Solving the immigration puzzle

Proposed law in Arizona is but one piece -- but it's vital

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It's almost a reflex for Americans to say, "Immigration is what made America great."

That's like saying "food does a body good." Well, yes, but not all kinds. And not in any amount. We just had a 20-something Augustan die recently from complications of obesity, after all.

No doubt, legal immigration is one of the greatest things about America. If you've never been to a naturalization ceremony, you really should attend one sometime. The earnestness, the excitement and the reverence for the momentous occasion are things you simply have to experience to believe.

That's not to say it's solemn. It's one of the most lighthearted ceremonies you'll ever see.

Maybe the only thing better than being born in America is making a conscious choice to become an American.

This is a nation of immigrants. Many of us have not-too-distant relatives who made the trip here after making the traumatic decision to leave their native country for a new life and new opportunities in this land of plenty and sweeping liberty. They struggled to learn the language -- and if unable or too intimidated to do so, they were certain to make their children learn it; they knew it was the only way to realize one's full potential.

They brought with them many traditions and much culture from their birthplace -- making America the richer for it. And because they were here legally, they had nothing to fear from celebrating their old-world culture openly. But they also reveled in being American. And most never had any intention of going back.

Newly minted immigrants have a way of respecting and loving this country that can shame some of us natives. From the Brazilian whose proud voice can be heard above all others during the Pledge of Allegiance, to the African whose children were already serving in our military before she took the oath of citizenship -- these are real examples we've witnessed -- it is, and should be, stirring to become an American.

But while they can take advantage of much of what America has to offer, illegal immigrants will never soak in the exhilaration of a naturalization ceremony. Because they live on the fringe of society, they may never fully grasp English, vote, embrace our customs or appreciate our heritage. To some, who come here primarily to work and send money back home, this may be more of a commute than anything.

They aren't just breaking the law; they're cheating themselves.

Which kind of immigration should we humanely encourage?

The fact is, by allowing -- and therefore encouraging -- rampant illegal immigration, we are discouraging the other. Why wait in line and get jumped over by someone else at the border?

Dangerous, constraining, stultifying and sadly devoid of many of the joys of assimilation into a new and vibrant culture, illegal immigration is more than corrosive to the host country and its laws; it's inhumane to the immigrant, particularly when compared to the joy of legal immigration.

Enforcing our laws and securing our borders -- as a bill in Arizona would have that state do, in the absence of a negligent federal government that is allowing people to die on the border -- is only one piece of the puzzle. But it's an essential piece.

Once that is achieved, we should expand legal immigration totals to meet the needs of our country -- and the beautiful aspirations of those truly seeking a new life here.

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FaceTheMusic
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FaceTheMusic 04/26/10 - 09:56 am
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deportem - You're right; you

deportem - You're right; you may be shot if you walk into Mexico. But where do you think the shooter will most likely have gotten the gun?

sjgraci
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sjgraci 04/26/10 - 09:57 am
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Show me your papers

Show me your papers chronicle.

Delawarebob
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Delawarebob 04/26/10 - 10:38 am
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Illegal aliens are destroying

Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and one would have to be almost blind not to see this. How much longer do we have to support these illegal aliens? How much longer do we have to school their illegal alien children? How much longer are we going to let them have our jobs? How much longer are we going to put up with all the crime, stolen identities, forged documents, fake green cards? How much longer are we going to allow these illegal aliens to send money out of this Country and bring our Country down? Oh, amnesty will correct all this. WRONG! Nothing will change except we wouldn't be able to call them illegal aliens any more. Let's get rid of these illegal aliens! Let's get them back to their own Country where they belong!

I'm from Delaware, and we are pressing to get the Oklahoma State Illegal Immigration Law, HB 1804, passed here in Delaware. Three years ago we had about 32,000 illegal aliens here. Today we have about 68,000 illegal aliens here. We have had it! We want our State back!

dani
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dani 04/26/10 - 10:54 am
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I think it's great that the

I think it's great that the unemployed are willing to share their welfare benefits with the illegals. Of course in the long run it will mean less for the legals, but that's fine. We love to share. :(

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 04/26/10 - 01:50 pm
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sjgraci,which laws are you in

sjgraci,which laws are you in favor of enforcing?facethemusic,they more than likely got them from the soviet union thru cuba.

bdittle
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bdittle 04/26/10 - 02:13 pm
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Why do conservatives state

Why do conservatives state that they are fighting to save us from socialism, but are embracing the police state that is now Arizona? I mean, the police now have the power to stop a person on the street and ask for ID papers... that does not outrage the libertarian in you?? Is fascism better than socialism? Or do conservatives fear illegals so much that they are willing to sellout their freedoms? It is just an odd and interesting stance.

lsmith
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lsmith 04/26/10 - 02:34 pm
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Every single country on this
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Every single country on this earth has firm policies on immigration and most all of them, (including Mexico) actively patrol their borders and punish and expel those who enter illegally. A country of immigrants or not, America simply must reinstate an orderly process to being allowed to live here. I do not blame Arizona for the steps they are taking and I applaud them for standing up while the Federal government has clearly stood down.
Perhaps the rankor over their state legislation will provoke a more responsible position by our government. Failing this, I think all states should quickly follow Arizona's lead.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 04/26/10 - 03:10 pm
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there is no fear,just

there is no fear,just disgust.they are showing this very minute that they have no respect for any of our laws.what does it mean when criminals can protest the laws they are breaking?once they are here illegally,everything they do afterward is breaking the law.from id theft to driving offenses,from tax evasion to recieving services fraudulently.id theft is the #1 crime in the U.S..who would need to steal i.d.s other than an illegal immigrant?

Nightwing
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Nightwing 04/26/10 - 03:14 pm
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We do not need new laws just

We do not need new laws just enforce the laws that are already on the books. If the Federal government does not act the State governemts will be forced to. Arizona is among the first.

Kapa18
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Kapa18 04/26/10 - 03:27 pm
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Southerns, let me helping you

Southerns, let me helping you with something. First illegal immigration has been going on for 50+ years and everybody knew about it. What United States greedy rancher or construction giant could resist the opportunity to get somebody to work for them for $5.00 and hour and room and board. Nobody you know. The problem wasn't letting them come in it getting them to go home. They won't, matter of fact no mater won't they go home, they started bringing people with them (a lots of people). The border states got themselves and us into this mess...now they mad. Oh, pooh...Think about it, do you every hear the US states that border on Canada complaining. Of course not, because they come over and go home. The border states exploited these people for their own personal gain, now they want the Fed's to fix it. You people are fickle...on one hand you say less government, but on the other hand, you say help us (them)...sit down and be quite. The only thing most of you all are qualified to run is a lawn mower...

Nightwing
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Nightwing 04/26/10 - 04:45 pm
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Perhaps us "gringo" need to

Perhaps us "gringo" need to go south of the border and start taking all qualified jobs and breaking Mexican laws, then plead for amnesty.

Nightwing
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Nightwing 04/26/10 - 04:47 pm
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When I was stationed in

When I was stationed in Germany I had to carry at all times my reason for being in the country. Documentation such as an military ID which authorized my stay in the country als when traveling I had to have a passport. I do not see the problem in showing documentation and proof of citizenship as long as it is done on an equal basis for all.

dani
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dani 04/26/10 - 04:57 pm
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Is there a country in this

Is there a country in this world which does not require proper ID. From my limited experience you are expected to show your papers upon request..

bdittle
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bdittle 04/26/10 - 05:21 pm
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dani, that is not true in the

dani, that is not true in the US (except AZ). The police cannot harass you for ID unless there is probable cause. You DO NOT have to show anyone id for no reason. When we do, that will be a scary day!

With all the hyperbole comparison of Obama to Hitler, the AZ law is straight out of the third reich book.

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KSL 04/26/10 - 06:21 pm
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I do believe that when we

I do believe that when we were traveling in Europe we had to have our passports and visas readily available to present. What truly amazes me isthat the very same liberals, excuse me progressives, who post here love the European model of universal health care, but think it's unthinkable for people to be asked for the identification.

On the one hand they claim the Constitution is a living document that has to be interpreted differently as conditions of life change. Well, conditions have changed and we are being invaded by people who are a tremendous drain on this country.

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corgimom 04/26/10 - 08:17 pm
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I was born in a foreign

I was born in a foreign country. I've lost track of the number of times that I've had to show both my birth certificate and my State Department papers.

Doesn't bother me a bit. Because I understand the reasons why.

Kapa18
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Kapa18 04/26/10 - 08:31 pm
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Everybody is catching it, but

Everybody is catching it, but we have to be honest for the cause for the problem we have...GREED!! I to have lived abroad, and they don't worry about people hiring people who are in their country illegally, because employers won't.....We will for money...So let's not blame this problem on the white house or congress...we can enact all the laws we want, until employers stop hiring, no law in the world will stop this problem...

Kapa18
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Kapa18 04/26/10 - 08:37 pm
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When we talk about states

When we talk about states have the right to regulate and control; to much Fed. Govt....this is an area that the States can "show me what they working with". Crack down on business' that hire people under the table and without proper documentation!! You tell me the states want to regulate Health Care for it's occupants, but they can't even control who works there. Tea Party folks, (and I don't mean this to be mean) take up this issue!! Go to your state represenatives, get them to collectively agree to document and only hire people who are in this country legally. They say there are 11 million (and probably more)...if 1/2 of those became documented, paid taxes, their employers paid payroll taxes on them, ect...we could eliminate the national debt in 5 years. There are some many things we can agree on, stop this foolishness of trying to challenge the Presidents citizenship, name calling and craziness. There is not boogie man in the white house, there are illegals working at Mickey D's.

WW1949
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WW1949 04/26/10 - 08:41 pm
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While I agree with the

While I agree with the removal of illegal ailens when was the last time you heard of a person on welfare giving up their check to go to work. That never happens. Then the Mexican worker comes in and the person on welfare starts fussing and saying they are taking our jobs. That is not true, you are giving them the jobs and they will produce more because they do not have that entitlement mentality. All entitlements need to be stopped and then there would be no need for the Mexican worker. Our labor force would be back. Right now try and find that person who would give up his check-You will not. I empathize with the person out of a job and I also see the trash man, yard man, construction company, farmer and landscapers point of view. They have to get the jobs done and the Mexicans are there to do it. Sad but true.

Kapa18
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Kapa18 04/26/10 - 08:51 pm
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Nightwing, they are here to

Nightwing, they are here to take in the sights, they work here. What Arizona did does solve the problem. They try to take away rights instead of punishing those who break the law first. They (Employers) make arrangments with trafficters to bring them here for their purposes. It's like ordering an hamburger to them...

orb
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orb 04/26/10 - 11:31 pm
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Has anyone noticed the

Has anyone noticed the contrast between the unruly mob demonstrating in Phoenix [which the news media other than Fox seem to ignore] contrasted with the orderly Tea Party rallies which the media attempts to portray as seditious.

Noticed an NBC reporter talking to a black man at a Tea Party rally trying to inject racism into the movement. He trumped and dumped her her, saying: "These are my people! They are Americans!"

mable8
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mable8 04/27/10 - 03:48 am
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Illegal immigration is not

Illegal immigration is not only a concern for the US, but European countries also have their problems with illegal immigrants. The difference between the US and the Europeans is that most do something about the problem--and our government does not because they are too busy being 'politically correct.'

Runner46
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Runner46 04/27/10 - 06:35 am
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There should be a moratorium

There should be a moratorium on any immigration until the illegal immigration problem is solved. We cannot control the present horde of illegals now. Most of them are the poor from Central and South America. They don't speak our common language, English. They cannot assimilate properly into our society. Until that gets fixed, we don't need any more immigrants.

orb
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orb 04/27/10 - 09:20 am
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Runner46 I agree that there

Runner46

I agree that there should be a moratorium on immigration until all the legal immigrants are assimilated. Illegal immigrants should be booted out and the borders sealed. A nation that cannot or will not control its borders will not long exist.

fd1962
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fd1962 04/27/10 - 09:55 am
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According to INS reports,
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According to INS reports, it's routine for illegals to pay 'cayotes' $3000 to $10,000 to smuggle their bodies across the border and onward to labor-starved cities. Imagine if the U.S. would simply 'sell' a Green Card at the border for $2500 to anyone who'd like to enter safely and work for one year, then re-new it yearly for $1000 just like for a driver's license? As evidence of legality, that would take the heat off both employers AND illegals, plus make a ton of money for the USA. Require minimum liability insurance per person, similar for automobiles, and watch the insurance companies and states enforce the green cards! An Employee Identification Number (EIN) could even be bar-coded by tattoo or a chip inserted under their skin at the border to ensure compliance, and even remote verification by micro-wave. A win-win for everybody.

orb
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orb 04/27/10 - 09:57 am
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Regarding the whining about

Regarding the whining about the Arizona law; no one who is in the country legally should object to showing such proof. Yet we see thousands of people rampaging through the streets in Phoenix. It would be appropriate for the police to ask "all who are disorderly" to show proof of their status. It might prove a bonanza.

Ayetidiosi
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Ayetidiosi 04/27/10 - 10:22 am
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According to INS reports,

According to INS reports, it's routine for illegals to pay 'cayotes' $3000 to $10,000 to smuggle their bodies across the border and onward to labor-starved cities. Imagine if the U.S. would simply 'sell' a Green Card at the border for $2500 to anyone who'd like to enter safely and work for one year, then re-new it yearly for $1000 just like for a driver's license? As evidence of legality, that would take the heat off both employers AND illegals, plus make a ton of money for the USA. Require minimum liability insurance per person, similar for automobiles, and watch the insurance companies and states enforce the green cards! An Employee Identification Number (EIN) could even be bar-coded by tattoo or a chip inserted under their skin at the border to ensure compliance, and even remote verification by micro-wave. A win-win for everybody.
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President Aye will nominate fd1962 for Homeland Security Chief, one of the few cabinet members which will exist after Pres Aye chops 85% of the Federal Government out of existence.(Nomination will be subject to intense vetting and due diligence, something unheard of in Washington DC today)
Great post, mi amigo.

    Aye wouldn't endorse the embedded chip idea. Too "Tribulationist" fo shizzle!

Ayetidiosi
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Ayetidiosi 04/27/10 - 10:31 am
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When we talk about states

When we talk about states have the right to regulate and control; to much Fed. Govt....this is an area that the States can "show me what they working with". Crack down on business' that hire people under the table and without proper documentation!! You tell me the states want to regulate Health Care for it's occupants, but they can't even control who works there. Tea Party folks, (and I don't mean this to be mean) take up this issue!! Go to your state represenatives, get them to collectively agree to document and only hire people who are in this country legally. They say there are 11 million (and probably more)...if 1/2 of those became documented, paid taxes, their employers paid payroll taxes on them, ect...we could eliminate the national debt in 5 years. There are some many things we can agree on
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FO SHIZZLE!

Runner46
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Runner46 04/27/10 - 03:39 pm
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Why do we need more

Why do we need more immigrants when so many of our countrymen are out of work? No more immigrants are needed at this time. Maybe later, but not now.

deportem
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deportem 04/27/10 - 03:49 pm
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If congress and Obama try to

If congress and Obama try to ram amnesty for 20-30 million Illegal Aliens down our throats, I fear that they will be in for a big surprise. Not all Americans will stand by and just let this happen without protesting loudly. So far, I have only seen pictures of Illegal Aliens and their supporters demonstrating, but just wait!
The easy solution is to bring the troops back from Iraq and Afghanistan, and put them on the Southern border with orders to "shoot to kill" any armed invaders.

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