The real trap

Terror suspect wasn't tricked; if anything, he succumbed to hatred

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If authorities tricked you into buying stolen merchandise without knowing it, then arrested you for it, most folks might say you were set up.

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This image released Saturday by the Multnomah County, Ore., Sheriff’s Office shows Mohamed Osman Mohamud, 19. The FBI says Mohamud told two undercover agents in July of his dream of detonating a car bomb during the city of Portland’s Christmas celebration.

But if authorities pretended to help you with a plot to detonate a bomb in the middle of a town Christmas celebration, and you went along with it eagerly and knowingly, that's hardly being set up.

It's more like being exposed.

Yet, friends of Somalia-born 19-year-old Mohamed Osman Mohamud say he was tricked into accepting the help of undercover officers to detonate a bomb at the Portland, Ore., Christmas tree lighting ceremony last week.

"If you talk with someone enough, they'll be convinced they need to do something," a Muslim observer in Portland claimed.

What undiluted drivel. You can't be stung by a sting if you don't have your hand in the hive. No one is going to be fooled into going along with a bomb plot unless it's in his heart and mind to do so.

From what we know, it sure was in this guy's. He reportedly talked excitedly about killing people, even children. Authorities say he "chose at every step to continue" with the plan to kill masses of people -- and that it ended with him "feverishly" dialing a cell phone he thought would set off the bomb.

Yeah, he was set up, the poor baby.

Well, except that he told undercover agents he'd been wanting to participate in violent jihad since he was 15.

The FBI also alleges that Mohamed Osman Mohamud has written articles for the online al-Qaida-linked magazine Inspire that encourages jihad against the West. One article, written by Inspire editor and New York-raised Muslim Samir Khan, is titled, "I am proud to be a traitor to America."

Oops. Sounds like poor Mohamed might have fallen into another trap!

The truth is, once you cut through the cynical claptrap coming from defense attorneys and jihadist sympathizers, entities such as Inspire are targeting American Muslim youths for extremism and terrorism. Like radical remote madrassas -- Muslim schools that preach hatred of Jews and Christians and are essentially factories for radical clerics and terrorists -- they seek to brainwash the young in abject hatred of all things non-Muslim.

As the PBS show Frontline put it, these radical madrassas, especially in Pakistan and Afghanistan, are "not so much concerned about scholarship as making war on infidels."

Now they have the Internet to create a kind of online madrassa.

Thus, the real trap: hatred.

It is world-wise and worldwide, showing up now even at Christmas tree lighting festivals in America's Great Northwest.

Mohamed Osman Mohamud isn't being set up.

But maybe the rest of us are.

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wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 01:10 pm
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Rhetor,if the deity that you

Rhetor,if the deity that you worship instructed you to convert or enslave everyone that did not worship as you do,would you turn away from your diety and condemn your soul?

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 01:18 pm
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Rhetor,would you fly to yemen

Rhetor,would you fly to yemen with your muslim friends on a commercial airliner today?

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 12/01/10 - 01:22 pm
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Rhetor ... I agree that this

Rhetor ... I agree that this man deserves a fair hearing and then deal with according to our laws ... which is apparently exactly what is going to happen.

Those that are part of the leadership of terrorist organization and their foot soldiers should be treated as prisoner of war and detained until the war they started is over.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 01:23 pm
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Rhetor,If you will,i'll pay

Rhetor,If you will,i'll pay for the round trip tickets for you and your family-up to 5 tickets.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 01:37 pm
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Rhetor,will you and your

Rhetor,will you and your friends put up the bond for this guy and bring him into your home?

libertarianvoter
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libertarianvoter 12/01/10 - 01:49 pm
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Jane wrote, "Christianity

Jane wrote, "Christianity twisted to the cause of evil and Christianity using scare tactics to make people believe?? You have been listening to 'false teaching' or you cannot read with understanding."

I went to a Southern Baptist church all my life where they scared you into believing, and my mom is a Holy roller. If I do the smallest sin, she condemns me to hell. I'm not even going to get into the past and present of the Catholic Church and how corrupt they were/are. I know not all Christians do this (in fact I think God would rather you believe in Him b/c you loved him and appreciated him rather than be scared of him), but that goes back to Rhetor's point about there being a few bad apples that mess up the whole bunch. Not everyone in Islam is evil and not everyone in Christianity is a good person. STOP GENERALIZING.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/01/10 - 01:50 pm
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Many conservatives claim that

Many conservatives claim that Muslims are instructed to lie to non-Muslims. I am not aware of any proof for this bizarre accusation; indeed, the Koran opposes telling lies. Once again, I contend that you have received false information about a religion of which you have no actual understanding. A few grossly out-of-context quotes will not help your cause. You are making a false charge, indeed, a fabricated charge, against Muslims.

momster59
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momster59 12/01/10 - 01:56 pm
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wizzard states - "if the

wizzard states - "if the deity that you worship instructed you to convert or enslave everyone that did not worship as you do,would you turn away from your diety and condemn your soul?"

Yes I would. I will also turn away from the hatred and the baiting tactics you are using to incite fear and hatred for an entire class of people. Not only do I have a large number of Muslim friends, but grew up in an area with a dense Muslim population. I have read the Qur'an and the Bible and they both have passages that can be taken out of context to promote hatred, intolerance and violence against those of other beliefs. I have been to the Middle East and the people overall are loving, warm, generous and kind.

Moderate Muslims not only speak out against Islamic radicals, but are responsible for turning in several attempted terrorists. We do no hear of these people, because 1. as witnessed on this site, when they do try to speak with a voice of reason they are drowned out by hate filled people such as yourself, 2. doing the right thing does not get the press that doing evil does and 3. they are not seeking glory for themselves, but doing what is right in their hearts.

This article is about a young man who attempted a horrific act in the name of a cause he pursued, not unlike Timothy McVeigh, the unibomber, and the "christian" cell in Michigan who were stopped from killing innocent police to incite a "holy" war against the Muslim community.

Organized religion of any sort can be a very dangerous thing when people do not think for themselves, but listen to voices of hatred, prejudice and fear mongering.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/01/10 - 02:00 pm
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A few quotes from the KJV

A few quotes from the KJV Bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and [donkey]."
"And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Should I draw the conclusion that Christians are commanded to commit massacres? Of course not. I should draw the conclusion that the Bible should be read with due attention to context. So should the Koran.

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Chillen 12/01/10 - 02:24 pm
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Rhetor, get back to me the

Rhetor, get back to me the the next time a Christian terrorist does any of the below:

1. Hijacks 4 planes and kills all aboard & thousands of American's on the ground
2. Blows up innocent people with a car bomb
3. Shoots innocent people on an Army base
4. Shoots innocent people at an Army recriuiting station
5. Attempts to blow up innocent people on Times Square
6. Attempts to blow up a plane with a bomb in his underwear
7. Detonates bombs in subway stations
8. Attempts to bomb people at a Christmas Tree lighting
9. Blows up a U.S. or foreign Embassy
10. Detonates bombs & kills innocent people in hotels
11. Storms a hotel and shoots to kill everyone in sight

I guess I'll hear from you.....NEVER!

Now, you are welcome to get back to me whenever a muslim does any of the above or anything similar. I guess I'll be hearing from you......ALOT!

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 12/01/10 - 02:29 pm
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Rhetor - Your right these

Rhetor - Your right these scriptures are taken out of context, as I'm sure at least some in the Koran are. But that isn't the point. At the current time these and other similar statements from the Bible aren't being used to justify the killing of men, women and children. However, similar statement from the Koran are being used to justify killing not only Christians but even Muslims who don't agree with those that are using terror to gain their objective. Looking at it from the outside, the numbers of these radical Muslims seem to be high enough to make the rest of the Muslim world afraid. Otherwise the Muslim world would take care of the problem themselves.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 02:41 pm
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Rhetor,i'm on my way to the

Rhetor,i'm on my way to the airport. Would you meet me there and pick up your tickets to yemen? You will be leaving tomorrow morning.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 12/01/10 - 02:44 pm
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There will be 50 people at

There will be 50 people at the airport claiming they are Rhetor to get the tickets.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 02:49 pm
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I'm willing to risk it if

I'm willing to risk it if they are.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/01/10 - 02:50 pm
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Well, Chillen, are you old

Well, Chillen, are you old enough to remember the depradations of the IRA? Or, if not, perhaps you recall the killings during the Bosnian war, horrible massacres of indescribable brutality conducted against Muslims in the name of the Christian faith? Are you aware of the Lord's Liberation Army, which even today commits actions that make that monster Hitler look like a choir boy in comparison? Let us not be too quick to throw stones--just in case we are living in a glass house. Let us defend ourselves, yes, but let us not degenerate into hypocrisy or bigotry.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/01/10 - 02:52 pm
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I do condemn those of any

I do condemn those of any faith who use God as an excuse for brutality.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 02:54 pm
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Rhetor,then you will fly to

Rhetor,then you will fly to yemen on a commercial airliner?

Chillen
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Chillen 12/01/10 - 02:59 pm
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Rhetor. I would fly on a

Rhetor. I would fly on a commercial airline with 1000 unscreened Christians. I would not fly on a commercial airline with even ONE unscreened muslim. Just playing the Vegas odds.

momster59
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momster59 12/01/10 - 03:05 pm
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Wizzard - When are you going

Wizzard - When are you going to notice that no one is enticed by your fear mongering and baiting?

By the way, Yemen is the name of a country, it is spelled with a capitol Y. What you are implying by spelling it with a lower case y is the Turkish word that means "to ingest" or "to nibble". I'm assuming you are offering an invitation to fly to another country and not to dinner.

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ron_rlw 12/01/10 - 03:09 pm
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Rhetor - you picked

Rhetor - you picked interesting example of Christians killing, but missed the fact that they didn't claim to be killing in the name of God. The IRA was killing to fight off what they claim was an occupation force in their country. In the Bosnian War the massacres went both directions with two warring parties divided over not only religion, but national interest. Even the "Lord's Liberation Army" couldn't get much support outside their own country, their tactics were univerally condemn around the world from the main stream Christian groups. But the radical Muslims don't seem to have much trouble getting support anywhere in the world.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 03:10 pm
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O K Then,any place in

O K Then,any place in iran,iraq,or Yemen. And if it's iran,i'll buy you one too.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 12/01/10 - 03:22 pm
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Ron, all the above groups

Ron, all the above groups claimed God in their killing. Bosnia was Christians killing Muslims. And if you listen to what Muslim terrorists say, much of their argument is political and economic. Sorry to disappoint you. I just don't see much difference: evil is evil.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 12/01/10 - 03:28 pm
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Rhetor, even though you say

Rhetor, even though you say that you believe and are sure no muslim hates you,you won't fly into iran,iraq,or Yemen at this point? You totally trust your few muslim friends but won't put your life and family's life on just their word? How strange.

ron_rlw
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ron_rlw 12/01/10 - 03:33 pm
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Rhetor - no ... these groups

Rhetor - no ... these groups claim God is on their side, but don't claim God told them to go kill their enemy. The radical Muslim on the other hand are claiming their fighting a holy war inwhich they are fighting for their God. While you are right in that evil is evil ... only the radical Muslim have actually gained the respect of their main stream religion. The Christian groups that tend to use these types of tactic have being pushed to the fringe and isolated from the mainstream Christian religion.

Note that even you are attempting to justify the radical Muslim terrorist by attempting to show they are no worst that radical Chirstian terrorist. The fact is terrorist of any religion ... or no religion should be hunted down and destroyed, along with any group that supports their actions.

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Fiat_Lux 12/01/10 - 04:55 pm
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The biggest difference

The biggest difference between Islam and Christianity, apart from the method and means of salvation of course, is that it is a basic tenet of Christianity that God would have sent His only begotten Son to die for you even if you were the only person on Earth. Islam is very different on that little matter of the importance and value of the individual. Humans are like highly intelligent ants that have no intrinsic value apart from how they serve the nest, as decreed by Allah through his prophet, Mohamed, etc.

It makes it a little easier to understand why it might appeal to Americans born since 1973.

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 12/01/10 - 04:58 pm
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I have to say, that is one

I have to say, that is one snarly looking kid. If he were my 19-year-old, that smirk would have been slapped off his face before the shutter closed on the mugshot camera.

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justmy2cents 12/01/10 - 05:33 pm
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For anyone that is convinced

For anyone that is convinced Muslims are somehow different than 'Christians' I have two simple words:

1) Crusades
2) Inquisition

If you can explain those while maintaining that Christianity is somehow gentle & pure then I'd love to hear it.

momster59
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momster59 12/01/10 - 05:45 pm
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Justmy2cents - add to that

Justmy2cents - add to that list

3. manifest destiny
4. forced conversions of wiccans, druids, jews, native people of any invaded lands
5. Nazi annihilation of Jews
6. Ku klux klan

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dstewartsr 12/01/10 - 05:47 pm
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"If you can explain those

"If you can explain those (the crusades and inquisition) while maintaining that Christianity is somehow gentle & pure then I'd love to hear it."

I would love to explain it to you, but just the question as framed demonstrates an understanding of historical context with the depth of a coat of paint; you wouldn't understand.

momster59
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momster59 12/01/10 - 05:58 pm
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dstewart - the same political

dstewart - the same political and historical contexts apply to the motivation behind the leaders of these Muslim extremists today. This extremism is no more the true teachings of Islam any more than the Inquisition followed the true teachings of Christ. You must be looking through a very thick coat of paint yourself.

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