Pickens County sheriff won't honor Mandela

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PICKENS, S.C. — Pickens County Sheriff Rick Clark said he won’t lower the flag outside his sheriff’s office to half-staff to honor Nelson Mandela because the South African civil rights leader was not a United States citizen.

Clark first announced his decision Friday on his Facebook page, writing “Nelson Mandela did great things for his country and was a brave man but he was not an AMERICAN!!!”

The sheriff confirmed his decision in several interviews Friday.

Clark said the sheriff’s office American flag was at half-staff Friday to honor a Florence County deputy killed in a wreck and Saturday for Pearl Harbor Day, but will fly at full staff on Sunday and Monday.

Mandela was imprisoned for nearly 30 years while trying to bring racial equality to South Africa, then became the country’s president and a civil rights leader. He died Thursday. President Obama ordered flags in the United States flown at half-staff in honor of Mandela through sunset Monday.

Clark pointed out Obama’s order was a proclamation and does not have the force of law. He said he would have made the same decision if he was in office in 2005, when President George W. Bush ordered flags flown at half-staff after the death of Pope John Paul II. Clark became sheriff this year.

Pickens County officials said while Clark is free to do what he wants to do with the flag outside the sheriff’s office, American flags at other county offices will remain at half-staff to honor Mandela.

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specsta
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specsta 12/07/13 - 10:05 pm
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Even Barney Fife Would Be Ashamed of this "Sheriff"

Sheriff Rick Clark has just confirmed that he has no clue about world events. Why choose ignorance?

Nelson Mandela affected the entire world with his patience, humility and wisdom. Generations of citizens around the world have been inspired by his legacy.

This sheriff is not even worthy to hold Mandela's shoes.

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griff6035 12/07/13 - 10:59 pm
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Our Flag

I stand with the Sheriff!

KSL
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KSL 12/08/13 - 04:58 am
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Me too!

Me too!

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 12/08/13 - 06:30 am
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United States Code Title 4 Chapter 1 — The Flag

By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law.

89.8% white population. 4.7% Catholic population. It'll go at half staff when the Grand Wizard dies.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 12/08/13 - 06:35 am
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Major league computer glitch.

Major league computer glitch. I didn't post but once.

robert2410
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robert2410 12/08/13 - 07:04 am
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Once was too much Bod, your
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Once was too much Bod, your post was ignorant

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robert2410 12/08/13 - 07:20 am
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Good for the sheriff, it
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Good for the sheriff, it would be a slap in the face to real Americans to honor a communist and terrorist. It is documented proof Mandela was both and he never did nothing for us anyway.

InChristLove
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InChristLove 12/08/13 - 07:41 am
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Too much coffee this morning

Too much coffee this morning Bod? LOL!

soapy_725
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soapy_725 12/08/13 - 08:03 am
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We boycotted a country with minority rule when we had minority
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rule. Advancing world communism.

soapy_725
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soapy_725 12/08/13 - 08:04 am
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USA telling another sovereign country how to rule itself.
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USA telling another sovereign country how to rule itself.

Bodhisattva
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Bodhisattva 12/08/13 - 08:04 am
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Ignorant? It's quoting

Ignorant? It's quoting directly from the US flag code. The President can call for it. He needs to follow it and leave HIS politics out of it. He's in a right wing WASP enclave so he doesn't give a rat's rear end. I have kin in that area and it's not exactly a Kumbaya area for race relations, my kin included. I've never hit a flag for review, but that comes close. No, I got a page could not load error, hit the fix button, and the page loaded behind it with the string of posts. I have no clue what went on. People gripe about the health care site. Heck Windows throws some crazy stuff after all these years.

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soapy_725 12/08/13 - 08:05 am
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Funny we don't tell Saudi Arabia how to rule its people. Just
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countries where we help install communism.

ymnbde
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ymnbde 12/08/13 - 08:46 am
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so this Sheriff is protesting using non-violent means

a benign protest simply involving the height of a flag
so he must be a grand wizard in the kkk, right?
he must hate black people
dang... any form of dissent from this government is automatically
attacked by the full force of ignorance
typed and pasted by the ignorant
i'm sure Mandela would approve

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scoobynews 12/08/13 - 09:36 am
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Omg!

I respected Mandela's later actions after he was released from prison but he did wage a armed resistance against white South Africans. In fact from what I have read downright terroristic acts. So yes, I can see why an American would not support raising the flag to half staff. Read up on your facts before you look ignorant and not the sheriff.

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debbiep38 12/08/13 - 09:36 am
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Poor Bod, You must be living on the wrong side of the tracks.
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I've lived in the Augusta area, you know the racist South, my entire 57 years and have never been approached or even seen a KKK member. Your mention of the Grand Wizard was predictable yet delusional. I'm fairly certain if you walk down your own street at night you're not too worried about Wizards and Dragons but another certain demographic wearing hoods.

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deestafford 12/08/13 - 10:44 am
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Mandela may have turned out ...

Mandela may have turned out to be a great man but I cannot agree with the gushing of how he impacted people's lives thought out the world. He may have set a positive example but there is much overboarding going on as to his effect.

By the way, Obama did not direct the lowering of flags on Margaret Thatcher's death and she along with Ronald Reagan and the Pope had more to do with bring peace to the world than Mandela ever has or will. Obama did not send even one US representative to her funeral.

I support the sheriff on this.

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avidreader 12/08/13 - 11:11 am
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The Prez!

I am not a fan of Mr. Obama's politics, but I respect him as a man. What's the big deal with a flag at half mast?

Throw the man a bone now and then. His decision is one of compassion, not politics.

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jwilliams 12/08/13 - 11:30 am
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Hello Scoobynews, thanks for

Hello Scoobynews, thanks for your post, but it may be you that need to check your facts also. You stated in your post that you, “Respected Mandela's later actions after he was released from prison but he did wage a armed resistance against white South Africans. In fact from what I have read downright terroristic acts.” Now comes the facts, let’s look at the term “TERRORISTIC ACTS” defined as (according to the freedicionary.com)“The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.” Now sir my question to you is if someone continuously came into your backyard with guns and killed, isolated and improvised “YOUR” family members and friends through “TRUE TERRORISTIC ACTS” while all you were armed with were the “PLEAS” of just being treated as a “HUMAN” what would you do? After years of just asking for peace and equality in your “OWN” land and being knocked upside the head, separated from your family, unjustly treated and even killed, what would you do? Mr. Mandela tried talking, but his words went unheard by those that did not consider him or anyone that looked like him “HUMAN.” I am not condoning any acts that Mr. Mandela committed that caused injury or death, but I am also not going to accept the treatment that was laid down upon him or anyone that looked like him as being caused by “SELF.” This all sounds very familiar.

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Darby 12/08/13 - 12:06 pm
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Bod says -

"Even Barney Fife Would Be Ashamed of this "Sheriff""

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But then Barney was known for his ignorance and stupidity.

Darby
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Darby 12/08/13 - 12:09 pm
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Bush being wrong about the Pope doesn't

make OzBama right about the "reformed" terrorist Mandela.

Forgive, just don't forget!

Darby
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Darby 12/08/13 - 12:22 pm
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The targets of Mandela's terrorism

(assassinations, bombings and torture) were frequently black South Africans, their wives and children. He didn't need to go that route but he did because it was effective.

Nothing jwilliams can say in his long and rambling rant can excuse Mandela's animalistic behavior. The man himself said: “There is nothing sacred or inherently superior about non-violent methods of struggle.” He never even considered mitigating the death and destruction he wrought.

George Washington was a terrorist in the eyes of the British Crown, but Washington confined his violence to British troops and their mercenaries.

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Darby 12/08/13 - 12:25 pm
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And one more thing....

Why is it, that liberals and progressives so frequently admonish others to "check your facts" and then go on to immediately post their own opinions as undocumented truth?

Just wondering JW?

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oldredneckman96 12/08/13 - 01:19 pm
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Do this, check out the quality of life in South Africa, heck all of Africa for that matter, before and after Mandela. Now, you decide if he helped or hurt the country. When you let the children take charge of the adults, this is what you get, a total breakdown.

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scoobynews 12/08/13 - 02:17 pm
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Jwilliams

Go read a Gandhi biography. Gandhi burned pass books in South Africa too and was jailed many times before he left to return to his own country. There he fought for a country with far more people being oppressed than in South Africa and still managed to do it without lifting one finger in violence. Also I am a she not a he.

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jwilliams 12/08/13 - 03:17 pm
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Hello Darby thanks for your

Hello Darby thanks for your response, “Nothing jwilliams can say in his long and rambling rant can excuse Mandela's animalistic behavior. Darby,” If you read my post you would have read that ” I am not condoning any acts that Mr. Mandela committed that caused injury or death, but I am also not going to accept the treatment that was laid down upon him or anyone that looked like him as being caused by “SELF.” The unjust treatment of ANYONE should not be tolerated by anyone. Anyone that has no compassion in their heart is far less of an “ANIMAL” as you related to Mr. Mandela behavior, than he could ever be. Whatever Mr. Mandela did, it does not justify the “MURDER” of thousands of innocent WOMEN and Children by the DeKlerk led government and if you or anyone else supports this , you will have to answer for it before “YOUR” judge someday. And there is nothing you can say in your rambling rant that can excuse the murders of “UNARMED” women and children.
Also Scoobynews, this is for you, although Gandhi preached and practiced non violence, he did not totally rule it out for others. You never answered what would you do?
"I do believe that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence I would advise violence," Gandhi wrote in his famous work, Doctrine of the Sword.

Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor. - M.K. Gandhi, The Doctrine of the Sword.

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TrulyWorried 12/08/13 - 03:22 pm
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Darbey's comment

Your comments are so right except for the word "animalistic" ????
What would you have an animal do to act like Mandela? Leave the animals, the TRUE animals out of it - OK?? Thanks!

Darby
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Darby 12/08/13 - 03:48 pm
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Jwilliams -

Your long rambling response to my criticism of your first long rambling post shed no light whatsoever on anything other than to reinforce your bias.

Do you even read what you write??? "Whatever Mr. Mandela did, it does not justify the “MURDER” of thousands of innocent WOMEN and Children by the DeKlerk led government and if you or anyone else supports this , you will have to answer for it before “YOUR” judge someday."

Who suggested that Mandela's terroristic actions "justified" DeKlerk's??? Or were you trying to suggest that DeKlerk's policies made Mandela's mini holocaust acceptable?

"...I am also not going to accept the treatment that was laid down upon him or anyone that looked like him as being caused by “SELF.”" There you go, attempting to bring racism into the discussion and by association, condemn anyone who criticizes the great Mandela.

How do you feel about the raw deal that the other great liberator, Che Guevara got?

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Darby 12/08/13 - 03:55 pm
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Sorry TW, just suggesting that Mandela,

much like an animal, was devoid of a conscience.

Am I out of the dog house??

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deestafford 12/08/13 - 04:11 pm
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George Washington was not considered a terrorist...

George Washington was not considered a terrorist by the crown but he was considered a traitor. Big difference. I don't believe the word "terrorist" was part of the normal vocabulary in those days. A terrorist is someone who kills innocents men, women, and children indiscrimminately and I know of no such acts by Washington.

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scoobynews 12/08/13 - 07:15 pm
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Using a Gandhi quote and

Using a Gandhi quote and comparing it to his actual actions doesn't prove much of anything. I think you need to take the cap lock off and realize we live in America and if that guy doesn't want to lower the flag then by all rights he will NOT! Have a nice night.

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