Is Islam Americaphobic?

After book-burning hysteria, let's turn the question around!

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In the Battle of the Crazies, Florida seems to have lost.

A lot of folks think Florida pastor Terry Jones is more than a little kooky. Yet, a Muslim imam was able to talk him off the ledge this week and convince him to back away from plans to burn Qurans today.

Well, he may be goofy, but at least he's rational.

Yet, just based on the potential for the burning, Muslims in Afghanistan were rioting and burning things and chanting anti-American slogans -- while U.S. troops risk their lives for Afghan freedom and stability.

The incongruity is telling.

Meanwhile, the "Ground Zero" mosque imam basically is extorting America, arguing that to move the mosque now would only inflame the Muslim world -- kind of like cartoons do -- and endanger American lives.

Essentially, that's a mafioso approach: You've got a nice country here, we'd hate to see something happen to it. We get our way, nobody gets hurt.

That's more offensive than burning any books.

And our president, who defended Muslims' rights to offend Americans with the Ground Zero mosque, but couldn't bring himself to talk about the "wisdom" of their doing so, doesn't hesitate to render his judgment on the wisdom of the American's book-burning plans. So Muslims plan a mosque that 70 percent of America opposes, and Mr. Obama can only focus on their right to build it; but an American wants to protest Islam, and Mr. Obama can only focus on its offensiveness.

Again, the incongruity is telling.

We wish the administration would oppose not just Americans' occasional intolerance, but the vastly more ubiquitous Muslim intolerance as well.

As for the New York imam, we would simply ask: If radical Islam is such a small faction, then why must America be so afraid of offending it?

Or are there more reactionary, intolerant Muslims than you're letting on?

A full nine years after radical Muslims killed thousands and terrorized millions in a brazen act of savage war, it's time for the Muslim world, radical or no, to grow up and stop taking high offense at the slightest grievance. And it's time they turned some of their heightened sensibilities on someone other than themselves.

America, the most tolerant, welcoming, sought-after country in history, is constantly chided for being intolerant. Time magazine asked if America is "Islamophobic." What a load of manure. When is the Muslim world going to show a little tolerance? In the wake of the nutty hysteria in Afghanistan, are the media going to pick apart every Muslim protest and riot and threat and murder of innocents looking for evidence of intolerance? Is the Afghan version of Time going to ask, "Is Islam Americaphobic?"

Don't hold your breath.

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areps2 09/11/10 - 02:01 am
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Thank you for speaking the

Thank you for speaking the truth. Bibles and flags are being burned all over the world but nobody seem to came. But, don't tick off the little bully in the corner with the bomb.

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wizzardx1 09/11/10 - 04:01 am
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I am still burning 237 korans

I am still burning 237 korans today.That is what happens to TRASH at my house.

orgpsych
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orgpsych 09/11/10 - 04:19 am
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This is apples and oranges.

This is apples and oranges. It is also another manufatcured crisis to scare the hell out of good white Americans for political gain.

Our laws are OUR laws, not other countries' laws. I read the accounts for rioting in Afghanistan and protests in Pakistan. Funny how I read nothing about such activities here in the US from all of those awful evil Muslims who reside here. Maybe that's because burning someone else's religious texts is protected here as a form of free speech that applies to all and they do, after all, live here. Maybe it's because our laws and customs don't apply to ther countries.

If your faith is so weak that it is threatened by the burning of your religious texts, then your faith is weak and, perhaps, should fall by the wayside. If you regard those religious texts as holy relics, then your faith is clearly not Christian.

The letters form words that convey a meaning. That meaning is the force behind faith. Burn the book and the message remains as strong as ever, if it is strong to begin with.

Stop looking for something to offend you.

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maggiemae 09/11/10 - 04:48 am
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But orgp.. The poor Muslims

But orgp.. The poor Muslims are offended. Offended! What to do???

"Yet, just based on the potential for the burning, Muslims in Afghanistan were rioting and burning things and chanting anti-American slogans -- "

The peace-loving Muslims, the tolerant Muslims? please Joe, say it ain't' so.

*Note:
POTENTIAL something which hasn't happened but is assumed to be possible.

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johnston.cliff 09/11/10 - 05:08 am
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As far as our president's

As far as our president's stand goes, just read "dreams of my father" and you'll understand how American exceptionalism offends baraque hussien obama more than anything else and how he will say and do anything to prove it doesn't exist. Promotion of the celebratory ground zero mosque is just part of his anti-American stance. His mantra remains "G..D... America"

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johnston.cliff 09/11/10 - 05:44 am
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Is Islam America phobic? Of

Is Islam America phobic? Of course. While some practicing Islamists aren't, the religion is.

orgpsych
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orgpsych 09/11/10 - 05:46 am
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Maggie, I don't mean to sound

Maggie,

I don't mean to sound insensitive but who cares? If someone WANTS to be offended they will be and there's nothing you can do about it.

If I do something that you find contrary to your sensibilities and are, therefore, offended, that may just be your problem. It takes all kinds to make this great country and the whole idea of "tolerance" is about accommodating those differing viewpoints.

On the other hand, if I go out of my way to do something to deliberately offend those sensibilities, You probably have a valid reason to be offended. What are you going to do about it?

Will you invade my back yard and seize my children's swing set? Will you block my driveway with your car? Will you intercept my mail to cause me inconvenience? Will you shoot my dog?

More important than this, though, is what do your actions say about you ... the strength of your moral character?

Pastor Jones wants to publicly burn copies of the Quran. He announces it to the media to make sure that everyone knows he will do this. There can be no doubt that he intended to offend.

Muslims in Afghanistan and other places protested and rioted. That's what they did in response but they did it there. What shall we do about their reaction? Shall we invade their country? (Oops! Already did that.)

What Afghans do there is their business. What happens here is ours. Rather than blast those who are offended by the actions of a "kooky" Christian pastor, why don't we look at why that "Christian" pastor wants to go out of his way to so blatantly offend anyone? Why not look at our reactions that appear, to all others, to be intentionally provocative?

Why don't we back up and make sure that our character, as demonstrated by our actions, is in line with our professed faith?

Besides, the Mosque near Groud Zero is a more pressing issue, I think. The Imam has an absolute legal right to build a mosque anywhere he wants in this country. That doesn't mean that is the right thing to do.

A meaningful dialogue about that would be more effective than bashing a people who live half way around the world because they are exercising their legal rights in their own country. That's just looking for something to be offended by and that speaks of poor character.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 09/11/10 - 06:03 am
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Excellent points, orgpsych.

Excellent points, orgpsych. ACES often calls on others to remain calm and to act rationally and responsibly, but ACES themselves continually stir the pot. They do this for partisan political gain. It took more than one Muslim imam to "talk Pastor Jones off the ledge". It took Gen. Petraeus, Secretary of Defense Gates, and President Obama in additional to one or more foreign dignitaries to get the good Reverend to suspend his book burning.

ACES, Afghans don't buy your claim that "U.S. troops risk their lives for Afghan freedom and stability." They see an occupation of their country by a foreign power that is hostile toward their religion. Afghans are fighting for territorial and religious reasons. That makes them a formidable enemy.

Roger Cohen had a well written piece in the NY Times yesterday on the rising levels of anger on all sides and the need to tread carefully. But Cohen failed to fully acknowledge U.S. wars and warmongering are hugely responsible for fear and rising anger. He doesn't denounce these wars beyond noting that they "deepened the trauma".

Ending United States' wars for hegemony in the Middle East and South Asia are the best and only effective measure to stem rising fear and anger.

This editorial is highly inflammatory. Painting Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam behind the Cordoba Project's plan to build an Islamic cultural center more than two block away from where the World Trade Towers stood, as a radical seeking to blackmail United States with threats of violence is absurd. ACES continually plays the fear Islam card.

ACES is playing with fire rather than acting responsibly. Why is it in conservatives interest to continually stir things up and foment hostility? The radical right is continually looking for scapegoats be they Democrats, President Obama himself, illegal aliens, or Muslims. An incontestable truth is that in the wake of 9/11 the United States overreacted, abandoned its ideals, engaged in torture, killed exponentially more innocent civilians than the 9/11 attacks, and began a series of wars that may rage for generations. Responsibility is not YOUR policy, ACES.

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NoCatchyName 09/11/10 - 05:59 am
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"... the Mosque near Groud

"... the Mosque near Groud Zero is a more pressing issue, I think. The Imam has an absolute legal right to build a mosque anywhere he wants in this country. That doesn't mean that is the right thing to do.

A meaningful dialogue about that would be more effective than bashing a people who live half way around the world because they are exercising their legal rights in their own country."

Agreed. Now try to get your President to open that meaningful dialog.

He is more than willing to use his Bully Pulpit to rail against the offensiveness of burning books, but not willing to do the same against the offensiveness of building a Muslim shrine at Ground Zero.

Go figure.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 06:32 am
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It's ridiculous that we

It's ridiculous that we should even THINK that we have to walk on eggshells or we may anger the terrorists who might attack us. That attitude is no different than blaming a woman for getting raped just because she dresses provocatively.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 06:33 am
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Funny you didn't hear the

Funny you didn't hear the President defend the pastor's right to burn the Quran, but we sure heard him defend the right to build a Mosque at ground zero........which is equally if not more offensive.

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 09/11/10 - 06:39 am
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"I am still burning 237

"I am still burning 237 korans today.That is what happens to TRASH at my house" (WizzardX1).

You're right that the Quran is trash. Question is, how did you get your 237 Qurans? If you bought them as Terry Jones probably got his, the publisher no doubt made enough money to print at least one Koran for every one you destroy.

In May 2009, our military confiscated and burned thousands of unsolicited Bibles published in the two most popular Afghani languages. Because those Bibles weren't paid for, the missionary organizations who had gone to the expense of printing them suffered financial loss.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 06:44 am
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Did Christians riot and

Did Christians riot and murder people when the Bibles were burned, FA? Was there even a threat that it might happen?

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 09/11/10 - 06:52 am
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"Yet, just based on the

"Yet, just based on the potential for the burning, Muslims in Afghanistan were rioting and burning things and chanting anti-American slogans -- while U.S. troops risk their lives for Afghan freedom and stability" (editorial).

Why are we over there? Why did we invade Iraq? Why are we contemplating an attack against Iran? My guess is that war is good business for the international banking community, which has been loaning us the money for our efforts. There's no sense to wasting U.S. lives and accumulating U.S. debt simply to set up a democracy for people whose religion opposes it.

Let's bring home our troops from the Middle East and from Germany and Japan while we're at it.

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Fundamental_Arminian 09/11/10 - 06:55 am
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"Did Christians riot and

"Did Christians riot and murder people when the Bibles were burned, FA? Was there even a threat that it might happen?" (Tigger_the_Tiger).

Not to my knowledge.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 06:56 am
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We invaded Iraq because our

We invaded Iraq because our intelligence said they had WMD's that they would use against us and their neighbors (and we found some, contrary to what the media and others lead you to believe), We are in Afghanistan to defeat Al Quada, and we are contemplating attacking Iran because they are building a nuclear weapon and have vowed to destroy Israel.

Just answering the question of "why."

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 06:56 am
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Would it be more wise to

Would it be more wise to simply let Iran nuke Israel?

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 09/11/10 - 07:08 am
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"We invaded Iraq because our

"We invaded Iraq because our intelligence said they had WMD's that they would use against us and their neighbors (and we found some, contrary to what the media and others lead you to believe)" (Tigger_the_Tiger).

Tigger, I'm willing to retract anything false I say. What documentation supports the claim about finding WMDs in Iraq?

"We are in Afghanistan to defeat Al Quada, and we are contemplating attacking Iran because they are building a nuclear weapon and have vowed to destroy Israel" (Tigger_the_Tiger).

Al Qaida isn't confined to Afghanistan. Are we going to chase them all over the world and yet not secure our own borders? If the need arises to neutralize Iran, it can be taken care of without troops, can't it? Besides, can't Israel nuke Iran?

"Just answering the question of 'why'" (Tigger_the_Tiger).

I appreciate it.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 07:13 am
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As Al Qaida is not confined

As Al Qaida is not confined to Afghanistan, the leadership is highly concentrated there. Would it be better to fight the leadership there, or should we spread across then entire globe.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 07:14 am
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Do you WANT Israel to nuke

Do you WANT Israel to nuke Iran, or would it be better to help them stop them before they have to?

Fundamental_Arminian
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Fundamental_Arminian 09/11/10 - 07:30 am
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"Do you WANT Israel to nuke

"Do you WANT Israel to nuke Iran, or would it be better to help them stop them before they have to?" (Tigger_the_Tiger).

Thanks for the links. I'll look further into them, then get back with you.

Although I don't want anyone to nuke anyone else, I dislike the costly pre-emptive tactics that are repeatedly promoted as supposedly the only way to solve problems. We can't afford to keep providing the world with a free police force. If our wars are as necessary as they're made out to be, why won't the international banks donate whatever money is necessary?

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TheFederalist 09/11/10 - 08:31 am
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Kudos ACES! One lone voice of

Kudos ACES! One lone voice of reason in an endless sea of liberal blather.

And so it goes. Islam, once again, gets a free pass, as instead of labeling Islam, not just the jihadists, as a violent religion, bent on world domination, and threatening and sometimes even brutally murdering anyone who dares speak out against their rhetoric; instead they once again are allowed to claim victim status. What utter nonsense!

When is the world going to realize that Islam is not actually a religion, as we have always come to think of religions. No, Islam is more of a good old traditional arab, "Mens Club", where men are allowed to rule and treat their family as slaves, and their wives and children are ever fearful of daring offend the despot that rules their houses. This so called religion is also geared towards only one ultimate goal. World domination.

One day, unless we get wise, the Islamic mafia will grow to a point where their, "muslim brotherhood", will be sending someone by to see you, to make you an offer you can't refuse. On that day, you will either have to stand for liberty, or from that point on, forever ensure that your wife never leaves the house without her burqa, forget about ever eating bacon again, and you darn well better have your prayer mats ready.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 09/11/10 - 08:45 am
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Fact: Muslims have complete

Fact: Muslims have complete freedom of religion in every non-Muslim country in the world. The Muslims are free to build their mosques, they are free to proselytize and promote their religion in every country in the world.

Fact: Unfortunately, non-Muslims are not free to practice their religion freely in any Muslim country in the world., non-Muslims are not allowed to proselytize and promote their religion. Non-Muslims cannot build their temples and churches in any Muslim country.

Fact: The fastest growing religion in the USA is Islam

It is no longer a matter of if, but just a question of when. How long will it take, before we become an Islamic country? Unless we stand up to Islam, and recognize it for what it really is, your children will someday be facing mecca, and on their faces to allah 5 times a day.

“And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world,”
[barack hussein obama]

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Riverman1 09/11/10 - 08:55 am
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I saw yesterday that they

I saw yesterday that they burned a Bible in Iraq. We need a response. I'm going to go down to a Greenjackets game, stand up and shout the following:

"I hope you kill every man, woman and child in Iraq, down to the lizards. And may George W. Bush drink the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq."

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ozarkalien 09/11/10 - 08:57 am
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World with no reglion =

World with no reglion = heaven

maggiemae
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maggiemae 09/11/10 - 09:02 am
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My vision of Heaven is

My vision of Heaven is different and so much better than this world.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 09/11/10 - 09:17 am
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Quite the oxymoron there,

Quite the oxymoron there, ozarkalien.

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carcraft 09/11/10 - 09:22 am
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Ozarkalien- We tried that, it

Ozarkalien- We tried that, it was called comunism, a minimum 50 million people killed millions more tortured maimed and imprisoned to enforce your heaven on earth-Oh well to each his own!

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