Reality in bloom

War on terror is gaining fresh, desperately needed perspective

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Even through the rocky soil of delusion and hatred, reality has a way of germinating with time.

The narrative from the left during the last years of the Bush presidency was that America was the problem in the world, that jihad was our fault, that the war was unwinnable, and that American leaders were somehow "terrorists" or "war criminals" who should be arrested for their actions against Muslim terrorists.

One woman tried to handcuff and "arrest" former presidential adviser Karl Rove. The Vermont hamlets of Brattleboro and Marlboro voted to have George W. Bush or Dick Cheney arrested if they stepped foot in town. Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign filed a complaint with the International Criminal Court in The Hague to indict Bush administration officials. A court in Holland once had to turn down an effort to arrest Bush.

The isolated threats and acts of conservatives in the wake of health-care reform look like Sesame Street compared to the bile that liberals reserved for America and President Bush: depictions of the president in a noose were some of the more civilized images. Protesters actually urged the killing of President Bush. One said, "Death to extremist Christian terrorist pig Bush." Another said: "Bush the only dope worth shooting." Another said, "I'm here to shoot Bush (shoot me)." Yet another: "Bush is the disease; death is the cure."

And one more: "Kill terrorists; bomb there (sic) house; kill Bush; bomb his f-----g house."

Of course, no outrage from the evening anchors at that. Can you imagine the horror on the nightly news if such vitriol were directed at President Obama?

Speaking of Mr. Obama, here's what he said back in 2007 in calling for an immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq: "Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year -- now."

Yet, fast forward to today. Fresh shoots of reality seem to be sprouting underneath some folks' feet -- including Mr. Obama's.

Russia was hit again Monday by two suicide bombers from Chechnya, its breakaway Muslim republic. Oddly, the attacks seemed to have nothing to do with the United States or George W. Bush.

And over the weekend, President Obama declared in a visit to Afghanistan: "The United States of America does not quit once it starts on something. You don't quit. The American armed services does not quit.

"We are going to disrupt and dismantle, defeat and destroy al-Qaida and its extremist allies. That is our mission."

We applaud the president's newfound sense of determination. But it certainly stands in stark contrast to his pre-election stance -- when he led the call for quitting. As president, he now sees the importance of finishing the war on terror.

Reality has a way of making itself known.

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Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 03/30/10 - 02:45 am
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At least President Obama

At least President Obama landed in a plane--not in a Parachute, but President Obama's slightly softer rhetoric certainly sounded much like President Bush, didn't it? Except for the part that President Obama omitted accusing Americans of being the cause of all of the World's problems and Wars, just before he embarked on his World-wide Apology Tour.

And thank God, that Russia has decided to engage the Muslim Terrorist who have now instituted suicide bombing [using two women], to blow up other innocent Russian women and children.
It's about time that other Nations, besides Israel and our allies, realize evil when they see it, and join us in wiping out these murderous fanatics who will sacrifice there own women and children with suicide bombs, in order to murder other innocent women and children [Of ANY Nation, not just the terrible infidels in the United States of America], because of a twisted excuse for a religion.

AND PLEASE, unless you have read the Quran, don't tell me that the majority of Muslims are really Peace Loving, and please, don't tell me that America is just as bad or it is America's fault that the Muslims hate us, or that Israel did the same thing, because you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! You can go tell those LIES to our "Nobel Peace Prize" winning President who just ESCALATED THE WAR in Afghanistan.

President Obama's Foreign Policies are just as inexplicably controversial and divisive as his Domestic Policies. And to top it all off, in light of this newest Russian attack by Muslim Terrorist, the President is continuing to coddle the Muslims and further mocks our staunchest ally in the Middle East, the Jews and their leaders.
Go figure?

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 03/30/10 - 03:09 am
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The insanity of the left wing

The insanity of the left wing press and its choreographed reading of the "news" explains why FOX is almost without competition and why over half of all Americans (the informed half) rely on them for their primary news. Unfortunately, the left controls most of the printed press so many people are led astray. This country is paying the price for this imbalance, right now. Yes, the extremely tinned ear of obama can pick up the obvious when he has the knowledge to operate on. His previous position was based on biased politics and little knowledge. (Dem) While his "new" approach to the war on terror is better than his expressed opinion (pre-knowledge) it would still be better to remove this mad Marxist from office as soon as possible.

Brad Owens
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Brad Owens 03/30/10 - 07:00 am
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Nuanced his positions for

Nuanced his positions for sure. This was EXACTLY what I said he would do. Say anything to get the fools to vote you in, and then lead by Clinton style 'Triangulation'

By the way Nat, have YOU read The Noble Qur'an? If you say you have you are being less than truthful. I have a little blue copy in English I am looking at right now. It was a gift from a Pakistani senior naval officer I was escorting around during a visit to Sierra Leone.

My copy was printed in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia by Darussalam Publishers and Distributors. Where was YOUR copy that you claim to have read printed?

Now, I will not claim to have read it all, but I have read it from time to time. So I cannot claim to be an expert on the document, but I can charge that YOU sir, have not read the Qur'an yourself, now have you?

Why don't you all give up the 'Muslims' are violent non-sense. Was Hitler a Muslim? No, he was Catholic.

Was Stalin a Muslim? No, he was communist.

Was Pol Pot a Muslim? Nope.

Was Tim McVeigh a Muslim? Nope.

Were the 9-11 attackers Muslim? Yep. Is the Taliban a cult splinter group form Islam? Yep. NO different that the so-called 'Christian Idenity' folks from Aryan Nations. I mean you all want this to be about your faith so bad you can taste it, but it isn't is it? Not really, it is about the poeple that control the oil using Islam to keep the oppressed peoples of the Arab and Muslim world focused on something other than their own exploitation by their so-called leaders.

It is all bait and switch, just like most American Christian Churches that collect money to 'save your soul.'

The fact is, most all Muslims are peace loving folks that do not want to kill us all. I live in a country where 85% of the population in Muslim, yet we have had NOT ONE ACT of violence against anyone for that reason. How does that add into your theory about violent Islam?

Look no further than the past 24 hours of indictments against our own Jesus Jihadist to see that America is not so different when it comes to the God Squad fruitcakes taking it too far.

I digress.

Anyway, I agree with the idea behind this article. It is true that once you walk a mile in a man's shoes, you heve a different perspective. Now that Obama has been doing the job, he sees that it is not so simple a problem to fix.

Oh well, show me anyone who EVER does what they promise they will on the campaign trail once elected.

Brad

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/30/10 - 07:15 am
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A news clip from Obama's

A news clip from Obama's wasteful, less than 12 hour "visit" to Afghanistan where the Commander in Chief told U.S. soldiers what "we are going to do" in Afghanistan had all the bluster of George W. Bush. Flush from his $940 billion "victory" in health care reform, the President will now return to Congress and ask for another $33 billion to pay for the surge of American troops into Afghanistan - that on top of a record $709 billion Pentagon budget from which $158 billion is already being spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the so-called war on terror.

A study conducted by Peter Bergen found that the U.S. air war in Pakistan - missile attacks fired from drone aircraft - has reached the limits of its effectiveness and has now become counterproductive. Legal experts say that killing people in Pakistan, whether they are suspected Taliban or not, equates with extrajudicial killing which is a war crime. State Department lawyers have issued a legal finding in a weak attempt to justify the practice. Dick Cheney was wrong. United States cannot kill everyone it thinks are terrorists and win a victory.

The growing consensus including among Republicans is that the U.S. war in Iraq was a mistake. According to U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, (R-Ca.) and U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Ca.), all of their colleagues in the House Republican Caucus now believe that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake - a multi-trillion dollar mistake that has cost 4386 American lives so far and the lives of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

United States will not be able to make sustainable economic or political progress as long as it continues to wage unjust, unwise, immoral, illegal, un-winnable, ever more costly wars for hegemony over the Middle East and South Asia. The U.S. war in Iraq was and still is largely about oil. Add the costs of the war in Iraq to the price of gasoline, and American are already paying close to $7 a gallon.

ACES's disjointed, factually bogus editorial that tries to smear the anti-war movement and the liberal press is a prime example of the bellicose tripe that ignorant, arrogant, American militarist supremacists eagerly lap up. United States has not won a victory in Iraq and will not win a military victory in Afghanistan. The surge of U.S. troops in Afghanistan will only succeed in further destabilizing Pakistan.

The American people and the American militarist establishment are the losers. History will judge American efforts to militarily dominate the Middle East and South Asia and force them under the U.S. national security umbrella to be the single greatest epic error that ended the American empire. America will ultimately be forced to face its war crimes and bring to justice those responsible for them.

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johnston.cliff 03/30/10 - 07:46 am
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Brad, please. Remember when

Brad, please. Remember when those Christian children went to Muslim school and blew themselves up, killing all those innocent children? And remember the Christian teens that went to the Muslim Disco and blew themselves up, killing all of those innocent revelers? And, remember when those Christian women went to the train stations and airports and blew themselves up, killing all of those innocent people that had done nothing to them? Well, neither do I. And do you remember all of the Muslim outrage and public comments condemning the dozens of suicide bombers all over the world? Neither do I. Religion of peace? Not in my world.

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 03/30/10 - 07:06 am
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Cain, have you ever noticed

Cain, have you ever noticed that war is hell?

Notreally
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Notreally 03/30/10 - 08:31 am
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And Brad I believe this

And Brad I believe this statement you made: The fact is, most all Muslims are peace loving folks that do not want to kill us all. I live in a country where 85% of the population in Muslim, yet we have had NOT ONE ACT of violence against anyone for that reason. How does that add into your theory about violent Islam? But the daily posters here DARE I SAY what kinda they are and their mindset will not.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/30/10 - 09:23 am
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I wish ACES was capable of

I wish ACES was capable of doing their homework on the U.S. war in Afghanistan and of coming to their own assessment of the war independent of this newspaper's policy which is dictated by the editorial board. From news report today we again learn that President Karzai is a corrupt and unreliable ally who does not have the support of the Afghan people; the U.S. has spent upwards of $6 billion on trying to train an Afghan police force and has zilch to show for the effort; and the Afghan National Army is stoned out of its mind. But keep on spewing your pro-war, ideologically driven editorials, ACES, which have nothing whatsoever to do with reality on the ground in Afghanistan. From RETHINK AFGHANISTAN: "President Obama’s Flawed Premises in Afghanistan" - (VIDEO)
http://rethinkafghanistan.com/hp/president-obamas-flawed-premises-in-afg...

PeaceBWithU
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PeaceBWithU 03/30/10 - 09:39 am
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There are Extremists in both

There are Extremists in both parties and I don't listen to either. I don't believe President Obama ever spoke of "quitting". He acknowledged the mess he inherited and is doing his best clean it up. President Obama went to Afghanistan, where our troops need to be, to give them the face time and support that they deserve. Face time and support has been given to the troops by EVERY President. We never needed to be in Iraq. We should have concentrated our efforts in Afghanistan to begin with. Would it have ended terrorism? No. There will always be extremists that hate America. I think the best that we can hope for is to keep the battle off of American soil and continue to support and train local "anti Al-Quada" citizens to defend their own country.

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Little Lamb 03/30/10 - 10:13 am
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Let's think a moment about

Let's think a moment about this statement: Rev. Cain said

I wish The Augusta Chronicle editorial staff was capable of doing their homework on the U.S. war in Afghanistan and of coming to their own assessment of the war independent of this newspaper's policy which is dictated by The Augusta Chronicle editorial board.

That does not make sense. The staff works for the board. The staff speaks for the board. That's the way the world works.

chipshirley
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chipshirley 03/30/10 - 10:29 am
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I assume that someone started

I assume that someone started work on this editorial before the recent discovery of a large Christian Militia Terrorist group who were planning to kill hundreds of policeman and their friends and relatives.

Unlike some silly lefties with nasty placards the Hutaree militia were apparently armed to the teeth with full scale, battlefield ready, weapons and explosives.

I have spent as much time as anyone criticizing liberals for hatespeech and I have no use for the likes of Michael Moore, but the Talk Bombers on the right (Beck, Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity etc.) have microphones that reach all of America and they're on the national airwaves collectively for hundreds of hours a week.

They temper their tongues just enough to avoid FCC trouble and falsely claim that the president is a traitor who wants to destroy America and that he is acting outside of his constitutional authority. There can be no doubt that these claims are a thinly veiled call for violence against President Obama and his administration and his supporters.

The Talk Bombers paint a picture that, if true, or perceived to be true, would leave any patriotic US citizen with no moral option other than violent revolution and that is exactly what the Hutaree was doing and they were doing it because of the lies told by the Hannity Clan and the likes of Paul Broun in the Republican party.

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dani 03/30/10 - 10:32 am
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PeaceB. A quote from Obama,

PeaceB. A quote from Obama, Oct 2007...."I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war...."

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 03/30/10 - 10:46 am
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Little Lamb, I understand.

Little Lamb, I understand. That is exactly why Augusta Chronicle editorials are laughing stocks of yellow journalism. It is really funny that ACES tries to rope together massive anti-war protests (which were civil and peaceful) that preceded Bush's order to invade Iraq with the racial and homophobic slurs shouted by Tea Party movement members and then condemn peaceful anti-war protests as being "anti-Bush" and "anti-American" while exonerating those who slung epithets at Representatives John Lewis, Jim Clyburn, and Barney Frank for the unforgivable sins of voting for health care reform.

I understand that The Chronicle has the right to editorialize however it wants and ACES is compelled to write editorials that comply with the editorial board's policy, but if The Chronicle ever wants to be taken more seriously that say hot headed radio talk show hosts, it should deal with reality not ideology.

This editorial seeks to exonerate Bush and Cheney for their decisions while in office including waging the unnecessary and unjust war in Iraq, authorizing or condoning torture, indefinite detentions of terror suspects without habeaus corpus rights, etc.. President Obama's horrible decision to escalate the U.S. war in Afghanistan and expand the illegal U.S. air war in Pakistan (firing missiles at suspected Taliban militants amounts to extra judicial killings which is a war crime) does not justify Bush and Cheney's crimes anymore than it justifies Obama's war crimes.

I fault the liberal blogosphere for by and large giving Obama a pass on his ongoing war crimes. All this bodes ill for America and the world's future. If we don't respect human rights and the rule of law how can we expect others to respect human rights or the rule of law? America is perpetuating and escalating violence not making us more secure or eliminating the threat of terror attacks. That is real world reality.

dani
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dani 03/30/10 - 10:51 am
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chipshirley..what does this

chipshirley..what does this hate group have to do with our current political situation? We have had fringe groups before, freaks who "claim" to be "Christians, but have absolutely no connection with our Christian community.

dani
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dani 03/30/10 - 10:56 am
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Cain..The hate Bush breed

Cain..The hate Bush breed wasn't all about war. Some of the signs were, "kill Bush, not trees" , they hated Bush and anything and everything he did or said.

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justthefacts 03/30/10 - 10:58 am
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JRHC, do you have any proof

JRHC, do you have any proof of racial and homophobic slurs hurled at the event? With all the TV camera's, recorders, and cell phones present at the event, surely there is footage. I just can't seem to find any on U-Tube or any other outlet.

PeaceBWithU
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PeaceBWithU 03/30/10 - 11:56 am
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Dani, our President is trying

Dani, our President is trying to clean up the mess that he inherited in a smart way. I do believe that he will try to get our troops out of Iraq as soon as it is prudent to do so. To just abandon the country that Bush invaded without giving them the resources ( training) to defend themselves against "leaders" like Saddam Hussein is just plain irresponsible. I never once expected our troops to go home the day after the election. I am thankful that the War Machines are out of office.

dani
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dani 03/30/10 - 12:24 pm
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OK, Peace..continue to wear

OK, Peace..continue to wear your blinders.

wyochuck
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wyochuck 03/30/10 - 12:39 pm
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even worse than obama was

even worse than obama was harry reid--"the war is lost"--2/3 of iraqi's people just voted --bet you never saw that in the lamestream media

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Chillen 03/30/10 - 12:42 pm
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I say we put together a panel

I say we put together a panel of "peace" lovers. We can use the regular posters on this message board and maybe grab Cindy Sheehan to join.

This panel of peace loving individuals can volunteer to go to Afghanistan, meet with the terrorists and negotiate a world wide truce. Without any military protection of course because they won't need it - the terrorists just want to be "understood" so there will be absolutely no safety concerns.

Any volunteers?

wyochuck
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wyochuck 03/30/10 - 01:06 pm
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breaking news on fox--"cia

breaking news on fox--"cia reports iran has capability to build a nuclear bomb"

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Brad Owens 03/30/10 - 01:13 pm
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Cliff, so for the acts of a

Cliff, so for the acts of a few thousand you would hate millions?

Forget it, you will never get it.

Brad

wyochuck
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wyochuck 03/30/10 - 01:37 pm
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washington times--story,

washington times--story, under breaking news section-- "iran nukes"

Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 03/30/10 - 05:46 pm
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Brad--I'm not sure whether

Brad--I'm not sure whether you mean that I am literally not capable of reading, or that I claimed that I read something that I didn't. Apparently someone has told you that there are only certain authentic copies of the "Noble Qu'ran" known only by publisher. Is that what you are saying?
Otherwise, I said nothing of the sort. I said "unless 'you,' [emphasis added] have read the Quran, don't tell me that the majority of Muslims are Peace Loving." Then "you" immediately admit that "you," have not read all of the Quran, and yet "you," proceeded to tell me anyway that "most all Muslims are Peace Loving folks." I asked "you," not to tell me that! I hate it when that happens! Now, I am truly wondering which one of us can't read!

The remainder of your Post comparing historical despots to Muslims blowing up women and children with their own women and children is a feeble attempt to show that Muslim terrorist are not any worse than the very worst figures in history. That's a joke, right?

At least the guy with his "fist raised" on this thread agrees with you! He appears to be one of those "Peace Loving Folks."

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Chillen 03/30/10 - 03:04 pm
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Still no volunteers for the

Still no volunteers for the peace mission.

baronvonreich
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baronvonreich 03/30/10 - 04:03 pm
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They hypocrisy of the

They hypocrisy of the politicians and the ignorance of the electorate who vote them in office seemingly has no bounds.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 03/30/10 - 08:55 pm
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Cain, you have the longest

Cain, you have the longest posts I have ever seen. LOL Given the actions of Muslim terrorists it would only seem reasonable that we would be hesitant to accept that it is a peaceful religion. Hey Baron, how is it going? I agree that all politicians campaign one way and then govern another. Seems to be a lack of integrity in my book.

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baronvonreich 03/30/10 - 08:59 pm
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brim - given the actions of

brim - given the actions of Christian terrorists over the years, decades, and centuries, it would also seem reasonable that we would be hesitant to accept that it is a peaceful religion as well.

brimisjoshan
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brimisjoshan 03/30/10 - 09:45 pm
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Baron, that is so funny. I

Baron, that is so funny. I knew your post before you even wrote it. LOL See we are getting to know each other. Of course I disagree, I think the crusades were bad and you can't force anyone to be a Christian but still by and large most Christians today love God and others and want to see people enjoy a life with Christ. Hey, I can't remember how long ago was the crusades anyway? I figure you would know since you enjoy your history. Now consider how long ago it was that muslim did a violent act that killed many. I think you will see that the frequency as well as the current acts gives us a lot more reasons to be concerned about Muslims than Christian.

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baronvonreich 03/30/10 - 10:34 pm
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"most Christians today love

"most Christians today love God and others"

Brim - you could say the same thing about Muslims or the followers of other organized religions. They all think they are peaceful while they mostly promote hate and violence.

I also wasn't referring to just the Crusades however as I'm sure you know they began at the end of the 11th century and ended somewhat at the end of the 13th century though the violence it reinforced in Christians led to crusade-like ventures on up through the 17th century or as some like me would point out they continue up to this day.

Yes the 9/11 terrorists were Muslims. So what? It is just another reminder to the objective citizens of this world that organized religions endorse violence as a means to an end.

Much of the world view America and Britain as Christians or Christian nations and considering that they have invaded and oppressed the innocent people of Iraq and Afghanistan certainly does nothing for the war-mongering reputation. From the Trail of Tears to Bloody Sunday in Alabama to Bloody Sunday in Northern Ireland to Eric Rudolph's reign of terror across the southeast U.S., history from every single year of every single decade of every single century is littered with oppression and violence from Christians and considering that I am surrounded by many more intolerant Christians than Muslims I will choose to be more concerned with the former rather than the latter.

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