Star of the debate? The crowd

Amid breakout candidate moments, energized audience anxious for change

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Liberals such as CNN's Joy Behar think the 2012 election is over, after bin Laden's killing.

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Herman Cain appeared at the GOP debate in Greenville, S.C. on Thursday.  Associated Press
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Herman Cain appeared at the GOP debate in Greenville, S.C. on Thursday.

Actually, the race just got started Thursday night in Greenville, S.C.

While the first Republican presidential debate had all the feel of a spring football game -- with mostly underclassmen and few keeping score -- several candidates made big headway.

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum probably won on points, with a firm and sometimes bristling performance -- and a game plan that no one would pass him on the right.

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a solid, articulate and whip-smart likeable guy who suffers from possibly being "too nice," as one media outlet put it, failed to score his breakout moment. But he undoubtedly carved out a place at the big candidates' table.

Businessman and former U.S. senatorial candidate from Georgia Herman Cain, on the other hand, "sent shockwaves across the conservative end of the political spectrum with his performance," wrote the liberal Huffington Post website. Indeed, Republican pollster Frank Luntz's focus group on Fox News was utterly wild about Cain afterward.

"I have never had this kind of reaction until tonight," Luntz reported. "Something very special happened this evening."

South Carolinians, we were reminded often Thursday night, will likely hold a grudge against the other potential candidates who skipped the event. They will have to work overtime to win back the most attentive Carolina conservatives.

But the more ominous takeaway from Thursday's debate was the almost palpable fervor in the crowd for a new brand of hope and change.

They don't think the election is over. Far from it; they simply can't wait for the opportunity to fire Barack Obama. All that remains is to decide who will do it.

It's not racial; Herman Cain is black, and won over a lot of voters Thursday. Nor is it personal. South Carolina voters, as well as many others across the country, are focused like a laser on this administration's policies. From the health-care takeover to the unprecedented overspending to the overbearing bureaucracy -- the administration is currently trying to prevent Boeing from building a plant in South Carolina because of its right-to-work labor laws -- these folks are simply fed up.

Bin Laden's demise hasn't changed that a bit.

Right now, there isn't anything close to a Republican frontrunner, and there's still a sense that perhaps the party's deus ex machina hasn't yet arrived on stage. Greenville only served to muddle things. That's fine; that's the tortured beauty of a free republic.

But at some point, the majority of Americans unhappy with the direction of the country need to see some movement in the GOP -- some sign that the party won't blow this opportunity to defeat a president with a still-reeling economy (unemployment back up to 9 percent) and no pro-jobs policies to speak of. This president appears ideologically opposed to doing what's necessary to get the private economy growing again.

That's a problem the Navy SEALs are unable to help the president with.

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shamrock
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shamrock 05/08/11 - 02:50 am
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There may not be a front

There may not be a front runner in the Republican party ... yet! But it does seem to become clearer that the Republican candidate will be the front runner in the next election!

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/08/11 - 07:46 am
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Liberals like Joy Behar don't
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Liberals like Joy Behar don't think the 2012 election is over, they only hope it is. The Bin Laden bump in approval is already proving to be short lived. Liberals know that if this president doesn't get the economy moving, something he's proven he has no clue how to do, they will be seeing him waving goodbye to Washington in January 2013. Just the facts, mam.

Jane18
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Jane18 05/08/11 - 07:57 am
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Who cares what Joy Behar says

Who cares what Joy Behar says or thinks? That woman, and all those that think like her, are in their own little wonderland. Reality and common sense are nowhere in their brains, I'm sorry to say. I've liked Herman Cain for a long time, my 'hope' is that he stays the man I think him to be.

comet2u
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comet2u 05/08/11 - 08:25 am
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Who's to say....Obama got bin

Who's to say....Obama got bin Laden in 2 yrs, something Bush could not "accomplish" in 8 yrs in office. Bush got us into 2 wars that have been a drain not only on our brave men and women in the armed forces, but whats been been in part the a major contributor to the economic downturn that began during W's watch. With bin Laden gone this will only expedite troops withdrawls from the planned 2015 down to 2012-2013, so hopefully the the economy will pick up in time for Obama's reelection. it is just one big puzzle right now and signing the presidential order as Commander in Chief to remove bin Laden is a huge piece, something most card carrying NRA members can truly appreciate.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/08/11 - 08:51 am
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It is interesting to notice

It is interesting to notice the national media is not recognizing Cain's amazing performance at the debate. Even the conservative commentators have been mum. Cain was astounding, in control.

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 05/08/11 - 08:55 am
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Well, I am surprised to hear

Well, I am surprised to hear that about Herman Cain, but I guess it is a good thing that fella from Georgia is on the national stage again.

Let's wait and see what happens.

Brad

WW1949
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WW1949 05/08/11 - 09:18 am
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I have always liked Herman

I have always liked Herman Cain and would have voted for him in the last election if I had a choice. The fact that the Obama Admin. is trying to block the building of the Boeing Plant in Charleston is just not right and none of his business if it is union or not. And really none of the business of anybody except Boeing and South Carolina. It is a stockholder company and doesn't belong to the government except in Obamas eyes and mind.

Jon Lester
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Jon Lester 05/08/11 - 10:34 am
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Cain is a gifted motivational

Cain is a gifted motivational speaker, for certain. He's made a name for himself in this race, but the hard part is yet to come, when he has to defend his record as a Federal Reserve banker and a WorldNetDaily columnist, in addition to a message that basically promises even more concentration of wealth in the hands of a few and an approach to foreign policy that will only invite disaster.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/08/11 - 11:30 am
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Funny, when Bush was
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Funny, when Bush was president, and other terrorist leaders were being hunted down and taken out, all the liberals could do was scream about Gitmo and all the cases of "torture." Now, the same facility is STILL in operation, the wars that Obama criticized are still being fought, but notice, not a word from the liberals about this or "torture." Guess it depends on which party is in power, eh guys?

Taylor B
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Taylor B 05/08/11 - 11:41 am
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Hmmm, no mention of Ron Paul,

Hmmm, no mention of Ron Paul, who raised over a million dollars on debate day alone? Oh, I see how it is, he wont play ball with corporations so he gets shrugged off...

YankeeInvasion
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YankeeInvasion 05/08/11 - 12:09 pm
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I'm a bit confused. Weren't

I'm a bit confused. Weren't most republicans balking at the TARP program? The same program that Herman Cain wrote praises about in his 2008 column?
http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc133.htm

If Cain couldn't even win a senate seat against Johny Isakson, how is he going get the republican nomination for president?

dani
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dani 05/08/11 - 12:21 pm
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It's not who is a good

It's not who is a good motivational speaker, we have tried that already, it is first of all, can he win the election and second is he capable of giving the leadership this nation needs.

(I haven't seen that as yet.)

faithson
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faithson 05/08/11 - 12:40 pm
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Yankee has it right... if

Yankee has it right... if you can't win a state senate seat in GA your chances of advancing up are pretty slim. Herman is to off the wall for the swing votes that will be needed to win any presidential election.. Sorry boys but your going to need much better candidates than showed up in Greenville last week.. much better

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/08/11 - 02:00 pm
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Yep, Cain is kind of coming

Yep, Cain is kind of coming out of nowhere. He lost the U.S. Senate election, but clearly won the debate. He has a presence on stage. I'd love to see him debate Obama sans teleprompter. That would be fun.

AutumnLeaves
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AutumnLeaves 05/08/11 - 02:15 pm
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You betcha.

You betcha.

YankeeInvasion
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YankeeInvasion 05/08/11 - 02:49 pm
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As for southern guy's

As for southern guy's statement that"not a word from the liberals about this or torture." That's BS. First of all, in 2009 President Obama signed an Executive Order that revoked Bush's 2007 EO that allowed for torture. And Southern Guy, the problem with torture is that you have no way of knowing whether the information gathered has any basis in truth.

A case in point is Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi to Egypt, where he was tortured under CIA direction by Mubarak's henchman.

Al-Libi has been identified as the primary source of the faulty prewar intelligence regarding chemical weapons training between Iraq and al Qaeda. He told interrogators that Iraq provided training to al-Qaeda in the area of weapons of mass destruction. The Bush Administration then used that dupe to justify the invasion of Iraq, telling the public in October 2002 that "Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases"

This single case can be linked to deaths of thousands of American Soldiers and countless civilians in Iraq at the hands of President Bush's backing of torture, all the while Osama bin Laden was allowed to go free.

In a 2006 study by the National Defense Intelligence College, trained interrogators found that traditional, rapport-based interviewing approaches are extremely effective with even the most hardened detainees, whereas coercion and torture consistently builds resistance and resentment.

Steven Kleinman, a longtime military intelligence officer and expert in human intelligence operations, intelligence support to special operations, and special survival/resistance to interrogation training, has extensively researched, practiced and taught interrogation techniques. In an interview in 2007, Kleinman likewise stated that "Had we handled some of these sources without torture from the beginning, I think that there’s a good chance that we would have gotten this information sooner"

The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding and torture, Osama bin Laden would have been taken out when Bush was president.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/08/11 - 03:19 pm
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Thank goodness we have Leon

Thank goodness we have Leon Panetta telling the truth about the value of the waterboarding in the elimination of Osama.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 05/08/11 - 04:09 pm
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YANKEE, the point I was
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YANKEE, the point I was making is that things have changed very little with Obama as president, except the economy worsening. Liberals have said nothing about the current administration. Bush couldn't bend down to scratch his backside without liberals claiming he was the center of evil, including accusing him of sanctioning torture. And you should know that nobody know exactly what goes on in these prisons, including what goes on now. Sorry the truth offends you so.

YankeeInvasion
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YankeeInvasion 05/08/11 - 04:16 pm
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Riverman, What Leon Panetta

Riverman, What Leon Panetta is saying is that it is unprovable that waterboarding produced intelligence that led to bin Laden's death. To the best of my knowledge, I have not heard him say that waterboarding was positively a value in this situation. If you have proof of otherwise I'll eat my words. But In the video I saw, Panetta stated that some of the detainees were waterboarded, but it is not clear if those sources were used. Panetta also stated that they used a multitude of sources to catch BL. Despite Brian Williams' insistance on the matter, Panetta still made his stance quite clear. Watch the video-

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42887470#42887470

YankeeInvasion
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YankeeInvasion 05/08/11 - 04:35 pm
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Southern Guy, try listening

Southern Guy, try listening to something other than Fox News and whatever other right wing nuts you listen to, you might actually hear that many liberals, including myself have been very vocal and outraged about some of the antics of President Obama. Spend some time on Huffington Post, one of the most popular liberal news and blog sites. You'll be surprised at what you find.
True, we're not going nuts over the birther crap like you guys are, but Obama has certainly been the focus of much consternation from liberals.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/08/11 - 04:36 pm
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Yankee, are we dealing in

Yankee, are we dealing in alternate universes or something here? Panetta clearly says some of the information used to find Osama came from detainess who had been interrogated using enhanced techniques. Brian Williams even had him clarify what was meant. He asks him at the 4:45 mark of the video a couple of times IF SOME OF THE INFORMATION USED TO CAPTURE OSAMA came from those detainess who had been waterboarded. Panetta says yes. End of story.

But look, I give Obama all the credit in the world for being the leader who didn't mess up pulling this off. It also justifies the waterboarding of the three detainees under Bush. Heaven help us if Carter or Clinton had been in charge.

YankeeInvasion
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YankeeInvasion 05/08/11 - 05:07 pm
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Riverman, Panetta also says

Riverman, Panetta also says "it's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got" and " I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question"
I don't see how this justifies torture and states that they positively used waterboarded detainees information or not. Just my opinion, but I'm taking into consideration the entire interview.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/08/11 - 05:25 pm
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Williams asks him three times

Williams asks him three times in one version or another, "Are you denying waterboarding was used to get at least some of the information used in the finding of Bin Laden?"

Panetta answers, "No, not at all. Some of the information came from the enhanced interrogation techniques."

Geez, this is not even worth arguing about. Even the liberals in the media have given up on that point. Panetta is head of the CIA and knows what happened. If the reports I'm hearing are true, Panetta was really in charge during this time and pushed to get this done. Good man. It's also interesting to note they had orders to kill Osama.

scoopdedoop64
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scoopdedoop64 05/08/11 - 09:08 pm
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Herman Cain seems like a very

Herman Cain seems like a very strong canditate to me. Too bad he was not the first black president.

onlysane1left
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onlysane1left 05/09/11 - 12:34 pm
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I heard this ame talk when

I heard this ame talk when Obama was running, then when we won, the sugar turned sour quickly. It would only be the same for Mr. Cain. This is just a cool thing for the Republicans to say in the face of the times. IMO, Cain would never get the nomination, they may let him run for VP.......

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