'An indecent proposal'

Approving a mosque near Ground Zero is the height of intolerance

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Supporters are calling a proposed mosque near Ground Zero in New York a victory for American democracy and religious tolerance.

That begs the question: To whom are we obligated to prove either our political or our religious tolerance?

And when is someone going to show tolerance toward us?

We'll put this country's religious tolerance up against anyone's, particularly those in the Arab and Muslim worlds. In Saudi Arabia, the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice makes sure Christianity isn't practiced publicly, and Bibles and other non-Muslim religious articles are banned. Non-Muslims can't even enter the cities of Mecca or Medina.

When you build a church or synagogue in Mecca, then come over here and preach to us about tolerance.

Moreover, you can bet the erection of a Muslim worship center just two blocks from where the Twin Towers once stood won't be seen as a gracious gesture of tolerance. It will be viewed by our enemy, radical Muslims, as a glorious shrine to the mass murderers of 9-11.

New York's approval of the mosque this week isn't tolerant; it's the height of intolerance toward Americans and all others whose relatives and friends were killed in the 2001 attacks.

It's an insult. The imam building it knows that, and is undeterred.

Of course, this same imam refuses to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, and regarding Islamic terrorism he can only manage that it's a "very complex question."

Not from where we sit. Choosing not to kill innocent civilians is a pretty simple matter. Call us sometime. We'll explain it in 25 words or less.

And while he finds the question of terrorism hopelessly nuanced, he's clear about this country -- whose policies, he said, "were an accessory to the crime that happened."

He speaks of 9-11 as if it were a burglary, and the "burglars" as if they had their reasons -- and the victims as if they participated in it.

The imam also, reports National Review , has associations with arms of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

Calling the mosque "an indecent proposal and an intentional provocation," the magazine writes, "We have thousands of mosques in the United States, and who knows how many Islamic cultural centers in New York City. We do not need this one, in this place, built by these people. We're all stocked up on Hamas apologists, thanks very much."

When asked if the president would intervene, spokesman Robert Gibbs said it was a "local matter" that the president wouldn't involve himself in. Local matter? Ground zero? Since when? And, oh by the way, as one commentator noted this week, being a local matter didn't stop the president from getting waist-deep in the controversy over the arrest of Henry Louis Gates by Cambridge police.

It's too bad a U.S. president named Barack Hussein Obama can't be more of an ambassador to the Muslim world -- one that would press our interests and concerns.

Tell them to build the mosque somewhere else, Mr. President.

If you're looking for a monument to religious tolerance, we already have one.

It's called the Constitution.

We'll put that up against anyone else's, too.

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Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 08:04 am
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Riverman....most liberals do,

Riverman....most liberals do, but the liberal you mentioned praises anything that is anti American or anti Christian. Remember he hates everything about the very country that gives him the right to express that hatred, and is willing to do NOTHING to defend it.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 08:05 am
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No Tech...that's just the

No Tech...that's just the part that is under attack most often.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 08:14 am
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If you want to see some

If you want to see some tolerance, try to walk into a Mosque in UAE or another Muslim country if you are a christian. Better yet....try it if you are a Jew.

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curly123053 08/07/10 - 08:21 am
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These people who frequent

These people who frequent these mosques were in the streets celebrating as the World Trade Centers collapsed. It is sad that so many people REFUSE TO REMEMBER the news of 9-11-01. This mosque being bult in this location is a big SNUB to not just those the the Muslims murdered, but to the entire United States and the Muslims know this. They need to be encouraged or made to put this mosque somewhere else. Eventually they will be in that thing praising Allah for bringing down the WTC on that day in 9-11-01. To many blind people in this country and that will be the reason for our fall at the end.....Would we allow the Nazis to build a memorial to honor the Nazis anywhere in the US?.....How about building a memorial to honor the Japanese Imperial Forces of the World War? There is no way we would allow memorials erected to honor past enemies of the United States. The American people would not stand for it.......This is the very same thing. This shrine should not go where it is going. Take your blinders off America !!

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chascush 08/07/10 - 08:30 am
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It seems old JRHC always

It seems old JRHC always defends the Muslims no matter what they do. He can be silent for days and if any negative thing is said about the Muslims he is one of the first to defend them. Hopefully he was not one of those that were dancing after 9/11. But it does make one wonder.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 08:31 am
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In 1480, Isabella and

In 1480, Isabella and Ferdinand instituted the Inquisition in Spain.

"The Spanish Inquisition was started at the end of the fifteenth century in order to ensure that the populations of Aragon and Castile were loyal members of the Roman Catholic Church instead of being heretics. At that time large areas of Spain were still controlled by the Muslims based in Granada. Unlike the rulers of Aragon and Castile they had accepted religious diversity. There was also a very small Jewish minority disliked by the Roman Catholic Church within Spain."

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-objectives-behind-the-spanish-inquis...

From The Spanish Expulsion, 1492: "In the same month in which their Majesties [Ferdinand and Isabella] issued the edict that all Jews should be driven out of the kingdom and its territories..."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/expulsion.html

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 08:36 am
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Islamic Spain (711-1492)

Islamic Spain (711-1492)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain_1.shtml

"Islamic Spain was a multi-cultural mix of the people of three great monotheistic religions: Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

Although Christians and Jews lived under restrictions, for much of the time the three groups managed to get along together, and to some extent, to benefit from the presence of each other.

It brought a degree of civilisation to Europe that matched the heights of the Roman Empire and the Italian Renaissance."

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momster59 08/07/10 - 08:37 am
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Yes Tigger, the you have the

Yes Tigger, the you have the right to build your pork BBQ restaurant right next to a mosque, just as the Cordoba group has the right to build a mosque on land they own and the muslims in CC have the right to build theirs. They have the right not to patronize your business.

Riverman - you might be surprised just how well the Jewish and Muslim congregations get along in this community.

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Techfan 08/07/10 - 08:41 am
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Is 4 blocks far enough away.

Is 4 blocks far enough away. 6? When I first heard snippets of this story, 'the ground Zero mosque, I thought it was being built right on the site. Some quick research and found the true storym it's 2 blocks away. let's tear down all churches near the old Fedral building in Ok City, the Olympic park in Atlanta, and anywhere near where "Christian" fanatics and terrorists have commited their crimes. No, the AC and all the other righties would be screaming about the First Amendment. That's the problem with freedom, it has to apply to all, whether you agree with them or not. Otherwise it;s not really freedom.

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dashiel 08/07/10 - 08:43 am
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Isn't Cordoba code for a

Isn't Cordoba code for a rusted-out huppity?

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 08:49 am
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Cain, thanks for looking all

Cain, thanks for looking all that up...seriously. But don't you believe calling the place Cordoba was really meant to remind everyone of the Muslim conquest of Christian Spain?

Momster59, I just like to ask questions and point out things. SOME of it is tongue-in-cheek. Do you have any examples of Jews and Muslims getting along here? That would be interesting to read.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 08:51 am
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From The Cordoba Initiative

From The Cordoba Initiative website:

Our Mission

"Improving Muslim-West Relations"

Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, bringing back the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago.

Solving some of the most intractable conflicts in the world today requires innovative strategies for cross-cultural engagement. Cordoba Initiative tackles this mandate with forethought, expertise and the ability to leverage contacts in influential positions within the Muslim World and the West. Thinking outside the box about international and intercultural conflict resolution also means thinking introspectively about each side's place within its own historical narrative with a view to devising internally oriented solutions.

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/our-mission

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 08:55 am
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For your further edification,

For your further edification, Riverman1:

Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"The Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain, also known as the Golden Age of Arab (or Moorish) Rule in Iberia, refers to a period of history during the Muslim rule of the Iberian Peninsula (the former Roman and Visigothic Hispania) in which Jews were generally accepted in society and Jewish religious, cultural, and economic life blossomed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

Of course this was BEFORE the "Christians" Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the Moores from Spain and initiated the Spanish Inquisition.

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montega12 08/07/10 - 08:59 am
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americans are so fickle not

americans are so fickle not one of you would be saying this a week after 9 11 keep on watching jersy shore and american idol.....

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 09:03 am
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This interesting piece was in

This interesting piece was in yesterday's New York Times. Get ready for a new wave of young, informed, critical thinkers who are not automatic sycophants of American exceptionalist propaganda.

"More college students are choosing Arabic-speaking countries for study-abroad programs, to experience the Mideast beyond America’s viewpoints."

"For American Students, Life Lessons in the Mideast" by Jennifer Conlin | The New York Times | August 6, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/fashion/08Abroad.html?hp

(registration required but it is free)

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chascush 08/07/10 - 09:04 am
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While by law the terrorist

While by law the terrorist can build what is a spit in the face of America. It is very obvious why they want to build it there. All political figures should be condemning the building of it there. Bloomberg is a complete idiot and should be voted out. Where is Hussein on this issue? I pretty much know he’ll probably stop in for a word of prayer when he is in NY.

montega12
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montega12 08/07/10 - 09:12 am
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geez women continue to preach

geez women continue to preach tolerance for a religion that has zero tolerance for the rights of women

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 09:12 am
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For montega12: Violence

For montega12:

Violence Against Women is No Rationale for Military Violence by Kavita N. Ramdas, President and CEO, Global Fund for Women, Human Rights Advocate, Mom | The Huffington Post | August 5, 2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kavita-n-ramdas/violence-against-women-is_...

"...Aisha's suffering is not simply related to the Taliban. There are women in countries on every continent who have been beaten, sold, raped, and mutilated in the name of honor, religion, and tradition. Aisha's noseless face should not be used as a symbol of Taliban resurgence - instead it is the face of modern day patriarchy, which continues to dominate social and cultural systems in most parts of the world. It is deeply woven into the fabric of societies that extol violence and patriotism.

Aisha was brutally abused in 2003. U.S. soldiers were already in Afghanistan. Their presence did not prevent her abuse. Last year, the US government supported an initiative that tripled the number of soldiers in the army of the Democratic Republic of Congo to 60,000. Rapes of women tripled in the areas soldiers were deployed. There is an obvious connection between violence against women and militarization."

All 11 paragraphs of this short but excellent piece are worth reading. You may do so by clicking on the link above.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 09:19 am
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montega....you mean women

montega....you mean women like the one that just posted above me?

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momster59 08/07/10 - 09:19 am
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montega - I do not live in a

montega - I do not live in a society that takes away our freedoms, I live in the U.S.A, where my freedoms of choice, speech, and religious expression are guaranteed by the CONSTITUTION. There are many things people choose that I would rather they didn't, but I understand that when I begin to oppress their constitutional rights I open the door for my rights to be trampled also.

As for your remarks about the treatment of women in some radicalized countries, these are horrendous acts brought about by ignorant people. Radical islam is not true Islam any more than Jim Jones, David Koresh, or the KKK represent true Christianity. Heinous crimes are committed against women all over the world every day, even by "christians". Believe it or not there are Muslim groups who are fighting to end this suffering also.

It is hard to be insulted when you call my comments dumb considering some of the "facts" you post every day. READ your constitution, STUDY what's in it. If you don't, someone like you may attempt to deny you YOUR constitutional rights.

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30cal 08/07/10 - 09:21 am
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TIGGER ARE you looking for

TIGGER ARE you looking for partners in your BBQ STAND.
ARE all these people MUSLIMS or just STUPID. IT is not a religion.IT is a way of life and a form of government.Other hate groups have tried to build church's and been banned even raided and arrested by our government.
these are not peace loving people they maime and mutolate their own, even little girls. they preach all the time TO KILL Y O U .

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rmwhitley 08/07/10 - 09:25 am
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A lot of you "so-called"
Unpublished

A lot of you "so-called" Americans in the CSRA need to get your passport or use your passport and return to your "Fatherland", Medina or Mecca.You're beginning to wear out your welcome here.

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 09:26 am
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My view is that the Muslims

My view is that the Muslims have a legal (yes, constitutional) right to build there, but why do it when it angers so many New Yorkers? They are insensitive to keep this proposal going. But it will never be built because the construction workers will picket the site. So why keep this charade up?

I know there are many fine Muslims. I'm probably one of the few on the board who actually worked with them in their country when I was in the Army. I was greatly impressed by them. Before 9-11, I questioned many Israeli policies, but once we were attacked all that took a back seat to supporting our loyal ally in the region.

This issue is not about Muslims, but about the insensitivity being shown to New Yorkers...and, yes, that name which represents the conquest of a Christian country by Muslims is part of it.

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30cal 08/07/10 - 09:31 am
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IN the MUSLIM ISLAMIC world

IN the MUSLIM ISLAMIC world women are property like Dogs Pigs and Chickens,.They have no rights at all, only the rights their husband and HIS family say she has,Disrespect one of them and you will be beaten like a rabid dog.you talk to nor look at another man even passing by on the street,and when you do talk to a man you will always keep your head bowed . O'BOY let us bring it here I have got to see this in this country

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dani 08/07/10 - 09:36 am
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A mosque near ground zero

A mosque near ground zero will surely be used as a symbol of victory for terrorist organizations.
The Muslims have dozens of places of worship in New York, nobody cares. They have that right. It is the location that makes this building unacceptable.
Memories are short for those who have so much dislike for our country. I say, Shame on you for approving a mosque at that site.

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dani 08/07/10 - 09:39 am
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Riverman. What would stop

Riverman. What would stop them from using their own construction crews. Lots of Muslims living here.

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 09:39 am
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30cal, that's part of the

30cal, that's part of the problem with mosques in the U.S. They are more than religious worship places. They encourage Sharia Law and the subservience of women. They espouse politics and homegrown terrorists often come from these mosques. But probably half the members are undercover FBI agents after someone.

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 09:40 am
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Dani, the unions will picket

Dani, the unions will picket the site. They will not allow it.

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Mr.L.A.Kegbrat 08/07/10 - 09:42 am
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This editorial demonstrates

This editorial demonstrates hysterical bigotry.

Muslims aren't going to use it as a shrine to celebrate 9-11, as the Chronicle absurdly suggests.

I can't believe in this day and age that a newspaper can get away with publishing something so backwardly bigoted.

There's a strip joint near ground zero. Why aren't conservatives up in arms about that?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 09:48 am
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How do you know, Mr. Kebrat?

How do you know, Mr. Kebrat? You aren't allowed inside. You are simply making that assumption because you like the touchy feely way it sounds.

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