Fighting for life

'Heartbeat Bill' marks brave step in the battle to protect the unborn

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The Greek scholar Aristotle deemed the heart the most important organ in the body.

Countless millions of others think that, too.

So does Ohio state Rep. Lynn Wachtmann. That's why she introduced a bill Wednesday dubbed the "Heartbeat Bill" -- which many are calling the biggest challenge yet to the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion.

It would prevent a woman from ending a pregnancy once a fetal heartbeat is detected -- usually in the first six weeks of pregnancy, and as early as 18 days after conception. An emergency medical situation would be the only exception.

"I'm introducing this bill to get the debate going to see how far we believe we can push the U.S. Supreme Court in upholding as strong a bill as possible, that is saving as many unborn babies as possible," Wachtmann said.

Abortion advocates "are terrified because they know that this is going to work," said Janet Folger Porter, the president of the conservative interest group Faith2Action and who helped create the bill. "They realize that we have taken from them all of their scare tactics and we have the strongest arguments."

Poets and thinkers long have placed the heart metaphysically at the center of thought and deep emotion. Now it's at the center of controversy -- when it's really all about a baby's right to live.

The National Association for the Reform of Abortion Laws has called the bill "political interference" into a private medical issue. Really? Would NARAL be prepared to describe Obamacare the same way?

Some right-to-life advocates say one obstacle to the bill's success is the possibility of state courts or perhaps ultimately the Supreme Court swatting the law down with the same rationale they would apply to a full abortion ban.

But that's no reason to scrap it. The issue has to be raised. The attempt has to be made. The public -- most importantly the women encountering the blessing of motherhood -- need to think this through.

Do some soul-searching. Exactly what is a woman ending when she decides on an abortion?

An abortion ends life. Period. It's not just a clump of tissue in the mother's womb. It's not some abnormal multiplication of cells like an invasive tumor.

It's a person. Has any other human embryo grown to become anything else?

Abortion is not contraception. It's contra-life . And the Heartbeat Bill fights for the lives of untold numbers of children yet to be born. It needs to pass in Ohio, and other states should follow.

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Insider Information 02/11/11 - 01:05 am
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This bill is a good start,

This bill is a good start, but a baby is still a baby and killing is still killing regardless of the age.

Abortion is a matter of semantics.

For too long, this country permitted slavery because it refused (contrary to common sense) to recognize African Americans as people.

That fortunately changed, and this country will recognize babies as people too.

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Name Not Important 02/11/11 - 01:52 am
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Ironic how those most

Ironic how those most concerned about the "murder" of a zygote or fetus are ok with our bloated military budget and death penalty. And how about all those leftover "snowflake babies" leftover from IVF procedures? No mention of those is there? They'll never outlaw abortion for the wealthy it's just a wedge issue that will get the ministers endorsing Republican candidates from the pulpit in the name of "life".

Life for these people begins at conception and ends at birth. They believe in abortion. They allow the fetus to come to term, then deny it healthcare (the US has the highest infant morality of any industrialized country), then kill it or wait until it is 18, then start useless wars for political reasons, then kill it. The end results are all the same. If men carried and birthed the babies, abortion would be a sacrament in every Christian Church.

The idea that my uterus isn't really mine is an extremely insane idea. If that's the case, why should it be limited to my uterus? Then your testicles aren't yours either, boy. Oh and I guess if I need an organ transplant of some sort, I'll just go ahead and help myself to yours as well. That should be fair.

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DuhJudge 02/11/11 - 07:59 am
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Uterine ownership is not the

Uterine ownership is not the issue. Tearing a baby limb from limb is. The heartbeat in your uterus is just as entitled as the heartbeat in your chest. At least I think so. Obviously so did your Mother.

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InChristLove 02/11/11 - 09:43 am
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DuhJudge and constitutionnow,

DuhJudge and constitutionnow, nicely said!!

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Michael Ryan 02/11/11 - 11:21 am
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Wow. So there's no difference

Wow. So there's no difference between defending a nation or punishing a killer and ending the life of the totally innocent unborn. Folks, you decide who's being logical here!

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Insider Information 02/11/11 - 12:01 pm
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Mr. Ryan, if you ever expect

Mr. Ryan, if you ever expect logic from the left, you'll be disappointed every time.

The pro-abortion argument is no different than the Nazis during the Holocaust or slave owners in this country.

If you haven't seen MAAFA 21, you must see it.

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Name Not Important 02/11/11 - 01:32 pm
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We can't even feed, clothe,

We can't even feed, clothe, and shelter the people we have in this country NOW and we want to put up more roadblocks to abortion, causing MORE unwanted children to be born as wards of the state being taken care of at taxpayer expense?

I mean, as much as you guys don't like it, people are gonna have sex and become pregnant because they failed to use proper birth control. That is NEVER EVER EVER gonna stop. Seriously, can we agree to that yet? That no matter what, it's going to continue to happen?

Okay, since all but the most idiotic people are in agreement with that, let's take it a step further: Who is going to pay for these unwanted children? The mother and father? You ever hear the phrase "You can't get blood from a stone?" So what makes you think these people will take responsibility for these unwanted children? Because you tell them they have to? Because it's the right thing to do? Don't make me laugh...we ALL know there isn't a DAMN THING anyone can do to make them take responsibility for their actions and take care of the problem they created. You can lock them up in jail, big whoop, they're STILL not taking care of their child AND now not only are their children wards of the state but now the mother and/or father is ALSO costing taxpayers. Yeah, great idea there...

If anything we need MORE abortions in this country. Unless all you fundamentalist Christians can show me how you're home is open to these unwanted children, your opinion is so much hot air, built upon a scenario that is about as likely to happen as all the irresponsible people of the world deciding to go buy a box of condoms and actually USE them.

Like arguing against marijuana legalization, or legalization of prostitution, there's one fundamental fact that those opposed seem to be completely blind to: NONE OF IT IS EVER GOING TO STOP. IT HASN'T FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, WHY ARE YOU SO ARROGANT TO THINK IT WILL NOW? People have been getting high since the dawn of time, people have been going to prostitutes since the dawn of time, and yes, women have been getting abortions since the dawn of time. The only difference is that a women today doesn't have to die as much to get one, but guess what? Even when the mortality rate was much much higher, when women were shoving broken bottles on broom handles up inside themselves, taking untested poisons from back alley midwives, abortions STILL happened, because sometimes having an unwanted child is worse than death to a woman.

Welcome to reality. Maybe it's not the reality you would have chosen, but as we all should know by this point, the world isn't all sunshine, rainbows, and angels, your God is not my God, and my body is MY BUSINESS.

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Jon Lester 02/11/11 - 01:36 pm
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If you're serious about

If you're serious about curtailing abortion, then you'd better also be prepared to expand Medicaid and offer subsidized contraception to lower-income people. You can't make people any better at choosing their partners, but you can at least take some real action to promote your "culture of life," and build a healthier tax base for the future, as well.

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howcanweknow 02/11/11 - 03:04 pm
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It's obvious that "Not

It's obvious that "Not Important" has no god but themself. Funny how someone can demand that we keep our hands off their body, but then THEY demand the right to TAKE another human life at will. That has to be about the most hypocritical, selfish, inhuman attitude I've seen on here in a while. Sad. Very sad.

Trying to cloak cold-blooded murder under the guise of economics and personal freedom is idiocy. That's not democracy or human decency, it's more akin to Nazism. The thoughts of some people betray a great hole in their conscience and heart. Sad.

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Insider Information 02/11/11 - 03:05 pm
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These arguments remind me of

These arguments remind me of Jonathan Swift's Modest Proposal. Let's eat our own children.

Let's justify murdering children to save ourselves. Let's play God and choose who lives and who dies. Let's not call them "babies," but instead use sterile language like "fetuses" to delude yourselves.

Murder is murder no matter who you're killing, whether the person is black or white, old or young, rich or poor.

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InChristLove 02/11/11 - 03:16 pm
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So name not important,

So name not important, murder, child abuse, and a number of other horrible things exist and have for many years so why don't we just make everything Legal? After all if I don't want my baby I can terminate it. What's the difference if I just smack it around a few times, heck even take it's life if after a few years I get tired of being a mother.

My God may not be your God but He's still God and your body stops being your business when you create another.

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Name Not Important 02/11/11 - 03:23 pm
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Your holier than thou

Your holier than thou pronouncements are nonsense, and will hold absolutely no sway with those of us who are pro-choice until you put your money where your mouth is. When you pro-lifers actually attempt to support all of the unwanted children who are already born, then perhaps I will listen to you. And for all of the men on this board who say that it is the responsibility of women to keep their legs closed, I say where is your responsibility? Did you never try to con a girl into doing something she didn't want to do? Really??? You were all sainted teenagers who would never consider that?

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howcanweknow 02/11/11 - 03:30 pm
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Revealing language again, Not

Revealing language again, Not Important. It's not about life or others. It's all about money and convenience for you, isn't it? Again, just sad.

No one is "holier than thou". Sounds like you're feeling a little guilty for your stance? Well, you should. Like all liberals, when you can't defend your position, you simply resort to name calling and insults. Again, this just further illustrates that you have no leg to stand upon -- other than your support of murder.

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onlysane1left 02/11/11 - 03:50 pm
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"If anything we need MORE

"If anything we need MORE abortions in this country. Unless all you fundamentalist Christians can show me how you're home is open to these unwanted children, your opinion is so much hot air, built upon a scenario that is about as likely to happen as all the irresponsible people of the world deciding to go buy a box of condoms and actually USE them."

Sanity is congatious! I am so tired of hearing about welfare mothers, yet no one wants to tend to these children. Everyone wants to stop murder of fetuses, but no one wants to take in the children, who grow up abused and neglicted, then it becomes OUR burden as taxpayers. People, you can't have it both ways, you can't complain about people have neglicted children on welfare, if you don't offer abortion, and you can't complain about your taxes, if there are an abundance of children in foster care, or mothers getting welfare, if you stop abortion.

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seenitB4 02/11/11 - 03:57 pm
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If we can make a person wear

If we can make a person wear a seat belt...(fined if they don't) we should be able to come up with a way to demand condom usage....so come up with some ideas & we can "nip"this problem in the bud (so to speak). All things are possible.....remember change we can believe in..lol

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howcanweknow 02/11/11 - 04:01 pm
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Again, it's all about money

Again, it's all about money and not life, isn't it? Are y'all listening to your own words? Is human life a commodity to be bought or sold? Are you demanding that we go back to the days of slavery where human beings were nothing more than tools on a trading block to be sold or killed by the highest bidder? Is that what you want?

There's no sanity here. Just a blatant disregard for human life and decency. That's all I'm reading from Not Important and Not Sane.

In terms of Christians, we do far more to help the helpless and neglected than any other group. I think you're just babbling on the same old liberal mantra that is devoid of any facts. That's your normal behavior, unfortunately.

It's not about the economy. At least onlysane admits that abortion is MURDER. Finally, a left-winger who gets the truth and admits it. Sad, though, that they insist on trying to justify murder anyway. Talk about lunacy....

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InChristLove 02/11/11 - 04:15 pm
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Onlysane1left, so the only

Onlysane1left, so the only two options are either have everyone on welfare or have an abortion....where does responsibility come in to play here?

Name Not, I put my money where my mouth is every week when I donate to ministries that take care of the less fortunate....I don't just throw up my hands and murder them. In my opinion there would be less "unwanted" babies if the convenience of abortion wasn't available. We make it too easy for women to not be responsible by saying, oh well, if I get pregnant, so what, I'll just get an abortion. As for the men, yeah they should be responsible too, but a baby can't be created unless the woman says yes (except in the case of rape). She can nip it in the bud....all the whining from the man doesn't create a child and if the woman is "conned" she's responsible for that life.

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howcanweknow 02/11/11 - 04:53 pm
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Lack of personal

Lack of personal accountability and refusing to take responsibility for your actions are among the biggest plagues on 21st-century society. It's one thing to refuse to work and demand the gov't take care of you; but, it's even worse when you create a life, but then decide that you'll kill it simply out of convenience.

We're all pro-choice. You have a choice to get pregnant or not, regardless of how much a man complains or whines. But, once that choice is made, it's no longer a choice -- it's a child. No amount of silly words can justify the fact -- blatant fact -- that you have a human life growing inside you, and that abortion will kill that life.

Shouldn't that human life have the same choice to live as you do? Is your convenience more important than the existence of another person? I thought slavery was dead. Apparently not.

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Dan at The Scott Daily Post 02/11/11 - 04:51 pm
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Destroy the life of a child

Destroy the life of a child to improve our economy? Revealing language indeed...

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Techfan 02/11/11 - 05:08 pm
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Outlaw IUDs?

Outlaw IUDs?

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Insider Information 02/11/11 - 05:25 pm
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"Unwanted" child? No such

"Unwanted" child? No such thing.

Hating children is no better, no worse than hating minorities or hating Jews or hating anyone for the sake of being who they are.

Can you honestly look at a sonogram and kill the baby you see?

Would you kill your son or your daughter for the "right" price?

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emergencyfan 02/11/11 - 05:25 pm
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Just curious how many people

Just curious how many people who post have adopted a child? And I don't mean a pretty blue-eyed blonde baby. I mean a baby from a crack-addited mother, an abandoned downs syndrome child, a 10-year-old who has severe emotional behavioral problems, a 7 year old whose mother forced her into prostitution? I hear a lot of talk, but seldom see any action.

Until every child is wanted, abortion should be a choice. Better a child in heaven than one forced to live in hell on earth.

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burninater 02/11/11 - 05:48 pm
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"Let's justify murdering

"Let's justify murdering children to save ourselves. Let's play God and choose who lives and who dies. Let's not call them "babies," but instead use sterile language like "fetuses" to delude yourselves."

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This bill won't resolve that dilemma -- pre-heartbeat fetuses will still be classified as fetuses.

If the fetus designation is removed, then as techfan pointed out, IUD's will need to be outlawed. Additionally, fertility treatments will need to be outlawed, as they create unused children in the form of fertilized eggs.

Amniocentesis and CVS increase the risk of miscarriage -- will doctors be able to continue to prescribe these procedures if they can potentially be charged with involuntary manslaughter?

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JM88 02/11/11 - 06:50 pm
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Personal responsibility in

Personal responsibility in this country is dead, as Name Not Important and emergencyfan so clearly illustrate. I should be allowed to kill my baby, and if you disagree, then you should have to take care of it. That type of mentality, right there, is why we're in so much trouble as a nation.

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Fiat_Lux 02/11/11 - 07:01 pm
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Name Not Important had

Name Not Important had advanced some of the most shallow, egocentric arguments for killing unborn children I've ever read. People can't control themselves, therefore they should be able to kill the other people that they create when they were unable to control their own behavior.

That makes about as much sense as giving alcoholics a pass when they kill someone with their car while driving drunk. After all, they can't control their behavior; they're alcoholics after all.

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Fiat_Lux 02/11/11 - 07:06 pm
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We have allowed unborn babies

We have allowed unborn babies to be killed because we can't see them and they don't tug at the more stoney heartstrings the way babies do. We also kill them because they are as completely defenseless as they are inconvenient to some people.

The poor also are very inconvenient and relatively defenseless. The elderly are becoming ever more numerous, and clearly, they also are defenseless, non-productive consumers of the majority of the health care dollars.

Are the poor and the elderly next on your list of disposable humans?

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Fiat_Lux 02/11/11 - 07:19 pm
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And "Name Not...", just whom

And "Name Not...", just whom do you think does the most to help families that need help to take care of their children, children who otherwise would have been aborted? It sure ain't people like you. It's Christians who run the food bank and Goodwill and the Salvation Army and food pantries and all the non-government social services and assistance programs in this area.

And just because you don't personally know people who have adopted children from the state adoption agencies--you know, the ones that nobody wants like the bi-racial children, the older children, the disabled children and the sibling groups--doesn't mean that they aren't being adopted, and by mainly Christian families. But then, I'm guessing those are the kind people you hang around with. I'll bet your crowd is a whole lot more cool and hip.

Maybe you could spend some time growing a heart.

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corgimom 02/11/11 - 07:13 pm
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Michael Ryan, what are your

Michael Ryan, what are your thoughts about the estimated 500,000 children in the US that are eligible for adoption, but nobody wants them?

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Fiat_Lux 02/11/11 - 07:21 pm
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Well, Corgi, should we take

Well, Corgi, should we take them out an kill them to rectify the mistake of not having killed them before they were born? Somehow, I think they'd rather live, even given their lamentable circumstances.

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