'An indecent proposal'

Approving a mosque near Ground Zero is the height of intolerance

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Supporters are calling a proposed mosque near Ground Zero in New York a victory for American democracy and religious tolerance.

That begs the question: To whom are we obligated to prove either our political or our religious tolerance?

And when is someone going to show tolerance toward us?

We'll put this country's religious tolerance up against anyone's, particularly those in the Arab and Muslim worlds. In Saudi Arabia, the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice makes sure Christianity isn't practiced publicly, and Bibles and other non-Muslim religious articles are banned. Non-Muslims can't even enter the cities of Mecca or Medina.

When you build a church or synagogue in Mecca, then come over here and preach to us about tolerance.

Moreover, you can bet the erection of a Muslim worship center just two blocks from where the Twin Towers once stood won't be seen as a gracious gesture of tolerance. It will be viewed by our enemy, radical Muslims, as a glorious shrine to the mass murderers of 9-11.

New York's approval of the mosque this week isn't tolerant; it's the height of intolerance toward Americans and all others whose relatives and friends were killed in the 2001 attacks.

It's an insult. The imam building it knows that, and is undeterred.

Of course, this same imam refuses to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, and regarding Islamic terrorism he can only manage that it's a "very complex question."

Not from where we sit. Choosing not to kill innocent civilians is a pretty simple matter. Call us sometime. We'll explain it in 25 words or less.

And while he finds the question of terrorism hopelessly nuanced, he's clear about this country -- whose policies, he said, "were an accessory to the crime that happened."

He speaks of 9-11 as if it were a burglary, and the "burglars" as if they had their reasons -- and the victims as if they participated in it.

The imam also, reports National Review , has associations with arms of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

Calling the mosque "an indecent proposal and an intentional provocation," the magazine writes, "We have thousands of mosques in the United States, and who knows how many Islamic cultural centers in New York City. We do not need this one, in this place, built by these people. We're all stocked up on Hamas apologists, thanks very much."

When asked if the president would intervene, spokesman Robert Gibbs said it was a "local matter" that the president wouldn't involve himself in. Local matter? Ground zero? Since when? And, oh by the way, as one commentator noted this week, being a local matter didn't stop the president from getting waist-deep in the controversy over the arrest of Henry Louis Gates by Cambridge police.

It's too bad a U.S. president named Barack Hussein Obama can't be more of an ambassador to the Muslim world -- one that would press our interests and concerns.

Tell them to build the mosque somewhere else, Mr. President.

If you're looking for a monument to religious tolerance, we already have one.

It's called the Constitution.

We'll put that up against anyone else's, too.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 09:48 am
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How do you know, Mr. Kebrat?

How do you know, Mr. Kebrat? You aren't allowed inside. You are simply making that assumption because you like the touchy feely way it sounds.

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 09:53 am
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What gets to be an

What gets to be an increasingly interesting legal question is if the intent of the Muslims groups in this country is to encourage the subjugation of women and hatred of gays, shouldn't they be classified officialy as unAmerican hate organizations like the KKK and other extremists?

Former Moslem Noni Darwish, who grew up in Gaza and Egypt, also addressed the rally. She said:

“We are threatened right here in America by mosques that are issuing fatwas against us…I understand the symbolism of a mosque…they’ve been built historically on the sites of Jewish temples, churches, Hindu temples — it’s a sign of being conquered. After they conquer a country, every church, every temple, must be converted to a mosque."

http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2010/06/stop-the-mosque-at-ground-zero-r...

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Junket831 08/07/10 - 09:50 am
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Excellent editorial ACES!

Excellent editorial ACES! Whether you agree or not it has spurred strong commentary which has actually resulted in unusually thoughtful dialogue from the online crowd. Christians and Jews beware, the Muslim's have one goal in mind and that is worldwide conversion of non-Muslims either by force or peaceful means. This is not a short term strategy, but a very long term multigenerational plan. Why is this a problem, try locating "moderate" Muslims in traditionally Muslim countries. Even Turkey is under threat and it has historically been very tolerant in modern times.

Unfortunately, our leaders have done a horrible job of establishing cultural norms regarding responsibility, shame, accountability, education, language, etc. The irony of all this is that Muslim leadership will be far less tolerant and accepting of what they consider deviant behavior. See how well the constitution holds up when their numbers are significant. Your great grandchildren will reap what you sow.

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FaceTheMusic 08/07/10 - 09:53 am
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AC Staff - It would save us

AC Staff - It would save us all a great deal of time if you would just provide us with a list of which phrases/clauses/sections of the 27 amendments to the U.S. Constitution you agree with. You are obviously "picking and choosing" these days to fit your political agenda. Not allowing this mosque to be built is such a blatant and obvious violation of the 1st amendment. To quote the 1st amendment in part: "The amendment prohibits the making of any law 'respecting an establishment of religion', impeding the free exercise of religion . . . ." Note especially those last six words! Note, also, that it doesn't say WHICH religion.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 09:56 am
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No one is saying they don't

No one is saying they don't have the legal right to do it....it doesn't make it the right thing to do. Would it be ok to open a KKK meeting hall on the site where MLK was killed?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 09:59 am
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And FaceTheMusic...you left

And FaceTheMusic...you left out the part of the amendment that says CONGRESS shall make no law. It doesn't prohibit a local or state government from doing the same.....read the 10th too.

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Chillen 08/07/10 - 10:03 am
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Food for thought: This is

Food for thought: This is the same religion of "peace" whose followers just murdered a medical team with Americans in it in Afghanistan because they "claimed" they were there on a Christian mission (not true).

Newsflash. They will NOT like us any more because we allow them to build their mosque, rather, it will empower them. It's just another victory for the religion of "peace".

I find it comical that the liberals are all in support of this because it is constitutional. Yet they are in direct opposition to the constitution when it is part of their wacky agenda.

I am opposed to the mosque because we are at war with radical islam and this mosque represents islam, including radical islam. This is just part of the war.

Did we allow Japanese to build temples in Pearl Harbor in 1947? Did we allow Nazi's to build a HQ building next to a jewish synagogue in 1947? No, we had more decency and compassion for our fellow man. In 2010 that has been thrown out the window in favor of political correctness. Liberals are so desparate for everyone in the world to like us and view us favorably that that will openly crap on American citizens.

This could have been stopped. NY had a chance to do it, they could have granted landmark status to the existing buildings. They chose islam instead. What a sign of the times.

Pull out your prayer mats, women - don your body covering garb, dust off your quran and get ready for the muslim takeover. We are one step closer.

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OJP 08/07/10 - 10:13 am
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Tigger - I don't recommend

Tigger - I don't recommend attacking others as constitutionally ignorant without knowing much about it yourself. Most of the Bill of Rights has long been held to restrict the States, including the First Amendment.

FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 08/07/10 - 10:16 am
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And Tigger - You must not

And Tigger - You must not have read the 10th amendment, or if if you did, you didn't understand it. It says in part: The Tenth Amendment specifies that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, . . . ." Since the power to assure religious freedom is delegated to the United States by the 1st amendment to the US Constitution and because that 1st amendment does not allow any law which "impedes the free exercise of religion," no state may pass a law which does. Federal law ALWAYS supersedes state law.

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Little Lamb 08/07/10 - 10:17 am
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I was getting ready to post

I was getting ready to post the same thing you said, Tigger. The U.S. Constitution originally was a document that listed things the Federal government could do and things the Federal government could not do. And the things that it failed to list were reserved to the people or the states. Sadly, no one pays attention to the Constitution any more. The federal government can do anything it wants to today. All the people can do is bend over.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 10:19 am
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Read the 10th.....CONGRESS

Read the 10th.....CONGRESS specifically does not have the power to establish religion.....therefore per the 10'th the state has that power.

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dichotomy 08/07/10 - 10:29 am
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It amazes me that the same

It amazes me that the same people who would argue vehemently against a individual, group, or organization flying the Confederate flag because in was symbolic of something that offends, even though it is perfectly legal to do so, would fail to understand the offensive symbology of having a mosque two blocks from ground zero. Yes, it is perfectly legal and it is their constitutional right to build it, but it is offensive to many and that offensiveness is much fresher than a Confederate flag being flown in rememberance of ancestors killed in a war. These same defenders would immediately question the motives of flying a Confederate flag but somehow do not have the guts to question the motives of the mosque builders in a place intended to offend. Yes, it is their right to build it. But it is completely stupid PR and it is offensive to many. But I will appreciate the support of these same "rights" defenders when I fly the Confederate battle flag, even though some might take offense. After all, it's only SYMBOLOGY and that doesn't count for anything in our progressive, tolerant society does it? I am sure you will be just as understanding and help me poo poo the protesters as being intolerant.

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Chillen 08/07/10 - 10:47 am
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dichotomy. Excellent points.

dichotomy. Excellent points. But the Confederate flag is not part of the PC agenda. As long as white Americans are the ones who want something it will be rejected and demonized. You must PAY for what your ancestors did almost 200 years ago.

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lsmith 08/07/10 - 10:43 am
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dichotocmy: As usual you hit
Unpublished

dichotocmy: As usual you hit it right on the button. Theres so much of that "two faced indignity". The Muslims have the right guaranteed by our constitution to do just about any offensive action they can dream up, but the good people of New York have it within their power to see this thing is never built and I hope they utilize every single legal tactic they possess to do it.
I do worry about the Musilim Obama using his strong union ties to limit the union's boycott of construction services. Expect many conference calls and Washington/chicago style arm twisting.
In the meantime, all these bleeding heart policitical correctness hound dogs can bale at the moon for all I care. If you can't walk the walk your talk is falling on my deaf ears.

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OJP 08/07/10 - 10:47 am
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Little Lamb - Subsequent

Little Lamb - Subsequent amendments change the Constitution (obviously) and trump earlier amendments (e.g., the 14th trump the 10th).

Legally, it is undeniable that the First Amendment applies to the states.

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montega12 08/07/10 - 10:47 am
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if all you have ever done is

if all you have ever done is live in little protected america and never been overseas africa middle east or anywhere else please dont tell someone who was born in mexico been to the middle east and africa please give it a rest momster bone up on the laws in islamic countries its not extremists that advocate these things its the LAW of islam....

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montega12 08/07/10 - 10:49 am
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and as for symbols almost

and as for symbols almost every slave ship flew the AMERICAN FLAG not the CONFEDERATE FLAG..a battle flag is just that a battle flag

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CobaltGeorge 08/07/10 - 10:58 am
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All comments on this issue

All comments on this issue was answered last night on FOX, a one hour program of "Honor Killing".

One's for the mosque = love that type of life.
One's against the mosque = would rather die than live that way.

Yea right - Constitution = Freedom

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afadel 08/07/10 - 11:00 am
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Looks like it's election

Looks like it's election season again. Willie Horton, gay marriage, and now Muslims taking over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPPxBrtrH1c

Southern Yankee
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Southern Yankee 08/07/10 - 06:19 pm
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This is an interesting topic

This is an interesting topic that the ACES chose to address, but considering the amount of passionate and intelligent debate that it has fostered it appears to be a great one.

As a born and bred New Yorker who now happily lives in the Augusta area I have taken a keen interest in this story as it has developed. I have listened and given pensive thought about all sides of the argument. I myself have wondered about the wisdom of the decision to build a Mosque so close to Ground Zero considering the amount of anger and controversy it is causing, and whether this will do more harm than good to the ‘perception’ of Muslims by Americans. Regardless of those thoughts I am reminded of one overriding fact; we are Americans.

As Americans we hold ourselves to a standard as laid forth by our constitution, and subsequently the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights which states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” I understand that this point in and of itself can be debated ‘ad nauseum’, as with any part of the Constitution and its amendments, but the fact remains that citizens of this country have a Constitutional right to practice the religion of their choosing within the boundaries of lawfulness.

I have been in the Army for a long time and was part of the invasion forces of Iraq back in 2003. At that time and since then I have been witness to horrors committed in “the name of Islam” that completely shocked and horrified me. Having very little knowledge of the religion I found myself disgusted by the violence and atrocities that appeared to not only be sanctioned, but encouraged by Islam.

Through circumstance I eventually found myself working side by side with American Muslims. I asked hard questions and they gave me honest answers. They were not only appalled by what was occurring “in the name of Islam” but were more angered by it than any ‘red-blooded God fearing’ American that I knew. The typical response I received when asking about these ‘terrorists’ was “They are not Muslims, they are terrorists and animals.” They understood above all else that the actions of these ‘few’ had possibly caused irreparable damage to the American perception of their religion.

I began to understand that it was not the religion, or even a majority of those who believed in the religion, but the ‘extremists’. Each religion has its violent extremists, whether it is the Christian bomber of Centennial Olympic Park and abortion clinics Eric Rudolph, or Yigal Amir the Orthodox Jew who assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. To punish the majority for the wrongs of the minority is ludicrous.

So I ask that each of you take pause and please think of these things. The individuals who are building this Mosque are not doing anything illegal by doing so; they are within their Constitutional rights. The people attending this Mosque will be children, families, women, visitors, foreigners, and Americans. There will always be the possibility of violent and extreme people attempting to use it also, but the same can be said for just about any religion and any place of worship. Passion about a topic or opinion is fantastic and can lead to debates that are truly insightful, but please don’t allow it cloud reason and understanding.

Just think of what it would be like for you and your family to live fearfully in a country that viewed your religion with suspicion and contempt. The first settlers of our country did, and that is why we now have America.

(edited to correct grammatical and spelling errors)

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OJP 08/07/10 - 11:02 am
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Little Lamb - And I'd like to

Little Lamb - And I'd like to point out that the States would be free to ban gun ownership were it not for the recent incorporation of the Second Amendment by the Supreme Court.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:03 am
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Southern Yankee.....would you

Southern Yankee.....would you be ok with building a KKK meeting hall on the site of MLK's assassination?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:05 am
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OJP.....The first amendment

OJP.....The first amendment states that CONGRESS shall pass no laws....... The second amendment states SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. READ the whole thing next time.

OJP
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OJP 08/07/10 - 11:12 am
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Tigger - Nope, not how it

Tigger - Nope, not how it works (or how it has been interpreted by the Supreme Court since the Founding). Little Lamb is correct that the Bill of Rights originally limited only the federal government; however, subsequent amendments changed that.

Southern Yankee
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Southern Yankee 08/07/10 - 11:12 am
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Tigger....The Lorraine Motel

Tigger....The Lorraine Motel is now the sight of the National Civil Rights Museum so it would not be possible to build "on the site," and for that matter a KKK meeting hall is not a constitutionally protected place of worship. However, if local laws, government, and ordinances allowed it, and the private property transaction could survive the protests of the population then so be it.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:15 am
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Since the founding huh? I

Since the founding huh? I guess you didn't know that several states have had established religions, even after the sighning of the constitution. So I guess that IS how it works. It works by reading the words of The Constitution, NOT how you WANT it to read.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:16 am
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So you would be ok if the

So you would be ok if the Mosque DOESN'T survive the protests of the population?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:17 am
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Name the amendment that

Name the amendment that nullifies the 10th amendment and explain how it does so.....good luck.

OJP
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OJP 08/07/10 - 11:23 am
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Tigger - States could have

Tigger - States could have arguably establish religions based on exactly what I'm talking about. Until the passage of the 14th Amendment (that's the one you requested I cite), the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government.

Google "Incorporation Doctrine".

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 11:26 am
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Explain how the 14't

Explain how the 14't nullifies the 10th.

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