The ACLU drones on

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You've probably been somewhat confused in recent years about what the mission of the American Civil Liberties Union is.

Its raison d'être is supposedly to "defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."

So, you're thinking, maybe the ACLU will come to my defense when the federal government says I have no "reasonable expectation" of privacy on a cell phone.

Maybe later. Right now, the ACLU is more worried about protecting terrorists from America.

The organization is attacking America's use of unmanned drone attacks against terrorists, most recently utilized against terrorists holed up in the hills of Pakistan. It is demanding proof from the U.S. government that the drone attacks are legal.

"The American public has a right to know whether the drone program is consistent with international law," the organization said.

Frankly, it is -- but, more importantly, it is consistent with one's God-given right to self-defense. Terrorists in that region have spawned attacks on forces in Afghanistan; America itself has been attacked. Congress authorized the use of force in Afghanistan and Iraq, and hiding just over the Pakistani border is no defense.

The ACLU worries about civilian deaths, and so should we all. But it is the terrorists themselves who are violating international law and wartime convention by not only attacking civilians unprovoked, but then taking refuge among their own civilians, inviting collateral damage and, obviously, luring the ACLU to plead their case.

The ACLU, clearly, isn't concerned with Americans' civil liberties so much as any left-wing cause that comes along, however unrelated to its supposed mission.

Its bizarre foray into foreign policy, sadly enough, is no better thought-out than most of its interloping in domestic affairs.

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johnston.cliff
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johnston.cliff 02/15/10 - 01:21 am
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Over the past 50 years, the

Over the past 50 years, the ACLU has become (almost exclusively) anti-conservative. It has developed into a bastion of far left ideologues that uses decisions made in foreign courts to fight the U.S. constitution at every turn. The majority of the operating funds come from American taxpayers and foreign entities while accountability for their actions never seems to enter into the equation. The ACLU may have been useful sometime in the distant past, but almost no one remembers when. This is one of the government entities that needs to be replaced.

Roeschen
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Roeschen 02/15/10 - 05:21 am
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Why is the ACLU worried about

Why is the ACLU worried about drones in Afghanistan? Seems to me that drones are saving American lives. Perhaps the ACLU does not want to save American lives - especially the lives of those men and women who fight for the defense of our country.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/15/10 - 08:21 am
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The ACLU should send their

The ACLU should send their attorneys to the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan to interview their clients. When their bodies finally turned up, the ACLU could keep sending attorneys until none were left.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 08:17 am
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Riverman.........what if

Riverman.........what if their bodies DON'T turn up......just the heads?

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 08:18 am
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I love the cry of

I love the cry of "International Law." That's what liberals use when they can't cite an exact law that something violates, but they think should be illegal. The NEVER cite what law is being broken, where you can read that law, and what gives the law making body authority over us. And they will do the same today........mark my words.

Riverman1
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Riverman1 02/15/10 - 08:22 am
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Tigger asked,

Tigger asked, "Riverman.........what if their bodies DON'T turn up......just the heads?"

If a body is in two parts, two attorneys should be sent.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 08:25 am
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Good point!

Good point!

grouse
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grouse 02/15/10 - 08:55 am
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The Chronicle would be
Unpublished

The Chronicle would be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot...

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 09:11 am
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If the shoe were on the other

If the shoe were on the other foot? You mean if Al Qaeda was to attack US? That's already been done. They declared war on us, and for doing so, they must accept the consequence.

Dixieman
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Dixieman 02/15/10 - 09:16 am
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The Constitution is not a

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Every country has the right to defend itself and survive. End of.

willienelson
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willienelson 02/15/10 - 09:54 am
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Grouse would be singing a

Grouse would be singing a different story if his family members had been in the Towers on 9.11. What is so different about the use of drones and smart bombs? When at war should one use only half of his arsenal to defeat the enemy. Then when all Americans are in prison camps and middle easterners are riding by daily and for a mere $100 can lope of the heads of 10 American bad guys, should we look at each other and say Darn, think maybe we should have use bullets? This is insane. Is it ok to say Darn? If not....I apologize.

TechLover
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TechLover 02/15/10 - 09:57 am
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I realize the AC and Billy is

I realize the AC and Billy is facing bankruptcy, but a little money spent on a research department might be a wise move. The ACLU filed a Freedom of Information Act request in 2007, to receive info on the government using cellphones as tracking devices and has lawsuits to prevent this practice dating at least as far back as 2007. I notice the AC didn't mention former US Attorney, and now Gov of NJ, Chris Christie, who used warrantless cell phone tracking 79 times as US Attorney, 19 after November 2007, when the Justice Department recommended that prosecutors seek warrants.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 10:01 am
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How many times does the ACLU

How many times does the ACLU fight for someone's 2nd amendment rights? How many times do they fight for the rights of Christians?

justthefacts
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justthefacts 02/15/10 - 10:13 am
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Techlover, bring us up to

Techlover, bring us up to speed. How did the ACLU's lawsuit end up? Last I looked, a yr after that charge was leveled, Chrisitie was elected Governor. Guess the folks in NJ didn't buy the slander.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 02/15/10 - 10:35 am
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"Sadly," Mike (Oh, pleeeeze)

"Sadly," Mike (Oh, pleeeeze) Ryan is on another anti-ACLU rant. "Frankly," all the ACLU has done is file a FOIA request for the Obama administration's legal basis for drone attacks. It did the same thing when it it sought the Bush administration's legal basis for holding terror suspects without habeas protection. "Sadly," Ryan now thinks he's an expert on international law ("Frankly, it is....). No, frankly, this is just Ryan again at his arrogant best, pontificating about things he knows little about. "Sadly," Ryan never acknowledges ACLU efforts to defend conservatives, as it did when it defended Limbaugh's privacy rights or anti-abortion protestors free speech rights. "Frankly," Ryan's piece is grossly one-sided and fundamentally unfair.

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 02/15/10 - 10:49 am
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Tiger, etc.: your smug

Tiger, etc.: your smug rhetorical question just begs for an answer. Had you taken just a few moments to research before shooting off your mouth, you might have found that the ACLU defended the free-speech rights of a Baptist minister and his congregation when they used megaphones at an anti-abortion rally in Indiana. And you might have found the ACLU took a pro-gun 2nd Amendment position when Washington state proposed new gun restrictions after the shooting of two policemen. You knee-jerk conservatives just make me laugh sometimes. You're so sure of yourselves, especially when YOU'RE PLAIN WRONG!

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 02/15/10 - 10:57 am
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Dixieman: boy, and I thought

Dixieman: boy, and I thought MY online name said it all....

"The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Every country has the right to defend itself and survive. End of."

So just to make your position clear. Every country has the right to use ANY means of defense, so long as it sincerely believes it necessary?

Does that principle apply equally to Pakistan when it sincerely fears an attack from India? Or visa-versa? What about Iran? Syria? Or israel? No holds barred? Anything goes? End of?

TechLover
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TechLover 02/15/10 - 11:01 am
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just: Since it was printed

just: Since it was printed not spoken, it would be libel, not slander. For either, it must be false and implied to be true. Christie admits doing it, and defends its use. Tigger: 3 cases show up on the FIRST page of a Google search for the ALU supporting gun rights, 3 also show up on the FIRST page on Google supporting Christian rights. this isn't counting duplicates. Try http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=548951&page=1

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 02/15/10 - 11:12 am
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TechLover: nice! Here's a

TechLover: nice! Here's a sample from your link: "The ACLU has been my guardian angel," he [a realtor-turned-street-corner evangelist] said. "They have been the ones that have provided the ability for me to stand on the street and talk with people about Jesus Christ." "Sadly," most conservatives in Augusta rarely take the time to question their preconceived notions. "Frankly," they seems to revel in their own ignorance. The web is filled with examples of the ACLU defending "conservative" positions of all sorts. Prediction: the conservative posters to this site will never acknowledge it. They are too arrogant and unwilling to ever admit they might be wrong about anything! The silence will be deafening....

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 11:31 am
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I stand corrected.......but

I stand corrected.......but they defend criminals far more often than law abiding citizens. I'm glad EEL is an expert on "International law." Care to tell us what law the attacks might violate, where we can read that law, and what gives the lawmaking body authority over us? The silence is deafening.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 11:16 am
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Looks like EEL is

Looks like EEL is wrong......I acknowledged it.

justthefacts
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justthefacts 02/15/10 - 11:43 am
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tech, noted:Slander/Libel.

tech, noted:Slander/Libel. But, you get my point. Hope all is well. EEL, nice to have you back.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 11:49 am
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Do I hear crickets chirping?

Do I hear crickets chirping?

dominionfs
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dominionfs 02/15/10 - 12:15 pm
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I would think hunting lawyers

I would think hunting lawyers should be legal by now. There are enough that a good culling wouldn't hurt. " I need a new fishin' license, a huntin' licence and can I get a duck stamp and a coupla lawyers stamps on that?"

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 12:39 pm
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Ok.......name ANY

Ok.......name ANY international law and what gives that lawmaking body authority over us. Again, the silence will be deafening.....since you didn't answer the other either. I suppose you must missed the point.

TheFederalist
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TheFederalist 02/15/10 - 12:41 pm
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So EEL, despite the many

So EEL, despite the many studies, polls, articles, and the recent book by Wendy Kaminer, a former board member of the ACLU, you still maintain that the ACLU is not a leftist organization? Horsefeathers! Sure, you pick a few isolated examples of cases where the ACLU did in fact back a cause NOT in line with their agenda, but for every example you cite, I can list hundreds on the other side. You are barking up the wrong tree here EEL. The ACLU is also famous for the cases that they do NOT take, and where their silence is damning. Not strange that you should come to the defense of an organization that historically has backed primarily leftist causes. Your name says it all. The protection of free speech was the guiding principle of the aclu in 1977, but now, sadly, they have become nothing more than another arm of the left, much like Acorn. The worst part is that our tax dollars go to support the ACLU, so we are paying to push the agenda of the left. I urge everyone to visit this website, where your voice can be heard. Stand up to this obvious misuse of our tax dollars and say loud and clear that we do NOT want federal funding for the ACLU. http://www.petitiononline.com/stopACLU/petition.html

effete elitist liberal
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effete elitist liberal 02/15/10 - 12:42 pm
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Tigger: just reread and saw

Tigger: just reread and saw your "I stand corrected...." That was an unusual bit of humility on these pages, and nice to see. I have no doubt that the ACLU over the years has defended more "liberal" causes than "conservative" ones. Nevertheless, the myth perpetuated on the right that the ACLU is some radical, commie group is just ignorance and blind prejudice, pure and simple. In fact, the ACLU is one of the great institutions of this country, and one that keeps watch over the unconstitutional applications of government power wherever they occur.

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southernguy08 02/15/10 - 12:42 pm
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EEL, regarding your 9:57
Unpublished

EEL, regarding your 9:57 post, if every country has a right to defend itself and survive, I agree. So, does that mean that the USA has a right to build a wall between us and Mexico and use troops to guard it from the hoardes of illegals who are thumbing their noses at our immigration laws? If so, you might want to tell the liberals who are calling it "another Berlin Wall."

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 12:44 pm
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A.C.L.U. ---------

A.C.L.U. --------- American Criminal Liberties Union.

Tigger_The_Tiger
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Tigger_The_Tiger 02/15/10 - 12:47 pm
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