, "Oh, absolutely."

"Over here we know that Iran is arming the Taliban," one observer there told us.

Gaffney is even more concerned that Iran is pursuing the ability to fire nuclear weapons from ships, which could cripple an electronics-dependent society such as ours with an overhead burst.

Rick Santorum seems to get it. The GOP presidential candidate warned Thursday that Iran has been at war with us since 1979, and has killed more Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan than the natives have.

Why won't our government admit all this? Because, Gaffney says, once you acknowledge it you have to do something about it.

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Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 08/14/11 - 02:58 am
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I'm sorry, but any time you

I'm sorry, but any time you ask me to indulge the assertions of Frank Gaffney, even without linking it to an endorsement of Rick Santorum's similarly defective worldview, it's time to stop listening. Seriously.

copperhead
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copperhead 08/14/11 - 08:38 am
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hussein has told us that

hussein has told us that muslims are NOT terrorists-the TEA party members are the terrorists. So,we are NOT involved in 3 "conflicts" with muslim nations,they are in reality TEA party backed governments. Iran is our friend and only want to help us "see the light" and the error of our ways. Convert to islam today and join your president in the support of the 57 states of islam.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/14/11 - 08:48 am
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One of my biggest problems

One of my biggest problems with George W. Bush was that he left office before effectively dealing with Iran. He knew they were building "the bomb" and he knew they were getting closer by the day. He also knew he would be succeeded in office by a President who would not take action against the growing threat in time to prevent a nuclear catastrophe. He knew it was himself that would have to do it before it was too late, or it wouldn't get done.

Yes, he had a lot on his plate. And yes, the case for stopping Iraq had been severely undercut by his own CIA who had so badly misread Saddam's capability and was unwilling to sign up to an assessment that might be used for yet another military strike in the same region. They sent him a report on Iran's nuclear program they knew to be false and leaked it to the public. No need to attack Iran, it said, they aren't even working on 'the bomb.'

George W. Bush should have joined with Israel in destroying Iran's nuclear capability. At the very least he should have given Israel the support necessary to try it on their own. Iran's plans for the use of nuclear weapons are not good. Iran's intentions have already been announced to anyone really listening.

We will have to deal with Iran and their nuclear weapons at some point. It may be this year, maybe next. Maybe the year after that. But whenever we do, the cost will be greater because we failed to act when we should have. Bush knew of Obama's weakness for action and of his affinity for the muslim world. He knew Obama would not act to save the coming nuclear catastrophe, but took a pass anyway.

And Obama has performed just as expected as well.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/14/11 - 10:19 am
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I said "the case for stopping

I said "the case for stopping Iraq," but obviously meant "the case for stopping Iran."

Sorry about the typo.

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desertcat6 08/14/11 - 12:00 pm
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Harley - spot on.

Harley - spot on. Unfortunately, Iran's contributions to the loss of US life isn't published in ways that indicate how involved they really are. The Iraqi Shia insurgency use of sophisticated triggering devices, explosives, and rockets, and well made explosive formed penetrators early on pointed directly to to Iran. Conventional arms from Iran also funnel across the border to Shia militant. We captured four Iranian military SF advisors in Iraq in 2007. The new SECDEF and CJCS publicly comment on Iran's involvement in Iraq and AF earlier this year. Despite all the evidence, the US has done nothing more than protest diplomatically. I haven't been able to find any estimates on the number of US casualties that can be linked to Iran, but know, based on location and type of weapon used, that our government does.

Like wise, the funneling of weapons to AQI and Sunni insurgents in Iraq from Syria, Saudi and, to a lesser extent, Jordan is ignored. Let's not forget Pakistan's muddling in AF too. All of which costs US lives.

Most likely, it's a fear of expansion of the fighting, the resulting spread
to other Islamic nations, and threat to oil supplies thats holding us back.

Granddaddy John
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Granddaddy John 08/14/11 - 12:59 pm
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Desertcat-My family thanks
Unpublished

Desertcat-My family thanks you and your family for the sacrifice you made for us.God Bless You and Yours.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 08/14/11 - 01:46 pm
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Need to add... Yes, we could

Need to add... Yes, we could and I would support taking action against Iran and any other country that continued to give aid to our enemies. The risk of escalation is real and we need to accept that going in.

Instead of more military operations with limited objectives, we could find ourselves in an actual war. That would take the full backing of, and sacrfices by every American to win.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/14/11 - 02:09 pm
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***Despite all the evidence,

***Despite all the evidence, the US has done nothing more than protest diplomatically. I haven't been able to find any estimates on the number of US casualties that can be linked to Iran, but know, based on location and type of weapon used, that our government does.

Like wise, the funneling of weapons to AQI and Sunni insurgents in Iraq from Syria, Saudi and, to a lesser extent, Jordan is ignored. Let's not forget Pakistan's muddling in AF too. All of which costs US lives.***

All of which brings us back to our discussion the other day. We are wasting the lives and limbs of American servicemen fighting wars we have no intention to "win."

None of those wars can be won without physically defeating the enemy, then seizing and holding the territory. Winning the hearts and minds of the civilian population won't happen because people are more concerned with their heads being sawed off than they are about their hearts and minds. There is effectively an infinite supply of muslim terrorists to replace any that we kill and all of them are more than happy to perform whatever brutally evil attacks on civilians are necessary to keep them in line.

Bring the troops home NOW. Use missiles, drones, and fast moving, strike and run targeted operations on key targets. Stop wasting lives, blood, and treasure on wars we will never win.

When (not if) we go to war with Iran we'll have to reevaluate the situation, but between then and now we should NOT be in either Iraq or Afghanistan wasting our military personnel, torturing their families, and spending money hand over fist most of which is wasted.

harley_52
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harley_52 08/14/11 - 01:52 pm
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***That would take the full

***That would take the full backing of, and sacrfices by every American to win.***

Ain't gonna happen.

I mean unless we've lost a few major cities here at home, the ultra-left will never go along with ANY military action.

We need a leader for a President. Someone who's not prepping for a second term in office and isn't blinded by an anti-American agenda.

Wake me up when we get one.

desertcat6
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desertcat6 08/14/11 - 08:22 pm
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I understand your point and

I understand your point and know how futile our nation building efforts in both places are. Even if we stay until we can say our objectives are reached, both countries are going to be fighting internally within a few years - if that long. Pulling out will only speed up the process. Neither option will stop the growth and spread of radical muslims.

Sure, we could bomb Iran, or any other country that decides to support and harbor radical muslim terrorists after we withdraw. The governments of muslim countries got the hard targets, and the Navy and USAF have the tools. Of course that opens the door for more radical elements to assume control of those decapicated countries, and does nothing but increase the supply of terrorists that will eventually successfully cross our borders and set off some bombs.

I used to argue that positioning our troops in AF and Iraq, and using them there to rebuild was a good thing strategically. It would draw attacks from radical muslims on their own ground against trained Soldiers instead of letting them focus on planning, and executing attacks against defenseless civilians at home. Yes, those death would appear to be a tragic waste of life, but, in reality, each death was saving lives of Americans around the world. Guess I was trying to make sense of it all, and convince myself and others we were doing something noble.

Where's the best place in town to buy weapons? Think I might need to buy some larger caliber hardware, and retrofit my wheelchair with a mount.

NewHere
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NewHere 08/15/11 - 09:43 am
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Who is willing to pay for a

Who is willing to pay for a war with Iran? Not me...I am tired of paying taxes for the wars...when we have so many needs here...talking about a waste of our money....

dstein65
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dstein65 08/15/11 - 11:03 am
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Mr. Gaffney could not be more

Mr. Gaffney could not be more correct. Iran is a serious threat. What is the US response? Cut military spending and hollow out our military instead, removing US capabilities to defend ourselves from any Iranian aggression. Candidates like Santorum and conservative leaders like Gaffney should be commended.

NewHere
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NewHere 08/15/11 - 12:26 pm
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Dstein65 how much in taxes

Dstein65 how much in taxes are you willing to pay!

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