Dreams a matter of interpretation

It was wrong and hurtful for Democrats to bring the Dream Act to a vote

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The media are predictably characterizing the failure of the "Dream Act" as a Republican blow to illegal immigrant students' dream for citizenship -- notwithstanding the fact that five Senate Democrats also voted to block the bill.

But the real blow to the students came from liberal Democrats -- who, knowing full well that it wouldn't pass, called the bill up for a vote anyway. All they did, in a cynical political ploy to look good for Hispanics, was raise, then dash, hopes for the bill.

Such a major piece of legislation had no business being dealt with in a lame-duck session anyway -- particularly this one, involving so many members of Congress who, on Nov. 2, were summarily fired by voters.

Of course, one reason the Democratic leadership pushed the bill in the frantic days of the lame-duck session is that they realize the more it simmers the less likely it is to pass.

And for good reason: It's back-door amnesty; it would lead to in-state tuition for illegals, when legal students from other states can't get that deal; and it's completely unfair to those in other countries seeking to come here legally -- and waiting years, if not lifetimes, for their "dreams" -- and not jumping in line or over the border to fulfill them.

What's to stop any illegal alien, for example, from avoiding deportation under the Dream Act by simply -- and suddenly -- becoming a student?

At bottom, it's wrong to give illegal immigrants the impression, as does this bill and other Democratic pandering, that they have some kind of legal, civil or moral right to U.S. citizenship and even discounted college tuition. And how unfair would it be to those still waiting to come here legally?

People who live by the rules have dreams too.

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usapatriot
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usapatriot 12/21/10 - 03:31 am
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I'm going thru the

I'm going thru the citizenship process with my wife. It's expensive. It's time consuming. Many other law abidiing citizens are doing the same for their familiy members. Why should those here illegally be rewarded for their ILLEGAL STATUS? Why should they be shuffled to the front of the line AND promised entitlements?

Wake up folks. This isn't about compassion. Compassion would be about cutting the $2-3k we law abiding citizens pay to do the process lawfully. This is a total vote buying scheme by the liberals. Liberals who need to keep the "down trodden, down trodden". My wife sees thru these citizenship schemes. It doesn't take an interpreter.

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Riverman1 12/21/10 - 06:14 am
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Those aliens who have the

Those aliens who have the main American dream should get in immediately. If you dream you are sitting in class nude and trying to make like there's nothing wrong while everyone laughs at you, you should be granted instant citizenship. That's the predominant American dream.

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carcraft 12/21/10 - 06:27 am
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I, as a US tax payer, help

I, as a US tax payer, help fund Universities in other staes, yet my children can't go there on in state tuition. Let an illegal alien run across the boarder, enroll his kid in a US school and they get in state tuition? California is bankrupt and spending billions educating, providiing medical care and other services to illegal aliens. Maybe if California could bill Mexico for taking care of Mexico's citizens this non sense would stop. Also do away with the law to allow the children of slaves born after the Civil War in the US US citizenship and a lot of this would go away in about 90 years...

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Runner46 12/21/10 - 07:52 am
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All illegal aliens need to

All illegal aliens need to follow what a previous poster, USPATRIOT, is doing. Take your pleas to the liberal immigration courts. Freedom is not free. If you have the money for college, then you must certainly have the money to pay an attorney to get right with the law. And, if you have been in this country for some time, you must certainly have the money to pay an attorney to get right with the law. There is absolutely no excuse for crying and whining about being an illegal. Get legal or get out!

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paul v balducci 12/21/10 - 09:05 am
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Guess what millions of

Guess what millions of illegal aliens are doing today? Getting out of bed and going to work. How is this possible when unemployment is so high and jobs are so hard to find? They are doing jobs many Americans don't want to do. I would stop giving anecdotal evidence of U.S. employers having difficulty finding employees if they would stop coming to my door looking for a way to legalize their employees. When job applicants tell a potential employer they would like to start their new job after their unemployment benefits run out that's a pretty good indication of how soft we've become. Back door amnesty proposals is what you get when you have a million illegal alien kids with U.S. high school diplomas and no country to go back to because they were raised in the U.S. Another unintended consequence of 20 years of not enforcing our immigration laws. The illegal aliens in this country cannot "get legal" because the system will not allow it and the illegal aliens will not self-deport because we continue to employ them. So we can proudly not give in to any amnesty and still reap the benefits of illegal alien labor.

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southernguy08 12/21/10 - 09:12 am
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Democrats trying to make

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Democrats trying to make names for themselves by making Republicans look mean? No...say it ain't so! What else is new, AC? They don't give a RA about the well being of the country, just getting re-elected. Sure didn't work this year, eh?

fd1962
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fd1962 12/21/10 - 09:20 am
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Oh sure, blame the Democrats

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Oh sure, blame the Democrats for this. Blame the illegals for this mess. What tripe. In reality, adequate laws have existed for decades to solve any of these 'threats.' What is missing is the will, or even an inclination, to enforce perfectly sufficient laws that exist. Aren't those willfully failing to enforce these mandated laws just as culpable as those alleged to be breaking them? How is selective enforcement or non-enforcement of a law any different than not having a law in the first place?

fd1962
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fd1962 12/21/10 - 09:38 am
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And I suppose your esteemed

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And I suppose your esteemed conservative savior McCain flopped like a jumping bean on immigrant issues solely on behalf of the country's well-being? Right, getting re-elected had nothing to do with it. Another simpleton analogy, southernguy.

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dashiel 12/21/10 - 10:06 am
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I think a few thousand

I think a few thousand hardworking young college graduates who agree to serve this country in return for HAVING a country is not a bad exchange for them or us. Also, there's very little lame about this "lame duck" session apart from lamebrains like Senator Weathervane McCain.

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Jon Lester 12/21/10 - 10:15 am
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It's not hard to guess what

It's not hard to guess what kind of society you AC editors dream of seeing restored.

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TheFederalist 12/21/10 - 10:32 am
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Wow, the liberal vitriol is

Wow, the liberal vitriol is dripping today, like poison off the fangs of a viper. I guess the slaughter in the streets, the insane addictions, the laughable and dismal failure of our educational system, the overburdened prison system, and the enormous drain on our collective balance sheet is not enough eh? No, you liberals would still love to grant citizenship to everyone that can draw a breath and sneak across our borders. Newsflash, the American dream is not all that any more, mostly due to an unprecedented flood of illegal aliens into our country, that has watered down the very essence of what it means to be an American. Never has the right to become an American been sold so cheaply, nor been devalued so much, as the continued liberal assault on what once was very much prized by the rest of the world. Now, it is nothing more than something to be haggled over, debated, analyzed, and tossed around to make points with the liberal partisan base, so they can say at least we tried, see? Darth Reid is beneath contempt, and as pathetic a human being as I have ever seen, and worse, he has no shame. Ironic, isn't it, that when a liberal changes his mind about something, it is no big whoop, but when a conservative does likewise, then he is damned forever as weak. Thank God for American heroes like John McCain, who laid his life on the line for our country, and paid the price in a hellish jungle prison in Vietnam. There was a time when men like him were revered, no matter which side of the political spectrum you hailed from, but no more. Respect, admiration, courage, these are now just words in a crossword puzzle. How about you that have the gall to criticize John McCain, actually do something constructive for our country besides typing your continual liberal gibberish bashing anything and everything that doesn't quack like you do, and all the while thinking yourselves to be so very witty and clever? Fat chance eh?

fd1962
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fd1962 12/21/10 - 11:23 am
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It's always such comfort to

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It's always such comfort to have the blameless hypocritical conservative vitriol expressed so elegantly at least. Perhaps you can generate some eletronic tears. Remind us again, Federalist, exactly how much the conservatives have so skillfully constructed in the last decade(s) of opportunity to forestall the 'grant of citizenship to everyone that can draw a breath and sneak across our borders.' Aren't we all proud of the useless 'fence' that looks great on TV, but ends a few hundred feet beyond cities' limits and out of cameras' ranges? Yes, you are full of solutions too... As far as criticizing McCain goes, no one discounts reverence for his sacrifices - that is a disingenuous accusation. He certainly does not expect slavish tokenism to his views simply as a result of his travails. After all, it was HIS personal choice to subject those views to the 'political spectrum' in the first place. If he can change his positions so frequently and pragmatically, those views were hardly forged in his 'hellish jungle prison,' as he would be the first to admit.

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justthefacts 12/21/10 - 11:27 am
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Ha, I'd pay admission to see

Ha, I'd pay admission to see one of these libs call Sen McCain "Weathervane McCain" face to face in a back alley somewhere. Of course that wouldn't happen.

fd1962
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fd1962 12/21/10 - 12:01 pm
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So retro, justthefacts. A

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So retro, justthefacts. A paintball or laser-tag duel would be a more contemporary solution. Pay-per-view?

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justthefacts 12/21/10 - 12:14 pm
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Naw, some things need to

Naw, some things need to remain "old school".

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dichotomy 12/21/10 - 12:34 pm
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This discussion is not about

This discussion is not about McCain. This discussion is about The Dream Act and amnesty for illegal aliens. Sooner or later we will have to deal with the status of illegal aliens and their children in this country. That solution will eventually include some form of amnesty or "path to citizenship". That is reality. For decades we have turned a blind eye to the throngs of illegals that crossed our borders for work as seasonal laborers and then went home, or stayed and lived on the fringe working as gardeners and maids. They did not demand welfare, free medical, dual language schools, etc. They came, the worked, and either went home or lived quietly on the fringe. The were and ,for the most part, still are hard working peaceful people. Those days are over. Yes, those folks are still there and still coming and going but we now also have drug trafficking, weapons trafficking, and gang and cartel warfare coming and going and sometimes staying. I strongly agree with Senator Lindsey Graham's position on this issue. Before we debate any kind of legislation to address the status of resident illegal aliens we MUST absolutely secure our borders from California to Texas (and with Canada too if that becomes a future problem). No useless cameras or 500 ft. fences. We need a full blown military operation using a lawful deployment of each state's national guard soldiers armed and equipped to engage any and all intruders. Any legislation approved before the borders are locked down will result in a flood of illegals trying to beat the cutoff. The borders must be locked down tight FIRST. Then we can proceed with a logical "path to citizenship" for those who have lived here for decades while working and contributing and also devise a system to sort out and deport, or jail the criminals and "I just came for the welfare and free medical" crowd. But the borders MUST be secured FIRST. Any form of amnesty and a taxpayer funded "path to citizenship" will be total chaos if our borders are not secured before we open up the goody bag of more free stuff. The liberals should be happy to agree to securing the borders and addressing the plight of those who are already in this country. The question is, are the liberals primarily concerned with helping the illegals who are already here, or is their primary focus on keeping our southern border wide open for more illegal immigration and forcing the taxpayers to support every immigrant from Mexico and South America who can manage to sneak across the border in the dead of night? The Republicans are willing to negotiate on the status of existing illegal aliens but they are not willing to approve an open ended "it's free if you can get here and we won't try to stop you" amnesty policy. Secure our borders and then we will talk about a "path to citizenship".

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onlysane1left 12/21/10 - 02:06 pm
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With the exception of the

With the exception of the native americans, we are all illegally here. Most Americans want to close the doors everytime a group of people come in that affect the culture. Since, it is now, not europeans, but other peoples from the americans coming, we must close the borders and save our way of life. That's horse crap. People want fences up Arizona, California, and New Mexico, but I rarely every hear of building a fence for Montana, Washington, North Dakota, etc. I guess its okay for Canadians to illegally come in but not Mexicans right.......

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onlysane1left 12/21/10 - 02:11 pm
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I am tired of hearing about

I am tired of hearing about illegals, when most people are really means, Latin American people. There are tons of illegals from other countries here, but there is little to no reference to them, only the hispanics one. Get over the racism and just say what you mean, instead of hiding behind the mask named illegals.........

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fd1962 12/21/10 - 02:26 pm
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Those are well-reasoned

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Those are well-reasoned points, dichotomy. Although most liberal minds may concentrate more on the benefits that immigration has contributed to this country's prosperity over the years than might more entrenched conservatives skeptical of evolutionary changes, I'm not certain that the dividing issue is one of closed versus open borders. It's not unreasonable to consider that just as many liberal-minded folk are strongly in favor of sensible border security that would subsequently allow the status of existing illegal aliens to be addressed meaningfully once accomplished. The universal agreement on the seriousness of these matters, however, does not justify the dedicated efforts by Chronicle staff and other 'more patriotic than thou' commentators here to endow this issue with their typical us vs. them, conservative vs. liberal mantras - our way, or not at all. Who can really be against a solution for all those dedicated to working and contributing, as are most, by far? Also, it's not realistic to remove discussing McCain from the equation either, as he has so closely identified himself with (all sides of) the issue, however he has seen fit to exploit opposing stances to his perceived political advantage from time to time.

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dani 12/21/10 - 02:51 pm
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As the illegals push more and

As the illegals push more and more of the minority and poor groups even lower, there will soon be no future left for them. Don't the Dems know they are hurting the very people who need help the most. Stop pushing Americans further down the ladder..they have already reached the bottom rung.

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Chillen 12/21/10 - 05:04 pm
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1. Put up the wall (will

1. Put up the wall (will stimulate the economy, hey its money better spent than spending on African men's genital washing programs)
2. Guard the wall 24/7. Shoot to kill violators.
3. Deport the illegals & all the illegal prisoners to free up our jails
4. Fine and/or jail those who hire them & rent to them
5. Fine and/or jail govt employees who give them ANY form of publicly funded benefit (including healthcare)
5. Cut off access to public schools
6. Provide bonuses to US citizens who rat out illegal aliens or businesses employing illegal aliens. $500 bonus for each one deported.

Problem solved in 6 months.

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Runner46 12/22/10 - 08:30 am
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Very good article, Chronicle

Very good article, Chronicle Editorial Staff Writer. The article tells the real story. The pandering-to-special-interest Democrats are only after sympathy voters. It's all an act on their part. Illegal alien children do not need a congressional amnesty. They have the opportunity to become legal residents through our liberal immigration courts. It only stands to reason that, if they have the money to attend college, they must also have the money to pay an attorney to petition our immigration courts. They do have a path to citizenship once they do the right things under our laws. An amnesty for illegal aliens has historically given incentive for more scofflaws to invade our country. Amnesties don't fix anything; they move the problem to another area. Illegal aliens need to follow our laws and quit whining to the Congress for special favors.

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Runner46 12/22/10 - 09:02 am
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To Onlysanoneleft- Persons

To Onlysanoneleft- Persons born in this country are native Americans by definition. This is OUR country, with it's laws and traditions. This country, the United States of America, was formulated by the native-born and newly arrived over many generations. By your viewpoint, no one can claim this land because everyone came from somewhere else if you go back far enough. Just where does one draw the line in time? In truth, the term "We are a nation of immigrants" is a politi-spin misnomer started by the NCLR (a major promoter for illegal Latino "rights") to promote special consideration for illegal Latinos. Do the research, and you will see the statement for what it is, propaganda. Most of us living today are native Americans, not immigrants!

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WW1949 12/22/10 - 09:37 am
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I do have sympathy for anyone

I do have sympathy for anyone trying to better their way of life but I do have a dislike for the fact that no federal or state income taxes are paid by illegals and our welfare crowd but they use our taxpayer funded services. I do respect the fact that a Mexican construction worker will do anything you ask him to do and will give you a full days work for a full days pay. Ask any legal worker on welfare to do that and they will not or may give you half a days work for a full days pay or maybe just not work at all.
Sad but true-If you don't believe me go thru any government housing project and try to get a crew of men to work that are receiving checks. It will not happen and if some will work they want cash so their check will not be compromised. Cut the checks, send the illegals now in jail back to their countries and make the legals work or starve.

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paul v balducci 12/22/10 - 11:30 am
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Runner 46, I am curious about

Runner 46, I am curious about "the opportunity to become legal residents through our liberal immigration courts". Which opportunity in the Immigration and Nationality Act could you possibly be referring to? An alien (even alien children) in immigration proceedings have to respond to the charges contained in the Notice To Appear in open court and the immigration judge cannot invent, create, or pull out of thin air any immigration benefit he can conjure. An immigration attorney may only file a petition to the immigration court if a benefit exists. Any petition without merit dies immediately and is not even granted a hearing. Your ignorance of our immigration laws and courts is typical of the rhetoric that is trumpeted as gospel. Our immigration courts deport people everyday, including minors. Take a field trip to 180 Spring St., SW, Atlanta, GA 30303 and call judges Cassidy, Houser, Pelletier, and Wilson liberal to their face. These judges apply the Immigration and Nationality Act as interpreted by the Board of Immigration Appeals and the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. I have no problem with those that rail against any amnesty but for the sake of intellectual honesty let's not pretend that illegal alien children, or any illegal alien, can fix his problem by hiring a lawyer to petition a court. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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MajorPaul 12/22/10 - 02:16 pm
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If the government really

If the government really wanted to do something about the illegals, they would. One of the big problems is many of our congresscritters hire them as domestics, and pay them slave wages.
If congress was serious about stopping illegal immigration, they would make it a felony to hire one. You get caught with an illegal on they pay roll, you go to jail for a year. That would stop the hiring issue.
I have no problem at all with those who come here legally. Yeah, it is a little expensive to become a citizen, but it is quite a bit more expensive to put yourself through college as an illegal alien. Do the math!
It is sad that kids sometimes get caught in the middle when their parents are here illegally. But look at it this way - if a family moved into my house illegally, and I caught them living there, it is not just the parents I would have removed.
We could also just mine the borders with those air dropped plastic land mines. That would solve a major part of the issue cheaply and solidly. That, and charge anyone who hires an illegal with a felony.

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afadel 12/22/10 - 03:24 pm
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What does the ACES have

What does the ACES have against these youth? Aren't they going to help our country get better? Let us allow these children and young adults to have a future.

The way undocumented workers are treated is a shame. There is no law enforcement solution to this. We need to raise working standards, especially in agriculture and food processing, to the point where employers don't seek to subcontract to people who trade in near-slave labor.

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