Discussion of Zimmerman verdict planned at church

Monday, July 15, 2013 6:15 PM
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A forum to discuss the George Zimmerman trial verdict in Florida will be held at 2 p.m. Saturday at Williams Memorial CME Church, 1630 15th St., church officials said.

A Trayvon Martin After-the-Verdict Stand-In is scheduled for noon at the courthouse on James Brown Boulevard at Walton Way.

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Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/13 - 08:50 am
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Big everyone feels oppressed

Big everyone feels oppressed in America now-Christians, Atheist, every ethnicity, baby boomers, etc. etc. Move over with all the complaints. So I'm not black will this church welcome me to participate in this discussion? Why do you assume that things didn't go your way because you are black? I have a jewish friend who laments the same. I would argue your opinions of other ethnicities are modeled from what you've seen on TV too-touche'.You have no idea what it is to be an Asian, Hispanic, or white man in America either. See your comments are naïve in that you believe there are races-there are none just the human race. We are all human beings and Americans. My last job I was the minority ethnicity and I didn't feel oppressed nor was I treated differently (well now let me qualify things didn't always go my way and I got screwed over too but I don't believe it was because of my ethnicity and racial discrimination. Living with the feeling of being oppressed is a life killer-my father always told me I was stupid and would never amount to anything-that and beat the crap out of me.. Well I didn't let that oppressive experience define me and from my rural roots and poor initial education I proved him wrong. Fortunately my father and reconciled and developed a relationship later in life which I'm thankful because "hate" is the next big life killer. Christianity had a lot to do with both of us coming to terms.

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/13 - 08:52 am
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My greatest hope is that this

My greatest hope is that this church discussion will be about hope, love, forgiveness, and healing. If not then we are going in the wrong direction.

Humble Angela
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Humble Angela 07/16/13 - 08:55 am
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I agree, Biz...but hope in
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I agree, Biz...but hope in one hand and..............

I had HOPED that there wouldn't be riots and looting too.

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 10:05 am
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Well Bizkit I hope the church

Well Bizkit I hope the church would allow you in it to talk about problems or whatever you want if not they are wrong . I will be the first to say that and Seenit I can't answer that I would hope they would have talks for that as well its just as important

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 10:07 am
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And by the way I didn't

And by the way I didn't assume, but when it happens to you 4 times in a week its kind of funny and its that blind eye that dosent fix anything

Bizkit
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Bizkit 07/16/13 - 10:20 am
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Well Big I am not naïve to

Well Big I am not naïve to believe that it doesn't happen either-shameful as it is. I've been welcomed to black churches before too so I wouldn't expect any difference this time. I can't help the past but we can move forward. I remember back in the late 60's early 70s a black friend of mine would visit my parents home and I his home. We were both welcomed, yet whenever his grandmother or my grandmother were home-then both spoke up about what is that white boy or black boy doing here. Now I paid no mind to that and neither did he. Now my kids have no such experiences or comparisons to make and they've dated and have friends with all ethnicities. Things are getting better every generation.

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 11:45 am
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Yes Biz the same with my kids

Yes Biz the same with my kids and I hope they continue to pass it along. I notice with my travels that we are all the same. We basically have some the same hope and dreams for our families it is just fear of the unknown that always try to wiggle its way up front. I personally would love to get together with any posters on here to show unity even though we are different and don't agree on every topic on here.

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internationallyunknown 07/16/13 - 11:56 am
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? for the believers

Why can't there be an agreement amongst the belovers of Christ, if we all serve the same God?

Fiat_Lux
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Fiat_Lux 07/16/13 - 12:29 pm
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The genuine hypocrisy of all this is stunning

If the meeting were being held to discuss and protest the murder of millions of unborn African-American babies, it would make this church vulnerable to a federal lawsuit or the loss of their tax exempt status for actively supporting a supposedly political opinion.

There's some serious moral confusion going on. The compass doesn't have a true north.

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myfather15 07/16/13 - 12:30 pm
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I don't recall people having

I don't recall people having a "Discussion of Simpson verdict" when O.J. Simpson was acquitted of killing 2 white people; when everyone knew he was guilty.

After O.J. had the gall to write a book about "How he would have done it, IF he would have", I still didn't see people calling for his federal prosecution!! Silence is EXACTLY what we heard from the majority of black leaders, including Sharpton and Jackson!!

myfather15
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myfather15 07/16/13 - 12:33 pm
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Until the black commuinty

Until the black commuinty starts addressing THEIR problems, and not the problems white folks cause them; this will never get better!! They need to make leaders like Allen West, Herman Cain, J.C. Watts and Michael Steele their heros; instead of the race pimps Sharpton and Jackson!!

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 01:06 pm
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Myfather testy are we

Myfather testy are we

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GnipGnop 07/16/13 - 01:42 pm
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I will tell you this from MY exeriences...

I have seen blacks use fear to intimidate whites. I think the hand might have been overplayed. I think you are going to see more shootings like this. Zimmerman made some bad choices but the reality of it is this...if someone is following you should run away, call 911, even walk up to someone's door and knock. Never confront them. You never know what someone will do out of fear. Go look at the video (taken by the Sanford Police Department) when Zimmerman was asked to walk them through what happened. This guy wasn't just roughed up. He was beaten. He has a black eye, his nose is broken and he has 2 buterfly bandages on the back of his head. Wonder why the prosecution didn't show this video at the trial? Because it backs up what zimmerman said. I would have more respect for this church if they said we are having a prayer service for Martin. That's not what this is. Just the title of the rally tells what it is. I wish the black leaders used the same fervor against other blacks that kill their young men at astronomical rates....one can wish.

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allhans 07/16/13 - 02:52 pm
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Respect must be earned...It

Respect must be earned...It cannot be legislated or gifted.
We all know that, we were taught so as children, so what IS the problem? Is it so hard to make just a little effort.

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corgimom 07/16/13 - 03:35 pm
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"Maybe it could be a

"Maybe it could be a discussion of how to teach young African-American males what to do to avoid potential conflict with law enforcement. Maybe there will be a discussion of how to not look suspicious and avoid potential profiling."

Oh, please. George Zimmerman wasn't law enforcement. And "how not to look suspicious"? Hey, how about dress like a decent person and not like a thug or a drug dealer, for starters?

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/13 - 03:37 pm
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"Myfather testy are we" No,

"Myfather testy are we"

No, TRUTHFUL!

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/13 - 03:40 pm
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"If the meeting were being

"If the meeting were being held to discuss and protest the murder of millions of unborn African-American babies, it would make this church vulnerable to a federal lawsuit or the loss of their tax exempt status for actively supporting a supposedly political opinion. "

Wow, thousands of churches across the US talk about abortion all the time, and they don't get sued or lose their tax exempt status. Wonder how that is.

Thousands of churches also talk about politicians and tell people who to vote for- and that SHOULD be the basis for lawsuits.

corgimom
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corgimom 07/16/13 - 03:42 pm
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Bigj, let me deliver a news

Bigj, let me deliver a news flash to you.

Speaking as a white female, discrimination is not limited to blacks.

I have been discriminated against for being white, where is your concern for that?

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 04:24 pm
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I have concern for that just

I have concern for that just because I make appoint on one thing doesn't mean I mean the same for everyone. But truthfully who is really concern because some guys on the street or in the store look at you funny just ignore them and carry on about your business. Let me know when its a position of power situation that you just cant ignore or walk away from. Also just to help some of you out I know you mean well when you start to tell us about that famous black friend I would think they would appreciate just being your friend like everyone else. I myself just have friends all colors it doesn't matter I don't classify each one. So you lose your audience once you start off like thatss your lesson for today. Your welcome

myfather15
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myfather15 07/16/13 - 04:32 pm
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I want to make something

I want to make something clear! I know the black community DOES address the problem of black on black crime, that's very true!! I've actually been to a couple of these meetings. The problem is, you might see 30-50 people at most of the meetings and those are the ones who truly care and want CHANGE!!

But when you have Race Pimps Sharpton and Jackson involved, they get 100's of thousands to line the streets. Why not the same amount for the black on black crime meetings? Why do they not go after black on black so AGGRESSIVELY?? Because that would NOT help their PERSONAL STRIVE for POWER, thats why!! They NEED the Country divided!! It's the only way for them to stay relevent!!!

bigj706
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bigj706 07/16/13 - 04:46 pm
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Well myfather you might have

Well myfather you might have a point there , but appreciate you do acknowledge not everyone just sits on their butts complaining or watching we do want change I will be the first to say it. I would like to say why can't we all go for this change instead of peeping out your window mentality and complaining from afar. Lets have a everybody meeting its everybody community last time I checked lets do it.

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Bizkit 07/16/13 - 05:35 pm
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BigJ I agree with your 12:45

BigJ I agree with your 12:45 post-we are all just human beings with the same fears and dreams. If I was Trayvon's Dad I would be fighting just has hard for my son. What a honorable and great idea to offer to personally meet with posters to discuss issues. Trying to communicate with this dang box often gives misimpressions-in person you get that personality and connection that makes it real. Let's all agree to wear contact lenses that makes us all appear purple-that way that silly difference in skin pigment will be as obscure as it should be (just jokin'). Since all modern humans migrated out of Africa-we all have a common descent and are brothers-and we are all essentially African-american just we all took a different path to get here. It's a sad story all told for all sides. We are all part of the human race with little genetic differences-seems odd history is full of war and rage over little difference in skin color, language, and heritage.

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JggrNAUT 07/17/13 - 07:18 am
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Interesting

It is interesting in these posts how the issues of the black community are discussed by those obviously not within that community. I have to agree with you BigJ. You can never ever know until you've lived it.

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Fiat_Lux 07/17/13 - 09:37 am
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@JggrNAUT

There are plenty of ways and places right here in Augusta, GA including Fort Gordon, that white people can get the full experience of being dissed and discriminated against by blacks with whom they work and cavort.

Black people in places where I have worked always, always hang together, take up for each other and cover for each other, always, and when questioned, rationalize it as racial solidarity against "the man", ie, white or Uncle Tom bosses.

I was told by the eyewitness of the crime about a black employee who stole money from a patient at EAMC, an elderly black patient no less. This eyewitness refused to report the theft even though she strongly disapproved of it, even knowing this person regularly stole from patients and other employees, and even was widely known to be a thief. When I asked why this witnessed theft wasn't reported, the stunning response was, "Well, I couldn't do that to another black person." I was speechless, not just at such moral, ethical and professional perversity, but at how naive I had been.

I have never seen a white person do something like that based on race, not once ever. Fear of reprisal, friendship or family connections, yes, but never simply because the criminal was white.

JggrNAUT
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JggrNAUT 07/17/13 - 07:37 pm
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Fiat: Congratulations!

You've experienced discrimination too! I say that any discrimination is wrong! I understand your position , because it's based on your personal experience and it cannot be refuted because it's YOURS from your point of view.

Just remember that others (of color or different gender) also have experiences that need the same level of respect. You are correct that there was a fault in morality and I cannot condone it. Not all blacks are that way. Not all whites are racist. NOT ALL ARE __________.

I hope you read that corgi mom. Because ,"Hey, how about dress like a decent person and not like a thug or a drug dealer, for starters?", in my opinion is judgmental and full of a bias.....

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