A solution -- but for what?

Order for troops to the southern border looks like a weak Band-Aid fix

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Is the president actually listening, or just trying to kill the noise?

President Obama has announced he will send an almost completely ineffective number of National Guard troops to the Southwest border in an attempt to pacify the pleas for action in Arizona and the United States. The orders do not yet specify which troops from which states will be sent, nor do they specify how our president believes that 1,200 troops on the border will create any solution when those closest to and most informed about the problem have clearly stated that the border needs 6,000 troops in order to begin cracking down on illegal immigration.

National Border Patrol Council President T. J. Bonner knows that this effort will provide little relief to the border violence. Bonner says we shouldn't be surprised if border violence continues as usual after the troops are deployed.

President Bush put forth a similarly ineffective plan, which actually prohibited Guardsmen from detaining illegal immigrants. Now, it looks like Obama is doing the same thing as Bush -- only this time, it's likely to be even less effective. He is calling for one-fifth of the number of troops, stretching them along 2,000 miles of border.

Bonner knows that this effort will do nothing, as do Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, and the state's two U.S. senators, John McCain and Jon Kyl. Repeatedly, they have maintained that this effort isn't enough. The troops will be stretched thinly, and while even a merely vigilant presence of border troops has a threatening effect on illegal immigrants and drug cartels on the border, there won't be enough intimidating presence to actuate this result.

It seems as though Obama is trying to eliminate the complaints about illegal immigrants rather than the illegals themselves. If the president was trying to provide a real solution, he would have listened to the people who know what the problem is and acted accordingly. Instead, he didn't even apprise McCain and Kyl about his National Guard decision Tuesday -- despite having met with them.

Georgia senators Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss on Wednesday signed on to an amendment that would provide the 6,000 Guardsmen needed.

Meanwhile, the president is cynically sticking a Band-Aid on border violence and illegal immigration, hoping to silence the cries of U.S. citizens.

All the while, Texas officials wait for an answer to a year-and-a-half-old request for federal border help in that state.

True, we have to start somewhere, and any step forward is helpful, but shouldn't the first step at least resemble a step in an effective, informed direction?

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Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 05/29/10 - 12:37 am
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At least Obama has

At least Obama has acknowledged the legal responsibility of the Federal Government to secure our borders even if it is a pitiful response to a desperate need--sort of like Obama's response to the continuing Oil Spill catastrophe in the Gulf--too little, too late.
And Obama certainly has done many of the same exact things that the Bush Administration was doing, which is odd, considering the fact that Obama was elected because everyone wanted a "change" from the way Bush did things. Obama even escalated the troop presence in Afghanistan. The "change" Obama has promised has just been more of the same old--same old, except he has managed to spend more money than Bush. Obama is pathetic!

Disclaimer: The only reason I object to Obama's policies is because there is a black man in the white house.

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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:36 am
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He's worse than pathetic.

He's worse than pathetic.

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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:48 am
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What is so amazing to me is

What is so amazing to me is that people like Obama, or half like Obama, have been duped into believing he cares about them. Obama cares about Obama. How do you trust someone who has allowed a half brother to live in a box and an illegal alien aunt to live in public housing? He was a US Senator, getting money from a ghost written book. He could have helped them. Check out the way he has treated family members who are an embarrassment to him. Then decide if you can trust him to care about you and your problems. While you are at it, don't forget the adage, actions speak louder than words. And realize that if you are not a political asset to Obama, you are a liability with no worth, even if you are a blood relative.

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 05/29/10 - 01:40 am
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If Obama treats his "family"

If Obama treats his "family" like the "abandoned poor," how do you think he is going to treat the "abandoned poor?" Obama is pathetic.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 05/29/10 - 04:01 am
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So, uncle hussein makes a

So, uncle hussein makes a lame attempt to silence his critics by sending a paltry, insufficient National Guard force that will be in administrative positions only. All so that he can go forward and say that he heard the Republican's cry for sealing the borders, and he did indeed do as they asked, and now he will want them to meet him halfway, and help him pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform, which as we all know is just another round of amnesty for illegals. He is making this lame gesture to deflect critics, instead of making a serious effort to seal the borders. I still maintain that until our soil is again soaked with innocent blood from terrorists who use the southern borders to cross into the USA, the borders will remain unsealed. Then the public outrage will be so great, that the National Security concerns will outweigh the rhetoric and the urgency of sealing the borders will finally transcend the leftist rhetoric.

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grouse 05/29/10 - 04:23 am
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The Chronicle would complain
Unpublished

The Chronicle would complain if he sent 50,000 troops to the border. The editorial is just another excuse for the ditto heads to "grouse" about The President and vent their catastrophic thinking and hysterical "predictions." Ho hum...

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 06:43 am
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Violence is down on the

Violence is down on the border. There is no crisis of "border violence". grouse is right. This non-issue is being used by right-wing media to generate hysteria among reactionary Americans who are susceptible to false propaganda and lack the will or ability to check the facts.

Check out the third characteristic of the 14 characteristics of fascism by Dr. Lawrence Britt:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

NewHere
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NewHere 05/29/10 - 07:17 am
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The aces staff is useless!

The aces staff is useless!

carcraft
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carcraft 05/29/10 - 07:56 am
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UH! JRHC The terrorist are

UH! JRHC The terrorist are sending spanish speaking operatives across the boarder so if violence is down letting a few hundred well trained terrorists in is OK? www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/26/terror-alert-mexican-border/

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 08:07 am
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Phoenix, Arizona is #2 for

Phoenix, Arizona is #2 for kidnappings in the WHOLE WORLD. I guess Cain doesn't think that kidnapping is a violent crime. He might feel differently if he was the one who was kidnapped.

B. Hussein is giving the 70-80% of Americans ,who are for the Arizona Law, "the finger". By doing that, he knows how they will eventually react when he attempts to ram "amnesty" down our throats.

The result-Vigilante groups will spring up on the Mexican Border to do the job the Feds have chosen not to do. Then, Martial Law will be declared, and the peoples' 2nd amendment rights will be taken away in the border states. Why? To allow free flow of drugs, explosives, terrorists, more illegal Aliens, etc.

B. Hussein is holding the rest of the troops in reserve to suppress any groups that might attempt to peacefully demonstrate prior to the 2010 elections. How would you like your Tea- One lump or two?

Ga Values
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Ga Values 05/29/10 - 08:29 am
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As we all know Saxby AMNESTY

As we all know Saxby AMNESTY Chambliss is a backer of AMNESTY, here he is with his friends, Boxer, Kennedy, Graham and Pelosi talking about his support of the Bush AMNESTY bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK5TprmkgRw&feature=related

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 08:31 am
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"Violence is not up on

"Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war" by Dennis Wagner | The Arizona Republic | May. 2, 2010

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/02/20100502arizona-border...

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 08:50 am
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"Border 'Mayhem'? An Illegal

"Border 'Mayhem'? An Illegal Immigration Fact Check Shows Violence Declining" By Devin Dwyer | ABC News | May 20, 2010

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/illegal-immigration-fact-check-mayhem-us-...

"ABC News Analysis of Crime, Crossing Data Finds Southern Border Under Control"

carcraft
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carcraft 05/29/10 - 09:17 am
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So Cain terrorists crossing

So Cain terrorists crossing the boarder is OK as long as total numbers are down?

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 09:50 am
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Cain, Don't bother to use the

Cain,
Don't bother to use the media reports as gospel. Many of these media outlets are owned by large corporations, and present the spin desired by their corporate masters. For instance, NBC and MSNBC are owned by GE (General Electric).
Even if violence (however defined) is down, "Illegal is Illegal", and Illegal Aliens, drug smugglers, terrorists, etc cannot be allowed to just walk into the US. If B. Hussein refuses to enforce the law, then he has failed to uphold the oath he took to "Defend ...against all enemies". He deserves to be impeached and removed from office.

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Riverman1 05/29/10 - 09:38 am
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That small number of troops

That small number of troops COULD be effective if they were told to perform as combat troops and stop infiltration at all costs.

When Bush sent the National Guard in they were told not to fire their weapons...if they had any. They performed construction and administrative jobs to free the Border Patrol to actively patrol. That's all this small number of troops will be doing.

Perplexing that we won't protect our borders.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 10:04 am
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Undocumented workers pick

Undocumented workers pick fruit, harvest vegetables, process chickens, landscape yards, pour cement, provide labor on construction projects, work in lumber yards, work in nurseries, and work in diaries. They do jobs that Americans will not do for the low wages. Undocumented workers do not raise the level of violent crime in any part of this country. Scapegoating on these hard working, vulnerable people is the worst kind of psychological displacement on the part bullying, arrogant, angry, American ideologues. Never mind the fact that ACES's alarm about "border violence" is unfounded. When given the facts that violence is down along the U.S.-Mexico border, xenophobic, law and order reactionaries use diversionary lies about terrorism in an effort to try to keep the fear factor working for them.

Cities with higher levels of immigration are actually safer places to live:

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/27/reading-ranting-and-arithmetic.html

Undocumented immigrants, according to FBI crime statistics, are much more likely to be victims of violent crime than perpetrators:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelimsem2009/index.html

And the incidence of crimes in Arizona, over the last two years, when a radical crime wave was supposed to be hitting the border, has declined. Declined!

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/05/28/immigration-makes-cities-safer-re...

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 10:16 am
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Cain, You are wasting your

Cain,
You are wasting your time. The majority of Americans want the borders sealed tight. What don't you understand?

This is not an academic debate.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 05/29/10 - 10:25 am
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So if they are undocumented

So if they are undocumented workers, they would become DOCUMENTED workers if that were the only way they could enter the U.S.

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 10:57 am
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Here are some "Undocumented"

Here are some "Undocumented" examples.
A Burglar is an "Undocumented Visitor" in your home.
A Drug Dealer is an "Undocumented Pharmacist".
A Meth Lab operator is an " Undocumented Drug Manufacturer"
A Terrorist IED Maker" is an "Undocumented Demolition Expert"
A Drug Smuggler is an "Undocumented Medication Supplier"and
An Undocumented Immigrant is an "Illegal Alien"

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 11:15 am
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It is impossible to

It is impossible to physically seal all U.S. borders. Beyond that it is impossible to detain, arrest, and deport every or even most undocumented aliens in this country. The only way to gain control over illegal immigration is to issue a blanket amnesty, vastly expand the guest worker program, and legislate immigration reform measures.

What is it about the preceding statement that incensed, law and order types don't get?

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 11:21 am
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It's impossible to seal the

It's impossible to seal the borders so we just let them cross in droves. Heck, just go down there and pick them up and transport them in.

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 11:27 am
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Cain, You are entitled to

Cain,
You are entitled to your opinion, but wait and see what happens in the 2010 Midterm elections. Any incumbent or candidate that holds your opinion will have a difficult, if not impossible chance of winning.

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 11:31 am
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I've got the perfect solution

I've got the perfect solution to our illegal immigrant problem. Turn all of them who are here wanting to stay into indentured servants and assign them. Those who are just here to make money and return to Mexico, deport them immediately.

While indentured, they perform work, learn and adopt American culture.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 05/29/10 - 11:54 am
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It is not practical or

It is not practical or desirable to detain and deport all those who are in this country without proper documentation. I gave the only tenable solution to undocumented immigration into this country. That is giving a blanket amnesty with a clear path to citizenship for those already here along with expanding the guest worker program and reform of immigration laws. KSL responded with two absurd comments. I do favor an eventual open border with Mexico, but the U.S. government is not throwing the doors open. People are dying the desert trying to get around barriers near populous areas. People who think that using the full might of the U.S. military to seal the border and using the full force of law enforcement personnel to hunt down and detain undocumented workers and their families in this country are the solutions to this issue are sadly mistaken economically, politically, and morally.

deportem
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deportem 05/29/10 - 12:07 pm
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Cain, Again, just your

Cain,
Again, just your opinion. However, 70-80% of American Citizens do not agree with you or the Anti- and Un-American president.
The Illegal Aliens in South Carolina cost the Legal Taxpayers 156 MILLION dollars in 2006 according to Aiken County Senator Shane Massey.
Here's another solution. Round up and send all 20-30 million Illegal Aliens to Afghanistan, give them bolt action rifles and 20 rounds of ammo. When the war is over, any that are left will be granted "Amnesty".

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:15 pm
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Cain, you assume they want

Cain, you assume they want citizenship and want to be Americans. We don't want them if they do not.

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:22 pm
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And also, Cain, just what

And also, Cain, just what would you do about the obscene numbers of Middle Easterners who are illegally entering our borders from the south?

I know. Nothing, because it's America's fault. So you feel safe down there where you live?

If I indeed made two absurd comments, how long will it take me to catch up to you?

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:25 pm
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The fault in your plan is

The fault in your plan is that they would only want citizenship to be legal and receive benefits. They really are not coming to America to be Americans. And when you have immigrants that don't want to be Americans, you have a country that will start to die.

KSL
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KSL 05/29/10 - 12:27 pm
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Sorry folks, he stepped on my

Sorry folks, he stepped on my last nerve.

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