It's the un-American way

Tea Party opponent tried to assert his rights by trampling on others'

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Imagine if a drama teacher told his students he'd be visiting the area's rival school and would do whatever he could to disrupt that school's theater production.

He'd be fired posthaste, no?

Yet, some people say an Oregon middle school teacher was only exercising his free speech rights by declaring his intent to "dismantle and demolish the Tea Party" -- through his "Crash the Tea Party" Web site that urged a few hundred sorry followers to collect Social Security numbers of tea party participants.

That nefarious tactic, by the way, was even attempted at the Tea Party event at Augusta Common here.

"See just how much info you can get from these folks (name address, DOB, Social Security #)," wrote Jason Levin, a teacher at Conestoga Middle School in Beaverton. "The more data we can mine from the Tea Partiers, the more mayhem we can cause with it!!!!"

There is so much wrong with that, one hardly knows where to begin.

He is teaching his students that it's OK not merely to express your own political views, but to try to stop others from expressing theirs. It is so against the tradition of free speech that it is nothing less than un-American.

It's also quite unethical. Should we not demand ethics in the teaching profession?

As of Friday, Levin had been suspended with pay while the school district investigated. Apparently, the key to any punishment will be whether he used district computers to carry out his assault on free speech -- not whether his activities were unethical or a horrendous example for students.

It is not free speech to try to prevent others from expressing theirs. Yet, repeatedly over the past few years, those on the left have tried to stop conservative speech at nearly every turn. Columnist Ann Coulter was prevented from speaking, as was Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist. An Israeli official was interrupted at a California university speech by a planned succession of hecklers. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts was rejected by Butler University faculty as a commencement speaker because he's just too doggone conservative to be listened to.

Besides the legal, moral and ethical issues, there's also the matter of simple courtesy. Levin is teaching his pliable young students' minds that you don't just express your own views, you also try to drown out opposing views. Nice lesson.

Whether or not the Oregon school district finds the administrative wherewithal to fire Levin, such a person is not fit to be teaching.

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Insider Information 04/16/10 - 09:35 pm
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Should we be surprised? This

Should we be surprised? This tactic comes straight from the Saul Alinsky playbook.
"Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage." - Rules for Radicals
If you can't beat them intellectually, then beat them through lies, distortion and anything within your grasp to diminish those with different views.
It's amazing what society can do with people once they are put down enough.

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Insider Information 04/16/10 - 09:37 pm
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Also, you have to love the

Also, you have to love the logic.
He believes Tea Party goers are racist and antisemitic, so to prove it he endorses planting people in the crowds pretenting to be racist and antisemitic.

wyochuck
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wyochuck 04/16/10 - 10:00 pm
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i reported this above story

i reported this above story here as soon as possible a few days ago--thanks for the follow up

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 04/16/10 - 10:18 pm
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Jason Levin can certainly

Jason Levin can certainly organize a Protest against the Tea Party Protestors. I doubt that the Tea Partiers would "crash" his Protest and be there taking names and Social Security numbers. And what in the world is Jason Levin going to do with your Name, Address, DOB, & Social Security Number.....steal your identity? Almost anything that Levin does with that information would be illegal.
Someone commented earlier about the children playing at the Commons being adversely influenced while the Tea Party was going on. How 'bout a teacher brainwashing [right or wrong], his students [your children], when they cannot leave the classroom, and using State Property to advance his KGB tactics in order to "dismantle and demolish the Tea Party." When they get to our children in our schools, we are very close to anarchy! Thanks to WYO and ACES for exposing this travesty while they still can!

wyochuck
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wyochuck 04/16/10 - 10:10 pm
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for aces--pray for "alicia

for aces--pray for "alicia parlette"--28 years old copy writer dying from terminal cancer--maybe one week left--san francisco chronicle--even though i spend a lot of time there attacking liberals--their editorials are actually moderate.

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Riverman1 04/17/10 - 08:00 am
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Ooops.

Ooops.

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GGpap 04/17/10 - 12:46 am
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While I don't agree with the

While I don't agree with the Tea Party folks, I would not dream of protesting their right to gather and "raise hell" about some perceived wrongs in our government. However, I would like to remind the AC writers, and the radical right posters here, that it was the rabble that attended the ObamaCare Town Meetings all across America that actually set the current tone and taught the lessons of rudeness, lying and disruption at public meetings in order to "shut down" the free speech of representatives and fellow citizens that wished to speak on the issue of health care. GGpap

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orgpsych 04/17/10 - 02:02 am
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Mr. Levin's tactics are

Mr. Levin's tactics are inappropriate in civil debate and should be sanctioned. Should he be fired for the poor example he sets for his students (gathering personal information to use for harm)? That's a call for his school board but I would certainly endorse looking into that as part of their investigation.

His right to say pretty much what he wants is protected, though, by the First Amendment. The counter to looking at a poor example would certainly include determining whether anyone actually followed up and acted on his advice. That would be an entire discussion thread in itself. However, the same logic can be applied to those who advocate the violent overthrow of the current administration or who publish addresses of public officials so "concerned citizens" may vandalize their property and intimidate their families. Did/will their rhetoric move someone else to act in ways that are clearly illegal?

If you think that this question is irrelevant or inappropriate, then Mr. Levin did nothing wrong.

BTW, many of those poor Conservatives who were offered as examples of how the Right is being persecuted are widely known to engage in tactics similar to what Mr. Levin would advocate. I have watched Ms Coulter interrupt, attack, and insult people with whom she was supposedly having a civil conversation.

We need a consistent standard of conduct. What is good for the goose MUST be good for the gander. I am heartened, but not yet convinced, by stories of the Tea Party moving to trim some of the more radical fringe elements that want to latch onto the movement for personal political gain.

We all need to keep in mind that words matter. Select them with care.

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 04/17/10 - 02:18 am
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Orgpsych--Outstanding

Orgpsych--Outstanding comment! A very well-balanced argument.

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johnston.cliff 04/17/10 - 02:25 am
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GGpap, your repeating of the

GGpap, your repeating of the CNN perspective on town hall meetings is admirable, I'm sure, but hardly true. From another perspective, when the politicians showed up at town hall meetings and fed the attendees feces on a stick and tried to convince them it was steak tartar, the attendees appropriately yelled "LIAR". It was when the politicians began repeating the lies that things became disruptive. Rudeness? Yeah, as soon as the politicians began speaking (substitute lying if you wish) the attendees experienced rudeness and responded in kind. On the other hand, when the politicians showed up and spoke honestly and candidly, the town hall meetings remained civil. ( this didn't happen a lot, but it did happen)

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johnston.cliff 04/17/10 - 04:29 am
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I like your comment @ 3:02

I like your comment @ 3:02 orgpsych. However, if you ever watch Gwen Ifill on Washington Week, PBS, you'd see a group of 5 hard lefties twist the truth just enough to make the entire show an in-your-face series of insults meant to feed raw meat lies to the base. If ever a conservative were allowed on the show, I can see how they would have a difficult time being civil. Gwen Ifill is to honesty what "The View" is to conservative men.

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Trey Enfantay 04/17/10 - 04:45 am
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RA - It's nice to see you

RA - It's nice to see you have apparently sobered up and can more or less type this morning.

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deekster 04/17/10 - 04:45 am
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Anarchy. Chaos. Riots and

Anarchy. Chaos. Riots and Revolution. "The sounds of summer".

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johnston.cliff 04/17/10 - 05:58 am
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You may be more humble, RA,

You may be more humble, RA, but you can't be as pretty.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/17/10 - 06:19 am
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Passing out fliers as part of

Passing out fliers as part of a spoof at the Tea Party gathering on Augusta Common was not disruptive, was not an assault on the free speech rights of those holding the protest, and is not "un-American". ACES is looking for any excuse to explain why their much ballyhooed Tea Party gathering on the Augusta Common failed to rally a crowd that by any stretch of the imagination could be labeled a mass movement.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 06:22 am
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Gppap......why don't you

Gppap......why don't you agree with paying less taxes, smaller government, and less government spending. THAT is what the tea party movement is about. Anything else you may have heard is what the media WANTS you to believe. I suggest you go to one of the meetings and find out for your self.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 06:26 am
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Pointing out someone's lies

Pointing out someone's lies and asking them to back them up on their blog isn't disruptive either, but it didn't stop Cain from blocking my entire internet provider in an attempt to keep me from doing it. Some people are only in favor of free speech if it is the same as theirs. It's typical with the far left.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 06:39 am
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Funny to see Cain defend

Funny to see Cain defend something that he finds to not be un-American, since he hates America so.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/17/10 - 06:53 am
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By "the media" do you also

By "the media" do you also mean The Augusta Chronicle, Tigger_The_Tiger? I notice that you do not dispute my assertion that the Tea Party on Augusta Common was weak and tepid and failed to brew up a mass movement. Whose fault is that? What's next for the Tea Party, Tigger_The_Tiger?

BTW, do you also include right-wing talk radio in "the media"? Herman Cain is predicting that "not much is likely to change between now and November, but things will certainly change at the polls in November." I don't think so. If Republicans do not make substantial gains in the House and Senate and in governors' races, what can we look forward to from your messianic Tea Party? Folks sure did not turn out en masse on Augusta Common to "save the nation" the way The Chronicle repeatedly urged them to do.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 07:05 am
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Well, Cain....since I didn't

Well, Cain....since I didn't actually go to the meeting in Augusta, as I'm sure you didn't either, I am unqualified to comment on it's tepidness, but unlike you, I admit that instead of claiming knowledge on something I know nothing about.

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 07:07 am
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By the media, I include ANY

By the media, I include ANY media that is reporting other than what has actually occurred at the Tea Parties..........which as I stated before, I'm sure you haven't attended, so YOU TOO don't know what you are talking about.............but that's never stopped you from talking.

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Back to story 04/17/10 - 07:10 am
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So cain, dirty tricks is a

So cain, dirty tricks is a spoof? No wonder your politics are suspect.

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Runner46 04/17/10 - 07:13 am
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Tactics have not changed from

Tactics have not changed from my high school days. Forget about intellectual debate. The group that screams the loudest, wins.

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Lobosolo 04/17/10 - 07:15 am
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Tigger, you sure paint with a

Tigger, you sure paint with a broad brush... Cain displays more characteristics of a true American than any of you folks, anytime and any day... You and the thin-skinned Mr. Johnson and others spew from the cauldron of the propagandists that you immerse yourselves in to the point that it's comical. Like your enabler Mr. Ryan of the AC, you still can't grasp the notion of the evolution of thought and deed as the country continues to grow. You hang on to the past as sacred allthewhile you have such a narrow and incomplete view of it. Your views on free speech are shared en exacta by the other side. Mr. Johnson, to sit and post that the tea party folks did not work in cohesion to disrupt town hall meetings is ludicrous and just another daily example of your smug, up-to-the-minute self-aggrandizing on a truth that exists only in your mind. The ridiculous right created this atmosphere long, long ago. The sorry showing at the amusingly homogeneous tea parties in Augusta, Atlanta, and even D.C. should be enough to get it through your heads that most of America does not think like you. It is not a "growing" movement. It is merely the remnants of the folks that got hammered in the last election, preaching to its dwindling choir. Free speech to your ilk means free speech for you, be it interrupting others, distortions and outright lies put out by irresponsible folks in the guise of "journalism", and the condemnation of others who only do the same, but with a different view.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/17/10 - 07:24 am
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Tigger_The_Tiger, you did not

Tigger_The_Tiger, you did not answer my questions about what can we expect from The Tea Party movement (which is now more than 1 year old) if Republicans do not make substantial gains at the polls in November? Will you take your tax protest to the civil disobedience level and refuse to pay taxes that you consider unconstitutional or will Tea Partiers file suits in federal courts in an effort to pursue "justice" that way? Will you join a militia? What's the next step you will take, or will you wait for your leaders in the right-wing media to tell you what to do? How are those law suits coming along that seek to declare the new health care law unconstitutional? Do you expect the Supreme Court to overturn the new law? Do you think Tea Party candidates or GOP candidates will make gains at the polls by running against the new health care reform law or by running against Obama's efforts to regulate Wall Street banking firms or against Obama's new directive that gives gay and lesbian couples visitation rights in public hospitals? I'm just asking the questions since you seem to speak for the Tea Party movement here.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/17/10 - 07:19 am
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Wow, passing out leaflets is

Wow, passing out leaflets is "dirty tricks"! Who knew? What about Republicans who tried to tell people to vote on November 5th instead of November 4th one year? The leaflets incident does not rise to even that level of "dirty tricks". Whose running scared now, Back to story?

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Tigger_The_Tiger 04/17/10 - 07:30 am
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Cain...why should I answer

Cain...why should I answer YOUR question when you have YET to tell me a law, issued by someone with authority over the US that the Iraq war violates, you haven't given a specific "international law" (you just keep saying it violates international law), and you have yet to explain why Israel has no right to exist, yet YOU feel content to stay on the land you have that was taken by murdering the natives. If I seem to be ignoring, your questions, just consider me as emulating the master!

As for what's next for the Tea Party.....we will do what is necessary to stop the oppression of the government.

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johnston.cliff 04/17/10 - 07:32 am
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The Repubs vote on Nov 4th

The Repubs vote on Nov 4th and the Dems on Nov 5th is a funny joke. Only the Dems fell for it. That's one of the perks of the subsidy base. You didn't go in on the wrong day did you Cain?

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Ayetidiosi 04/17/10 - 07:38 am
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Why does it seem the Perfect

Why does it seem the Perfect Obama Supporters are so concerned with what the TEA may do NEXT, yet cannot fathom any answers to what their Boy King in the Black House is doing NOW or HAS DONE?
Just as the Perfect Obama Supporter refers to Mr Steele as a "token" GOP leader, I say clearly and explicitly: Barack Hussien Obama is a token leader.

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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 04/17/10 - 08:01 am
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Tea Party supporters should

Tea Party supporters should expect push back from the majority of Americans who duly elected Barack Obama president. When we see racism raise its ugly head at Tea Party gathering or by Tea Party supporters like Ayetidiosi in his/her 8:38 AM post, it is our duty as Americans to call them on it.

The Southern Strategy of using thinly-veiled racism has worked for Republicans for the past 30 years. Now it is the GOP that is in disarray, and Tea Partiers are only making matters worse. The battle is between Michael Steele vs Karl Rove for control of the GOP.

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