Build that border fence

Arizona passing the hat to fund what the feds stubbornly won't

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Liberals have long pined for the day, as the old saw goes, when "the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy bombers."

Well, we're not there yet. But we're getting close.

Arizona is doing the equivalent of holding a bake sale to raise money to secure its share of the national border: The Grand Canyon state has put up a website asking for at least $50 million in donations to build a border fence, since the Obama administration has no intent to do so.

Yet, as the wantonly negligent federal government looks on with its impotent gaze, it nonetheless has found the energy to sue Arizona over its immigration law. So the feds won't protect the country, but will sue anyone who does. Just a little perverse.

It seems a tall order, but the symbolism is worth every penny: The sight of one of these United States having to pass the hat to raise money to do what we thought we were already paying the federal government to do.

But how beautifully American, for Americans to step into a vast leadership void and just get it done ourselves.

Americans already have contributed nearly $4 million to help Arizona fight the Obama administration in court over the state's immigration law. As the sponsor of the law authorizing the build-the-fence donations, state Sen. Steve Smith, notes, the $4 million for the court fight was essentially a gift to lawyers. Folks might even be more excited about contributing to the national security with a border fence.

Predictably, as the Associated Press reports, Democrats complain the build-a-fence effort is "a misguided and piecemeal approach to border and immigration issues that should be tackled more comprehensively."

By "comprehensively," what is meant is "doing nothing."

An immigrant-rights activist told the Associated Press, "We're just concerned this is playing politics with the border instead of trying to address border security seriously."

By addressing it "seriously," they mean "by doing nothing."

You know you've hit a raw nerve with the status-quo, open-borders crowd when they start pushing words like "comprehensive" and claiming that honest, grass-roots attempts to solve the border problem aren't "serious."

People have died and cross-border paths have been worn by drug and immigrant smugglers in dangerous and criminal and sometimes fatal illegal entries into what was supposed to be a law-abiding country. Our labor market has been flooded, millions of illegal aliens live in fear in the shadows -- not learning the language or otherwise assimilating while fearing officialdom -- and our streets continue to be poisoned by smuggled-in drugs. Tell us again how having open borders is über -compassionate.

It's the opposite.

We hope the Arizona fence gets funded and built and inspires other states to act in lieu of a federal government that has -- it's amazing to even type out -- grown hostile to U.S. interests.

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copperhead
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copperhead 07/25/11 - 03:57 am
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Stop the HATE! AMNESTY for

Stop the HATE! AMNESTY for all! Undocumented workers have a god-given right to break our laws. AMNESTY for ALL criminals! Write your congressman/congresswoman today....even if they can't read.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 07/25/11 - 05:09 am
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I'd chip in for a fence

I'd chip in for a fence around Georgia to screen those we want to let in. If that's too much, at least a fence around Columbia County.

copperhead
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copperhead 07/25/11 - 05:17 am
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MY,MY,MY, the HATRED! These

MY,MY,MY, the HATRED! These undocument workers are just looking to build a better life no matter how many outdated laws they break. Our laws on immigration are pure HATE and MUST be changed to favor illegal entry into our country! Open our borders today. We need all the hard working low wage earners that we can get.

carcraft
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carcraft 07/25/11 - 05:27 am
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Liberals are funny-They see

Liberals are funny-They see things like a right to privacy, seperation of Church and state, the Commerce Clause allowing regulatin of insurance controlled by states etc Yet defending America and the rights to keep weopans, clearly stated can't quite by grasp by this group of intellectuals..LOL

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 06:43 am
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The border fence is a waste

The border fence is a waste of time and money, but even more importantly, it doesn't work. People can always find a way over it, under it, or around it. Build a fifteen foot fence and I'll find a sixteen foot ladder.

The way to stop illegal immigration is to remove the incentive for immigrating. Enforce the laws. Make jobs and social services unavailable to illegal immigrants. Make the penalties for hiring them or harboring them so certain and so severe that citizens won't do it.

It's a simple matter of National will. We don't have any. As a society, we really don't want to stop it. The poor Mexicans, we tell ourselves, they need the same things we do. What's wrong with them wanting a better life for their family? Why can't they have the same things we do? Look at those poor little children, how can we treat them so badly as to refuse them an education or even worse, a meal or medical care?

We have lost our way. We've stopped making decisions based on rationality, principle, and laws. We are now driven by political correctness and emotion. Liberalism has sapped our strength, our courage, and our resolve. The reason we can't win a war, or even seal a border, is simply that we haven't the guts to do it. We tie the hands of our military and our border patrol with rules of engagement that endanger their lives and make their jobs impossible.

The fence won't work because the lack of a fence isn't the real problem. If we REALLY wanted to seal the border we could do it by changing the rules of engagement, enforcing existing laws regarding immigration, and adopting rational (not P.C. and emotional) policies as regards our treatment of those who attempt to sneak into our Country.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/25/11 - 07:15 am
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While I agree with Harley
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While I agree with Harley regarding incentives, there will always be those who will come anyway because even with incentives lowered, its better than the life in central and south America. However, when your boat is leaking, you first plug the leak, THEN begin bailing out the water.

grouse
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grouse 07/25/11 - 07:29 am
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Soon we'll be like post-war
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Soon we'll be like post-war East Germany, with a very nice wall...

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 09:10 am
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It's not a better life if

It's not a better life if you're unemployed, without "free" social services, in constant fear of having your "papers" checked, and immediate deportation awaiting you.

When I said "remove the incentives" I meant all of them, with the sole exception of emergency medical care sufficient to allow survival long enough to be deported.

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 09:12 am
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East Germany's wall worked

East Germany's wall worked only because it slowed you down long enough for the guards to get a good sight picture on their machine guns. They were serious about border control. We aren't.

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 09:43 am
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The other noteworthy

The other noteworthy difference between East Germany's wall and our wall is that their wall wasn't intended to keep West Germans OUT, it was designed to keep East Germans IN. Nobody, but nobody really wants to sneak IN to a country that's been devastated by socialism and communism.

Oddly enough, that may end up being the final solution to the immigration problem. If "progressives" succeed in subverting our Constitution and bringing about the destruction of our economy it won't be long before nobody wants to come here either.

Freedom and prosperity are what immigrants seek. Those things are antithetical to the kind of nation the "progressives" seek to create.

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burninater 07/25/11 - 09:44 am
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"However, when your boat is

"However, when your boat is leaking, you first plug the leak, THEN begin bailing out the water."

Easier said than done when your boat is 1,969 miles long.

Harley, I think you nail down a specific feature of the current Culture War with your 6:43 post:

"It's a simple matter of National will. We don't have any. As a society, we really don't want to stop it. The poor Mexicans, we tell ourselves, they need the same things we do. What's wrong with them wanting a better life for their family? Why can't they have the same things we do? Look at those poor little children, how can we treat them so badly as to refuse them an education or even worse, a meal or medical care?"

Some people view that level of compassion as having no will. Others view that level of compassion as a prerequisite for having a will. Communication between those two viewpoints is often difficult.

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hounddog 07/25/11 - 09:46 am
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‘Soon we'll be like post-war
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‘Soon we'll be like post-war East Germany, with a very nice wall...’
It figures. East Germany had the wall TO KEEP PEOPLE IN. Liberals never seem too get it I guess that’s why they are liberals. .

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 07/25/11 - 10:09 am
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Instead of worrying about how

Instead of worrying about how to pay our bills and get the debt down, let's build a fence to keep the immigrants out, because they can't boat their way in, like previous illiegal Cubans and Haitians have been doing for years.

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 10:31 am
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Americans are a compassionate

Americans are a compassionate society. One need look no further than the billions of dollars we spend helping people around the world recover from natural disasters Nobody does more than we do.

Americans are also a thoughtful society. We recognize we have a special place here. We understand the blood our fathers and their fathers before them have shed to keep it special. We understand our borders cannot be open to the other five billion who live in other countries and that a rational, sensible, manageable program must be in place to control the flow of foreigners into our Country. We are especially aware now that war against us has been declared by untold millions of radical Islamists.

There is no communication problem here and there isn't any compassion problem either. The problem is that "progressives" use "compassion" as a tool to subvert the efforts of people who seek to solve problems. It is not compassionate to allow the free flow of criminals and terrorists across our borders to wreak havoc, death, and destruction. It is not compassionate to overburden our schools, hospitals with millions of people who can't speak our language and do not pay the same taxes our citizens pay for those services.

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Michael Ryan 07/25/11 - 01:58 pm
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"Bernacke, the patrol agent,

"Bernacke, the patrol agent, says that since the triple fence was finished in October, there has been a 72 percent decline in illegal migrant apprehensions in the 120-mile swath of the US-Mexican border known as the Yuma sector."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2008/0401/p01s05-usgn.html

harley_52
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harley_52 07/25/11 - 03:17 pm
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Mr. Ryan... This article

Mr. Ryan...

This article makes very little sense and worse, the results claimed for a relatively small sector of the border are being touted as success for the entire "fence" project. Nothing could be further from the truth.

First of all, Bernacke admits he's talking only about the "Yuma" sector which is apparently 120 miles of the nearly 2000 mile border. It is in the Yuma sector where the fence creates a particularly daunting obstacle that he claims has seen a 72 percent decrease in apprehensions. Several issues come to mind.

First, how many illegals are being missed? Can we assume that the number of apprehensions is a reasonable predictor of the number of attempts? It's pretty important to know the number of attempts to judge the success, not just the number actually captured.

Second, why hasn't there been a 100 percent decline? Obviously some are still getting through. How many are still sneaking in? I don't think we can claim any kind of success based on the data presented here and to applaud it and use it as "proof" the fence works is laughable.

The article addresses other important issues. One is that if you build a very effective fence in one spot, the illegal immigrants go to another spot. Most of the fence will not be as expensive or formidable as that in the Yuma sector and the immigrants will just go to the point(s) where it's relatively easy to cross.

The other is that neither the geography nor the legal system supports this type of undertaking. Some people don't want their property seized by the government and others will undoubtedly want to get rich by selling it to the taxpayers. How ruthless does the federal government want to be in taking the property or how many billions of dollars will we pay the hold-outs?

The "fence" is a bad idea now, just like it was when it was first proposed. It is nothing more than a "feel good" exercise that gives people the ability to claim we are really doing something about a problem we haven't the guts to really solve.

As I said earlier, those who really want in will find a way over, under, or around ANY fence we choose to construct. Telling ourselves we're solving the problem is nothing more than whistling past the graveyard.

eagle
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eagle 07/25/11 - 04:40 pm
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The fence will be a waste of
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The fence will be a waste of money because Presbo is pushing to allow Mexican trucks to run all 48 states (instead of the 10 miles North of the border they are now limited to). Many of those trucks won't be inspected, so we'll have no idea what will be in those trailers. Will it be more illegals, terrorists..what? Not only will this plan hurt the U. S. economically, but the roads will really become unsafe. But then, that's what the Pres. has intended to do...bring the US to it's knees through bad economic plans.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 07/25/11 - 05:31 pm
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BURN, if we can defeat
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BURN, if we can defeat imperial Japan AND nazi Germany, I'm betting we can secure our borders, IF OUR POLITICIANS WILL LET US!! FINISH THE %$#@ FENCE!!

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rmwhitley 07/25/11 - 06:05 pm
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Liberals expand their base by
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Liberals expand their base by throwing hardworking people's money at ne'er do wells and illegal aliens. They remind me of the boy who asked a man for a $100 until his uncle straightened up. His uncle was like obama, had no spine.

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Vito45 07/25/11 - 08:10 pm
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Harley, thank you for saving

Harley, thank you for saving me the typing. I've been beating that same drum over on the former forums for years. Just like any other supply and demand equation, take away the demand and the supply dries up. PERIOD. Taking away the demand is easy if the politicians, both conservative and liberal, had the courage to do it. What's left then are drug smugglers and a trickle of criminals that are much easier to deal with. That in no way should inhibit legal, verified guest workers from filling labor needs in the states.

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Vito45 07/26/11 - 09:28 am
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myfather15, it is simple; we

myfather15, it is simple; we cannot afford unregulated immigration. Your "open arms" proposal, while emotionally appealing, is short sighted and immature. The United States would be overrun and broke in short order. You will note that very, very few people fault illegal immigrants for the desire to have a better life, we all would want the same. We fault them for not going through legal means to get here. That is Hispanics, Europeans, Asians, Africans, and anyone who comes here illegally.

Vito45
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Vito45 07/26/11 - 11:53 pm
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Thank you for the

Thank you for the clarification. I tend to react quickly to anyone suggesting we should go easy on illegals, so sorry if I was trigger happy and didn't read more carefully.
We just have to get a handle on this problem from a logical and not emotional approach. They are going to break us sooner or later; either by swelling the social services rolls or driving wages down to where Americans have to go on assitance due to lack of entry level jobs.

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