On the 'up-and-up' side of things?

Laundry list of questions should be answered about bizarre primary win

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An unknown, unemployed, shy and retiring young Army veteran files for a major political office -- and without seemingly lifting a finger, unexpectedly beats a distinguished, experienced, hard-campaigning opponent. By a wide margin.

If it were a Hollywood script, he might be a hero, a common man of uncommon depth whom the masses have been eagerly waiting to support in a position of leadership.

South Carolina, alas, is on the other end of the continent from Hollywood, and its politics are never quite as inspiring as a movie.

Alvin M. Greene is that man described above, and despite being a bit camera shy and facing felony obscenity charges -- or maybe because of it -- he has become one of the more intriguing political figures of the year. To South Carolina's horror.

The reason: He somehow put together a $10,400 filing fee to run on the Democratic ticket for Republican Sen. Jim DeMint's U.S. Senate seat -- and, again, with nary a wave of his hand, trounced Democratic primary opponent Vic Rawl, a respected retired Guardsman, judge advocate, prosecutor and state legislator, winning 59 percent of the vote.

The Washington Post later wrote a head-scratcher after spending three hours with Greene. He's rambling and inarticulate, according to the article, and utterly ambiguous about his "involuntary" discharge from the military, his campaign and even how many fliers it produced.

"Asked how many fliers were printed," the Post writes, "he says 'hundreds,' then pauses. 'Maybe thousands. Hundreds. Maybe a hundred. I don't know exactly.' "

He is accused of showing pornography to a college coed and suggesting they go to her room. When he sees on the news that he hasn't yet been indicted, he asks, "Indicted? What does that mean?

"I'm on the not-guilty side of things," Greene tells the Post . "I have to be. I mean, I mean, I mean. I have no comment, I mean."

Meet the Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate from South Carolina.

Maybe. He's refused party calls to withdraw, but powerful U.S. Rep. Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., has called for an investigation of his candidacy. For once, we're with Clyburn. You have to wonder if Greene's candidacy is on the "up-and-up" side of things.

South Carolina's history suggests otherwise. A Republican political operative, Rod Shealy, once recruited an unemployed black fisherman, Benjamin Hunt, to run in a congressional race in 1990, allegedly to increase white conservative voter turnout. He was ultimately fined.

We need to get to the bottom of the Greene affair. On the heels of the national smear of gubernatorial candidate Nikki Haley, the state's politics look positively Third-World.

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grouse
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grouse 06/13/10 - 01:04 am
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Yep, I would agree here. One
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Yep, I would agree here. One has to wonder about the intelligence of some of the voters in South Carolina...but to play devil's advocate here, I don't understand how the charges against him rise to felony status. Seems to be overkill to me.

HTN007
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HTN007 06/13/10 - 02:28 am
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Welcome to the bananna

Welcome to the bananna republic of SC!

southernguy08
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southernguy08 06/13/10 - 06:21 am
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Well there you go. According
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Well there you go. According to RETIRED, it's all a Republican conspiracy. And you know, there was a second gunman on the grassy knoll. The Dem Party is going through more "change." It will be a lively time in November. I'm loving it.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 06/13/10 - 06:33 am
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Did Dems vote for this

Did Dems vote for this candidate?
Does Greene have the exact same qualification to hold office that Clyburn and our current president has?
With the big promotion on television and the internet about everything being green, maybe Greene was elected because of his name.
One of the drawbacks of having a poorly educated and easily tricked base is that it's ......well, you get the idea.
Why is Clyburn throwing a hissy? Can't he just offer Greene an alternate position to not run? If I'm not mistaken, this is done all of the time. Why all of the drama, especially in the case of this lost cause? DeMint is a shoo in.

Rhetor
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Rhetor 06/13/10 - 07:13 am
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1. This man's candidacy

1. This man's candidacy cannot be explained in a rational way. 2. Unfortunately, for local and state office, most people just vote on name recognition, and I guess that "Greene" sounds like a familiar name. All in all, however, this event is bizarre enough to take our minds off of SC's current governor and lieutenant governor, which, considering what they are like, says a lot.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 06/13/10 - 08:00 am
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Mr. Greene's intelligence is
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Mr. Greene's intelligence is right up there with Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Georgia) when he said he was worried that the marine buildup on Guam could possibly cause the island to capsize. And the libs call George Bush dumb.

NewHere
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NewHere 06/13/10 - 08:07 am
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Bush was not dumb, just not

Bush was not dumb, just not smart enough to be president.

chascush
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chascush 06/13/10 - 09:43 am
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99.5% of Clyburn’s supporters

99.5% of Clyburn’s supporters voted for Green. Green sounds like a typical Dumocrat to me.

chascush
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chascush 06/13/10 - 09:44 am
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NewHere, Bush was a lot

NewHere, Bush was a lot smarter than the idiot we have now.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 06/13/10 - 09:46 am
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Maybe Obama will offer him a

Maybe Obama will offer him a job to drop out.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 06/13/10 - 09:48 am
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If we didn't need to take

If we didn't need to take control of Senate so badly, I'd actually like to see him beat DeMint. Life is short and we need our laughs.

dichotomy
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dichotomy 06/13/10 - 10:00 am
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I don't know how he got the

I don't know how he got the money to file. Don't care, even if it did turn out to be a Republican prank. But this clearly demonstrates the mental capacity of the SC Democrat voters.

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 06/13/10 - 10:17 am
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Here's the link to the story

Here's the link to the story in Friday's edition of the Charleston Post and Courier. Brian Hicks has the best explanation of all, i.e., that voters in the Democratic primary thought the race was between Al Green and Lou Rawls. They were just voting for their favorite singer.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 06/13/10 - 10:30 am
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Well LITTLELAMB, I guess
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Well LITTLELAMB, I guess Greene winning shows Dem voters are a little informed, since Lou Rawls is dead. Notice I said little.

deportem
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deportem 06/13/10 - 11:41 am
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If Mr. Greene's campaign

If Mr. Greene's campaign donations are examined under a microscope, every politician should be subject to the same scrutiny!! Who wants to go first??

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 06/13/10 - 02:21 pm
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Is Mr Greene a member of some

Is Mr Greene a member of some particular ethnic group? This could explain his election.

GGpap
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GGpap 06/13/10 - 02:55 pm
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I see that blatant racism is

I see that blatant racism is alive and well yet today. GGpap

Little Lamb
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Little Lamb 06/13/10 - 02:57 pm
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I know this is an editorial,

I know this is an editorial, and it doesn't have to explain everything, but when I read:

An unknown, unemployed, shy and retiring young Army veteran files for a major political office -- and without seemingly lifting a finger, unexpectedly beats a distinguished, experienced, hard-campaigning opponent - - -

I had to ask myself, “How ‘hard’ did Rawl campaign? Where were his television ads? Where were his appearances on Austin Rhodes’ radio show (or Helen Blocker-Adams’ for that matter)? Where were his yard signs? Where were his mailings? Where were his robo-calls?” I think Mr. Rawl was just as much a phantom as was Mr. Greene.

curly123053
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curly123053 06/13/10 - 02:57 pm
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This shows what can happen

This shows what can happen when you go to the voting polls with your blinders on. You need to take the time to study more than just the skin color of your candidates. I am not surprised at all how this could happen. There are way to many sheep being mislead by their shepherds.

curly123053
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curly123053 06/13/10 - 02:59 pm
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Little Lamb, those ads would

Little Lamb, those ads would not have run here. This CD covered the low country coastal areas of SC for the most part.

stampman79
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stampman79 06/13/10 - 03:42 pm
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Why is anyone surprised here?

Why is anyone surprised here? Democrat voters continue to elect people like Laura Richardson, Maxine Waters, and Charles Rangel to Congress. Everyone of them has been accused of corruption, but you never hear Clyburn or David Axelrod question their fitness for office. The Democrat voters even gave Brian Lamont Doyle, a convicted felon, over 5,000 votes. If the Democrats and the media had done their jobs and found out something about Alvin Greene before the election, there wouldn't be any controversy now. Clyburn and the rest of the Democrat good old boys need to shut up and tell Vic Rawls to run as an independent.

Rolling Eyes
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Rolling Eyes 06/13/10 - 04:04 pm
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The democrats voted in a man

The democrats voted in a man with no qualifications (not even community organizing skills) and now have buyers remorse. It can't be THEIR fault that they chose poorly, it MUST be somebody elses fault. The only thing to do is to immediately point fingers at the republicans. THEY must be the ones who MADE the democrats go to the polls and vote for Greene .....

KSL
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KSL 06/13/10 - 04:17 pm
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Instead of being a Republican

Instead of being a Republican plant maybe he is a Democrat plant. DeMint is a strong candidate. Perhaps the Dem's are playing dirty tricks to try to besmirch Republicans prior to the General Election in Nov. I wouldn't put it past them.

KSL
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KSL 06/13/10 - 05:11 pm
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At any rate, it certainly

At any rate, it certainly proves ignorance or stupidity on behalf of voters in the Dem. primary.

SCEagle Eye
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SCEagle Eye 06/14/10 - 07:45 am
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The way to go in this

The way to go in this election is with Tom Clements, the Green Party candidate. He's on top of the issues and will take it to the DeMint, the candidate representing big corporations and who wants to make South Carolina a spent fuel dump and reprocessing site. . His website is functioning and evolving – clementsforsenate.com – and he has a facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tom-Clements-for-US-Senate/128952760459672

gijoe7898
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gijoe7898 06/16/10 - 03:38 am
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Let me put this in a light

Let me put this in a light many are thinking but won't say. A majority of the Dem primary voters were black. They couldn't have known Alvin Greene, he didn't campaign, didn't have yard signs, didn't have a website. If this election had been in Arizona and it was "Rodriguez" against Smith, guess who would have won?
I'll say it. Simply put, black voters recognized "Alvin Greene" as a black candidate and "Vic Rawl" as the white guy. And now the "party of inclusion", the Dems, want to disenfranchise a black man and force him from a contest where voters chose him. The rules were in place. He ran, the voters chose him. In typical Dem fashion, they're trying to sidestep voter wishes again. (See public opinion polls on Health Care) See, minorities can still be discriminated against, as long as it's the Dems doing it.

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