But can we live with that?

Regarding terrorists, Obama staffer is awfully cavalier with other people’s lives

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In the action thriller Die Hard , two FBI agents are about to lead an attack on a building filled with terrorists and hostages. One asks the other how much collateral damage there might be.

"Figure we take out the terrorists, lose 20, 25 percent of the hostages, tops," says the other.

"I can live with that!" the first one says.

That seems to be the attitude of some in the Obama administration toward terrorists released from Guantanamo Bay.

Last weekend, John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, said this about the fact that one in five terror suspects released from Gitmo get back in the terrorism game:

"People sometimes use that figure, 20 percent, (and) say 'Oh my goodness, one out of five detainees returned to some type of extremist activity.' You know, the American penal system, the recidivism rate is up to something about 50 percent or so, as far as return to crime. Twenty percent isn't that bad."

That has to be read twice to be believed. Go ahead. Read it again. We'll wait.

Still can't believe it? You're in good company.

Comparing international terrorists to domestic criminals -- forgers, burglars, thiefs, robbers, even rapists and murderers -- is beyond absurd. And Brennan's whole line of thinking betrays an alarming aloofness and casualness with your life.

Brennan seems perfectly willing to live with a 20-percent return-to-terrorism rate.

The question is, can we live with it?

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Nat the Cat
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Nat the Cat 02/20/10 - 01:27 am
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Can WE live with

Can WE live with it?...........No, WE will die with it. Zero tolerance for Terror!

johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 02/20/10 - 02:06 am
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I see where the

I see where the investigations into the actions of the Bush lawyers was laughed out of court. However, with the seemingly endless displays of incompetence like the one by John Brennan, Obama and his entire staff needs to be investigated the second the Mad Marxist is thrown out of office. What a collection of idiots this messiah has surrounded himself with! "...enemy within..."

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carcraft 02/20/10 - 06:22 am
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What is absolutely stange

What is absolutely stange about Obama is tracking down origins surrounding his birth and first year of life. Stanley Ann Durham had Obama and two moths later was in the State of Washington going to college and nobody mentions Obama...I really do agree Johnston we need an investigation...

HTN007
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HTN007 02/20/10 - 08:18 am
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An easy way to solve this

An easy way to solve this problem.......Cheney in 2012.

wizzardx1
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wizzardx1 02/20/10 - 09:04 am
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mmm mmm obama mmm mmm and

mmm mmm obama mmm mmm and the band played on.........

Techfan
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Techfan 02/20/10 - 09:21 am
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Who the heck is Stanley Ann

Who the heck is Stanley Ann Durham?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/20/10 - 09:29 am
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Techfan, I'll give you one

Techfan, I'll give you one hint who Stanley Ann Durham was. She was an atheist.

Techfan
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Techfan 02/20/10 - 09:32 am
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Durham or Dunham?

Durham or Dunham?

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/20/10 - 09:36 am
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Ahhh, DUNHAM. My apologies,

Ahhh, DUNHAM. My apologies, you were one ahead of me on that. But don't feel special, I'm often one behind. Still..she was an atheist...haha.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/20/10 - 09:45 am
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Editors, what the heck are

Editors, what the heck are thiefs? Are they thieves who like to keep their individuality? (Oh, I'm going to make these guys regret making fun of special-needs kids.)

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 02/20/10 - 10:15 am
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More fear-mongering by

More fear-mongering by radical right rhetoricians on The Augusta Chronicle editorial staff (ACES)! Why is United States afraid to give these terror suspects proper trials? Fearful local leaders are opposed to holding trials in NY City. NIMBY leaders have spooked jumpy Americans and made them afraid these men will escape from maximum security prisons in United States, attract terrorists attacks on these prisons, or convert other prisoners even though those from Guantanamo would be isolated from other Supermax prisoners.

Give me a break! If United States has evidence on these detainees that will hold up in court because it was not obtained through torture then put these men on trial. If not, then let them go. If you tortured me and I was an innocent man like many if not most of those detained in Guantanamo detention facility are, I would have serious issues with United States. Does "zero tolerances for terror" also mean "zero tolerance for the rule of law"?

The DOJ caved in its responsibility to hold John Yoo and Jay Bybee to ethical standards of conduct and allowed them to skate for their professional misconduct in advising President Bush that torturing suspects (which includes waterboarding and many other forms of "harsh interrogation") is legal.

President Obama has caved into the let's-all-be-afraid-of-terror-suspects and decided to continue holding 30 to 40 or more Guantanamo detainees without charges or trials. By contrast the UK government's human rights watchdog is demanding government ministers disclose what the Security Service knew about the alleged torture of Britons abroad. The Times of London reported yesterday "Last week the Court of Appeal ordered the disclosure of seven paragraphs of evidence showing that MI5 was aware that Binyam Mohamed, a former Guantánamo Bay detainee, was being mistreated by the CIA." Hopefully Britain's investigations will force the U.S. government to honestly and thoroughly investigate human right's abuses that took place during the Bush/Cheney administration and which continue under the Obama/Biden regime.

Now, let the personal attacks begin!

Techfan
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Techfan 02/20/10 - 10:12 am
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No problem river. We don't

No problem river. We don't agree on much but at least you are one of the few who have decent arguments without a lot of bs conspiracy rhetoric like some. This is the old TechLover, somehow the AC zapped my sign on and the account was linked to a defunct email.

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Riverman1 02/20/10 - 10:25 am
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Cain says, "If you tortured

Cain says, "If you tortured me and I was an innocent man like many if not most of those detained in Guantanamo detention facility are, I would have serious issues with United States. Does "zero tolerances for terror" also mean "zero tolerance for the rule of law"?

If you were part of group that hijacked airplans full of passengers and flew them into buildings in our country killing thousands of Americans, I would have serious issues with you.

But they are guilty beyond doubt. They were picked up on battle fields as we fought Al Qaeda-Taliban forces or carefully sought out because we knew of their involvement. Fighting along side those who have criminally attacked us makes them criminals in any law book.

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chascush 02/20/10 - 10:39 am
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I thought about taking up a

I thought about taking up a collect too send JRHC to Yemen but then we would miss a lot of good laughs.

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 02/20/10 - 12:10 pm
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Riverman1 buys into the "Be

Riverman1 buys into the "Be Afraid, Be VERY AFRAID" mantra. Either that or Riverman1 is out for revenge which is a poor excuse for justice. People were picked up on and off the battlefield in Afghanistan and in Pakistan and turned over to U.S. authorities to collect the bounties that were offered.. Plenty of innocent people happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

When first flights arrived at Guantanamo, the suspects were bound, gagged, and hooded on the flight because then Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed "these are the worst of the worst. They would chew through hydraulic lines." It turns out that these were not the worst of the worst. Far from it. Many have been repatriated and released without charges. Only a hand full of the nearly 500 detainees were ever charged and convicted.

Evidence that men were tortured at Guantanamo is irrefutable. It was the model for what subsequently happened at Abu Ghraib, Bagram, and at numerous CIA "black site" prisons. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld authorized torture. As noted above, John Yoo and Jay Bybee skated on their ethical responsibility for advising the President that torture was legal.

The people who flew airplanes into tall buildings died. Those that ordered them to do so (Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri) have never been caught either by Bush or by Obama. Every Taliban militant fighting to liberate Afghanistan from a foreign occupier is not Al Qaeda. Those Taliban fighters who have been killed in the current U.S. offensive in Marja, Afghanistan have all been impoverished, local Pashtuns, who were dirty, thread bare, and poorly nourished. Their weapons (according to a NY Times embedded reporter) were "dirty and well-worn, including a jammed semiautomatic pistol with a broken handgrip and a Type 56 Chinese Kalashnikov and a PK machine gun that both were pitted from years of exposure. The weapons’ magazines have been mismatched." Hardly a threat to United States!

United States has the right and responsibility to pursue and to bring those DIRECTLY responsible for 9/11 to justice. United States never had a right to invade Iraq under known false pretenses, and it does not now have the right to occupy Afghanistan and to launch missiles into Pakistan on a daily basis. Missile strikes today killed 30 Taliban "militants" in South Waziristan, Pakistan. Those guys had nothing to do with any attacks on United States. U.S. actions are spreading instability throughout South and Central Asia. Unjust war being waged by United States is making matters worse not better. Seymour Hersh says:

* Torture has not ended. In some ways, it's gotten worse, since soldiers have 72 hours to turn over captured people to proper military custody — so they make the most of that time.
* Not only is the Afghanistan plan doomed to failure, everyone knows it.
* Racism exists at the highest levels of the military. One source used the words “scared little colored boy surrounded by real men.”
* There is a deal on the table that would make peace with the Taliban, but the U.S. can't take it because of the backlash from dealing with them.
* Obama means well, but is utterly unable to work against the residual neoconservatism from the stay-behinds in the Pentagon.
* The ratio of innocent people to genuine enemies killed by Predator strikes is astounding.
* A Mossad agent he knows, who had himself tortured Arabs before, was incensed by the Abu Ghraib story. The one thing you don't do to an Arab is humiliate him sexually. (Side note: The Pashtun concept of revenge is very long-term. Decades from now, some American is going to be executed out of nowhere for the murder of someone else's grandfather.)*
* The best hope to change the dynamics underlying American atrocities is the Internet.

chascush
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chascush 02/20/10 - 11:23 am
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I feel very sorry for Cain he

I feel very sorry for Cain he is such an unhappy person. He seems to go further on the deep end every day.

dani
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dani 02/20/10 - 11:50 am
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Where does Cain come up with

Where does Cain come up with all the gobbledygook. Does he cut and paste or is it just a bad dream?

JohnRandolphHardisonCain
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JohnRandolphHardisonCain 02/20/10 - 12:27 pm
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Notice that the previous two

Notice that the previous two posters have nothing whatsoever to say that is on topic. I wrote everything in the piece above except what the embedded NY Times reporter wrote. I put that in quotes. I also did not write the bullets from Sy Hersh's talk at the University of Oregon. I should have cited that source. I found them here:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/19/838524/-Sy-Hersh-just-got-me...

The NT Times blog I quoted from is titled "Just Who Are We Fighting in Marja?" It was posted on February 19. It is by C.J. CHIVERS. That post is found here (registration required but it is free):

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/just-who-are-we-fighting-in-ma...

Edited to add: Clearly web page addresses do NOT link automatically as stated in the footnote below the comment entry box.

southernguy08
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southernguy08 02/20/10 - 12:37 pm
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CAIN, pretending 9/11 didn't

Unpublished

CAIN, pretending 9/11 didn't happen, won't make the terrorists go away. They'll kill you as fast as the rest of us. Giving foreign nationals the same rights as American citizens shows the arrogant ignorance of this attorney general, and the Obama Administration. 9/11 shows we'd all better be very afraid! The attack by an Islamic fanatic at Fort Hood shows the change of administrations hasn't changed the minds of these terrorists at all.

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Riverman1 02/20/10 - 01:53 pm
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Seymour Hersh is an

Seymour Hersh is an interesting person to quote. Has he ever supported any American military operation? He is like a pacifist who objects to any retaliation by our military.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 02/20/10 - 05:16 pm
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I actually used to take the

I actually used to take the time to read his posts, but found out that his anti-US military diatribes are just a waste of time. Now, when I see his avatar, I just go on to the next post. I suggest everyone else do the same. Sigh.....

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GGpap 02/20/10 - 06:33 pm
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I don't believe I've ever

I don't believe I've ever written anything either pro or con concerning Mr. Cain's posts; however, today I am in agreement with much of what he has written. And especially with his accurate charge that some (not just a few, IMO) have been seduced by the "be afraid, BE VERY AFRAID" mantra. Either that or they have an uncontrollable addiction to encouraging and hearing the cacophony of swords rattling day in, day out, with no end in sight. Bang, bang, clash, clash, zzzzip---touché! GGpap

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TheFederalist 02/20/10 - 07:04 pm
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Ok, so you then ascribe to

Ok, so you then ascribe to the philosophy that our national defense and intelligence agencies are in in good shape, and they are on top of things internationally, so no need to worry?

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glassrinkmaker 02/20/10 - 09:09 pm
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Gpap, somehow I think you and

Gpap, somehow I think you and Cain are more in line than you care to admit! Imagine that

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