'An indecent proposal'

Approving a mosque near Ground Zero is the height of intolerance

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Supporters are calling a proposed mosque near Ground Zero in New York a victory for American democracy and religious tolerance.

That begs the question: To whom are we obligated to prove either our political or our religious tolerance?

And when is someone going to show tolerance toward us?

We'll put this country's religious tolerance up against anyone's, particularly those in the Arab and Muslim worlds. In Saudi Arabia, the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice makes sure Christianity isn't practiced publicly, and Bibles and other non-Muslim religious articles are banned. Non-Muslims can't even enter the cities of Mecca or Medina.

When you build a church or synagogue in Mecca, then come over here and preach to us about tolerance.

Moreover, you can bet the erection of a Muslim worship center just two blocks from where the Twin Towers once stood won't be seen as a gracious gesture of tolerance. It will be viewed by our enemy, radical Muslims, as a glorious shrine to the mass murderers of 9-11.

New York's approval of the mosque this week isn't tolerant; it's the height of intolerance toward Americans and all others whose relatives and friends were killed in the 2001 attacks.

It's an insult. The imam building it knows that, and is undeterred.

Of course, this same imam refuses to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, and regarding Islamic terrorism he can only manage that it's a "very complex question."

Not from where we sit. Choosing not to kill innocent civilians is a pretty simple matter. Call us sometime. We'll explain it in 25 words or less.

And while he finds the question of terrorism hopelessly nuanced, he's clear about this country -- whose policies, he said, "were an accessory to the crime that happened."

He speaks of 9-11 as if it were a burglary, and the "burglars" as if they had their reasons -- and the victims as if they participated in it.

The imam also, reports National Review , has associations with arms of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

Calling the mosque "an indecent proposal and an intentional provocation," the magazine writes, "We have thousands of mosques in the United States, and who knows how many Islamic cultural centers in New York City. We do not need this one, in this place, built by these people. We're all stocked up on Hamas apologists, thanks very much."

When asked if the president would intervene, spokesman Robert Gibbs said it was a "local matter" that the president wouldn't involve himself in. Local matter? Ground zero? Since when? And, oh by the way, as one commentator noted this week, being a local matter didn't stop the president from getting waist-deep in the controversy over the arrest of Henry Louis Gates by Cambridge police.

It's too bad a U.S. president named Barack Hussein Obama can't be more of an ambassador to the Muslim world -- one that would press our interests and concerns.

Tell them to build the mosque somewhere else, Mr. President.

If you're looking for a monument to religious tolerance, we already have one.

It's called the Constitution.

We'll put that up against anyone else's, too.

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grouse
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grouse 08/06/10 - 10:42 pm
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At first, I think this was
Unpublished

At first, I think this was one of those Letters to the Editors by one of the crazies and then I saw the byline. Let me beg a question to the editorial staff: Since when does America decide how to behave based on another country's behavior? It's one thing to talk about American ideals - another thing to live up to them even if one finds the application of those ideals distasteful. Yes, we have a document called the Constitution, and the First Amendment to that great piece of work calls for the government not to establish religion. It is a shame that The Chronicle doesn't realize that it's more than mere words written down many years ago, but a living document whose ideals have to be practiced if the words are to mean anything.

momster59
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momster59 08/06/10 - 10:55 pm
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Be very careful AC. When you

Be very careful AC. When you choose to restrict the religious freedoms and rights of the minority religion, remember it may someday be done to you. Bend the constitution to fit your agenda and deny the right to build a mosque (synagogue, temple, etc.) today, and in the future it may be used to prevent you from building your church.

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willie7 08/07/10 - 12:31 am
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Cant believe what I am
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Cant believe what I am reading. Mike, your editorials get worst.
The Chronicle defintely has becoma a fish wrapper.

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GGpap 08/07/10 - 01:25 am
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As much as I MUST AGREE with

As much as I MUST AGREE with the first 3 posters, I just can't find it in my heart to attempt to justify the building of a mosque anywhere within 2-3 miles from the center of the 9-11 tragedy.

Therefore, while the AC is as usual, WRONG, I'm must also agree with them this time. Read---tears in my eyes.

GGpap

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johnston.cliff 08/07/10 - 01:50 am
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It's not a matter of denying

It's not a matter of denying a mosque being built, but the location of the mosque. This one is being built to commemorate the destruction of the twin towers.
The city of New York bases all political decisions on money. This one is no different.

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OJP 08/07/10 - 01:56 am
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I agree that these editorials

I agree that these editorials just keep getting worse.

Since when are our standards determined by our enemies? This isn't a race to the bottom, as the ACES seems to think.

This is America. Build the damn mosque.

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sjgraci 08/07/10 - 02:13 am
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My God! chronicle your mind

My God! chronicle your mind is twisted. You are as fundamentally radical and intolerant as the religious nuts that flew planes into the ground, Pentagon, and WTC.

You actually have the audacity to equate the oppression of Saudi Arabia with the religious freedoms of the United States of America. You would deny the religion of others just as the islamic terrorists would. You are cut from the same cloth and sicken me as much as al qaeda does.

There is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. Why? Because of that pesky United States Constitution that you drag through the mud of your editorial. Instead, maybe for once you should practice what is written on it.

People of faith or none at all in this country have as much and every right to build a Mosque, Synagogue, Temple, or Shrine in that spot as they do a Christian Church. The United States Constitution says so.

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keysandlocks 08/07/10 - 03:06 am
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I wonder if all you folks

I wonder if all you folks would have had the same opinion on September 12th. You ought to close your eyes and remember those buildings falling, the film and pictures of some Muslims dancing in the streets and the tragedy of watching the rescue operations. You can bash the AC all you want, but you can't change the facts. A mosque where they want to build it is an insult to all those who perished and to the American people....and they know it!

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esmc68 08/07/10 - 04:50 am
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Newsflash.. barak is a

Newsflash.. barak is a muslim. Its sad when a reporter has to remind you that you are not a muslim. just watch and see for youself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18VOGykrgHo

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historicmustang 08/07/10 - 05:33 am
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Every state is different, and

Every state is different, and is presented with its own challenges and opportunities . If New York wants to be the center of terroristic activities then so be it......................that will delay it coming into our backyards a bit longer.

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Brad Owens 08/07/10 - 05:34 am
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To all the "Patriots" who are

To all the "Patriots" who are calling for this to be stopped I say, PLEASE READ THE 1st AMMENDMENT (look up the big words if you can't understand them).

I support religious freedoms of any type in MY United States of America.

This is not about terrorism, it is about OUR values and freedoms.

I went to Muslim lands to defend everyone's right to pray in whatever building they want. If we don't allow our own citizens to practice thier beliefs in complete FREEDOM then the terrorist win. That is what they want, for the US to be what they say we are.

Poor taste has NOTHING to do with it.

I disagree 100% with this op-ed and the idea that we should not live up to our own stated values until Mecca allows bikinis. This is America, why don't you all act like it.

Shameful,

Brad

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 06:31 am
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To answer your "begged"

To answer your "begged" question "To whom are we obligated to prove either our political or our religious tolerance?" - WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES TO LIVE UP TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEES AND TO OUR IDEALS!

Time to move on Michael Ryan. Double-entente intended. Maybe Phil Kent can help you with contacts.

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Grasshopper 08/07/10 - 06:29 am
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I agree Brad! However, I hope

I agree Brad! However, I hope the people of NYC stand up and block it from being built. I hope the unions refuse to offer labor, and the suppliers refuse to send materials. Our government may not have the choice, but the people of NY do have a right to protest and not allow the religious center to be erected.

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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 06:30 am
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First off, it will never be

First off, it will never be built. Construction workers in NYC will never work on it. Their unions have said as much. So all this is all an attempt to embarrass this country by some in the Muslim world. It's like saying, "So you believe in religious freedom, see what you get."

Locally, an Islamic Center is being constructed on Old Evans Rd. in Columbia County. How do y'all feel about that? It may be the tallest structure in Columbia County.

Grasshopper
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Grasshopper 08/07/10 - 06:34 am
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I am sure the muslem center

I am sure the muslem center in CC is not out of spite!

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 06:58 am
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Do y'all think the Chronicle

Do y'all think the Chronicle is the only conservative voice opposed to the NYC mosque? About every conservative commentator in all the media is slamming the idea hard. You guys need to get out more if you believe the Chronicle is going out on a limb alone here. Heh.

Like I said, its a moot point because the unions will refuse to build it and in NYC, the unions rule.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 06:54 am
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Grasshopper, the Columbia

Grasshopper, the Columbia County Islamic Center will be built not too far from the Jewish Recreation Area. Maybe we should set-up barricades between the two encampments and have deputies dressed up like Israeli commandos patrolling the area to prevent attacks. Can you imagine deputies rappelling out of pine trees on top of you?

We could bulldoze the trees and create Checkpoint Ron (our leader) for those wishing to move from one area to another. Maybe borrow a couple of tanks from the fort to make the border look secure.

But we will be able to get some great photos of Cynthia McKinney when she shows up at the Islamic Center with her entourage. I may open up a trinket shop nearby selling photos of her and various items for the tourists who want to see the mosque. It will be an attraction like the homemade UFO in Bowman, SC.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 06:54 am
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ACES is trying to make this

ACES is trying to make this another political wedge issue like it did with the court ruling against the ban on gay marriage in California. Mehdi Hasan writes in The Guardian: Cordoba House is not a mosque but a cultural centre, which will include a prayer area, sports facilities, theatre and restaurant. The aim of the project is to promote "integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion … a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a centre of learning, art and culture". Nor is it being built at Ground Zero. The proposed site is two blocks to the north.

Here is the website for The Cordoba Initiative:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/who_we_are.html

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 06:57 am
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" Cordoba House is not a

" Cordoba House is not a mosque but a cultural centre, which will include a prayer area, sports facilities, theatre and restaurant."

That kind of sounds like what they said about the Columbia County one. I bet they have a rubber stamp with that phrase they use as they build mosques all over the country.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 07:03 am
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Right, Riverman1, I heard

Right, Riverman1, I heard "conservative" commentator William Bennett and a featured guest "slam" the idea of an Islamic cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero in NY City. Bennett, the author of The Book of Virtues is a conservative who caters to the Christian right except when he is gambling in Atlantic City. The radical, authoritarian right in this country is using this issue for political purposes. Add the names of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich to the list of "conservative" demagogues.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 07:12 am
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The project to build an

The project to build an Islamic cultural center is called The Cordoba Initiative which takes its name for that place and that time when Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together in harmony or convivencia in medieval Spain.

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam Behind the 'Ground Zero Mosque' by Bobby Ghosh | TIME.com | 04 Aug 2010

http://forums.augusta.com/viewtopic.php?p=224817#224817

"And yet Park51's main movers, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan, are actually the kind of Muslim leaders right-wing commentators fantasize about: modernists and moderates who openly condemn the death cult of al-Qaeda and its adherents ...

The Kuwaiti-born Rauf, 52, is the imam of a mosque in New York City's Tribeca district, has written extensively on Islam and its place in modern society and often argues that American democracy is the embodiment of Islam's ideal society."

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shivas 08/07/10 - 07:09 am
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Can the AC just answer me

Can the AC just answer me under what constitutional right New York would have in rejecting this cultural center? None.. Only emotional arguments that are misdirected and propogandized. Has the AC no shame in playing this type of politics?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 07:10 am
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"The project to build an

"The project to build an Islamic cultural center is called The Cordoba Initiative which takes its name for that place and that time when Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together in harmony or convivencia in medieval Spain."

That was when the Muslims ruled Spain right? I wonder if there is another message in that name?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 08/07/10 - 07:15 am
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Yes, Riverman1, the Muslim

Yes, Riverman1, the Muslim Moores ruled peaceful Spain before Ferdinand and Isabella ran them out. The "Christian" Spanish Inquisition followed.

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Runner46 08/07/10 - 07:16 am
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Our enemies are using

Our enemies are using political jujitsu to beat us with our own ideals. If it were not so serious, I would be laughing all day. Where does our ideology end and practicality begin? Between the radical Muslims trying to physically destroy us from within and the Central and South Americans encouraging their poor to invade us with cheap labor, I don't know how much ideology this country can stand and still remain a country. When your the big guy on the block, you can afford to be generous. We are not so big anymore. This country does not exist in a vacuum. We cannot take on the rest of the world all by ourselves anymore. It's time we looked for practical solutions and put aside ideology to fix our problems.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 07:26 am
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Cain said, "Yes, Riverman1,

Cain said, "Yes, Riverman1, the Muslim Moores ruled peaceful Spain before Ferdinand and Isabella ran them out. The "Christian" Spanish Inquisition followed."

Ha...actually Cordoba was the Islamic seat of power in Spain after they defeated the Christians. But, more importantly, your history is wrong. The peaceful coexistence came after the reconquest by the Christians. Under Catholic rule Spain tolerated Muslims and Jews. The Spanish Inquistion came about 250 years later.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 07:29 am
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It's hilarious how the

It's hilarious how the comments criticizing the editorial went. First the editors were slammed for making such bold statements on their own, now they are slammed for following others' talking points.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 08/07/10 - 07:42 am
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I wonder what would happen if

I wonder what would happen if I wanted to build a BBQ restaurant right next to the mosque and call it "Muhammad's Old Fashioned Pork BBQ"? The first amendment gives me the right to do so.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 08/07/10 - 07:50 am
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Cain quoted Time here, ""And

Cain quoted Time here, ""And yet Park51's main movers, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan, are actually the kind of Muslim leaders right-wing commentators fantasize about: modernists and moderates who openly condemn the death cult of al-Qaeda and its adherents ..."

Right wing commentators fantasize about???? Don't liberals condemn the death cults of al-Qaeda, too?

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Techfan 08/07/10 - 07:52 am
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Evidently, judging by the

Evidently, judging by the recent editorials, the only part of the Constitution the AC likes is the second portion of the Second Amendment and the first part of the tenth.

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